Dog breeders help please?? With Pics!

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I have a small JRT bitch that had a litter of 6 pups (one still born) last year. After the birth she didn't stop bleeding for nearly 9 weeks, we took her to the vet every week after the 3rd week but they couldn't find anything wrong with her after various tests and checks and said to leave her and she would hopefully just stop, which she did.
I asked the vet whether he saw a problem with breeding from her in the future and he said that he didn't think so.
So she came into season a few weeks ago and she was put to the stud dog on Wed, Fri & Sat last week, all went well with coverings and she stopped presenting to the dog on Mon, however today I have noticed a tiny amount of watery blood on her vulva again.
I have rung the vets and spoken to the vet she saw last time and he says that I should take her in to have another check up, but as she is otherwise normal in her behavour I am wondering whether it is worth taking her in just to pay £40 for him to say she is fine and to take her away and keep an eye on her it will probably clear up itself again!!
Has anyone else ever had a bitch like this and is the LIGHT beeding something to worry about???
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JRT Aunti with our lab Bentley
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Last years pups
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I'd keep a very careful eye on her.

My friend's bitch had to be packed after a mating, she was told to wait a year before mating her, she mated her on her next season and she and all pups but one are not with us any more
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Don't mean to scare you but surprised at the vet, maybe a second opinion?
 
As CC says definitely keep an eye on her. I wouldn't be so concerned at the showing of blood after mating, have known that to happen, what day of her season is she currently on?
Regarding the bleeding for 9 weeks after whelping, that would seriously concern me and I don't think I would mate her again if she were my bitch. She hadn't torn or anything on whelping, one of those pups does look to have a very butch head bless him (hope it is a him or I have mortally offended a bitch).
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I agree I would never breed from a bitch that bled like that after whelping
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not that I would breed at all, so suppose that defeats the the question
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I also think £40 is nothing for the sake of the dogs health
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As others have said, I wouldn't have mated her again personally. Not that I would have mated a pet jrt at all in the first place. Anyway that aside, I have seen bitches with very light bleeding after mating and whilst would keep an eye for any changes in the discharge I wouldn't be overly concerned. Given your bitches experience last year though I would take her to the vet as a precaution, it's better to be safe than sorry. Also in my very humble opinion you are over mating her, I wouldn't ever bother mating on three consecutive days. I only usually let them tie the once, if it seems a particularly short tie I will go again the following day....never had a bitch not catch, this may well be the cause of the light bleeding.
 
I have to ask, what does light breeding mean? Does it refer to not mating on each season? That it is <u>not</u> her x something litter in a row?
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Light breeding sounds a little strangely worded to me, either you breed your bitch, you don't breed your bitch or you tried breeding your bitch but it failed, what other options are there? Will it lead to only being lightly pregnant? Sorry, maybe it makes more sense to you who speaks your language on a daily basis.



By the sound of it, it was probably on the places where the placentas was connected to the uterine wall, that bled after the whelping. From what I understand, it is not that uncommon if it is a young bitch and her first litter, if it happens it is also not unusual to continue for a while and as long as it stops by itself and does not affect the bitch negatively while it continues, it usually does not happen again if the bitch is bred again later. I'm not prepared to say that I would not breed such a bitch again but I would definitely count it as something negative, on other hand this is not really relevant for your actual question.





About taking her to the vet or not, as far as I know, it is not unusual that they do have a discharge a few weeks into the pregnancy but if there is discharge after the mating or later during the pregnancy and it smells bad and/or contains pus and/or is mixed with blood, it can be signs of infection or some sort of damage.
I don't know whether or not your vet will end up sending you home again ''only'' telling you to keep an eye on her, I can only say that I would have taken my bitch to the vet if it had been her.

Good luck.
 
Thanks for your replys. I must state that she is not just a pet she is also a working dog. The bleeding after the first litter was only VERY LIGHT and there really was no reason at all for it, we had everything checked and aside from that she was in perfect health!!
She is on day 19 of her season and I should have put earlier that the first covering was unsuccessful, so she was in fact only covered twice.
I am actually not quibleing over the £40 it is just that she is well in herself and all the vet will do is look at her externally at this stage as it is only light/watery bleeding and hasn't gone on for days yet, I was just wondering if anyone had experience of this before.
Katielou_Houston they are not just your average pet JRT they are good working dogs and pets, that are all already booked as were the last litter that went nationwide, so if you don't have anything to say of any help please refrain from commenting.
 
To be fair, they aren't being bred to work though are they? The first litter weren't docked so they aren't working puppies being bred to work.
They are average I'm afraid...jrts's are mongrels at the end of the day, they are hugely over bred and are one of the most common dogs to end up in rescue centres. Have a look at how many unwanted ones there are up for rehoming. People understandlably have a problem with and feel strongly about more of these puppies being bred. Surely you can understand Katies comment?
I'm pleased that they already have good homes waiting.
 
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To be fair, they aren't being bred to work though are they? The first litter weren't docked so they aren't working puppies being bred to work.
They are average I'm afraid...jrts's are mongrels at the end of the day, they are hugely over bred and are one of the most common dogs to end up in rescue centres. Have a look at how many unwanted ones there are up for rehoming. People understandlably have a problem with and feel strongly about more of these puppies being bred. Surely you can understand Katies comment?
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Agreed with this.

I can not abide people breeding for pets where there are 1000's or jrt in rescues.
And i don't care that you have homes waiting maybe you could have directed those homes to a rescue where there are plenty of jrt puppies?
 
Katie I did not post here to ask for your opinion on whether or not I should decide to breed from MY dog, I posted for some advice from those who care enough to give it, I am not affecting your life and I have been responsible in finding them ALL good homes, so if you would kindly not sit in judgement of someone that you don't even know and go and give your advice to someone who wants it.

Murphysminder thanks for the reply on the original subject!!, what experience do you have of bitches bleeding after mating??
 
In slight defence, even though I wouldn't be breeding the dog again - if the breeder has homes for all the dogs - then surely its a null point?

Those homes may not want rescue dogs - therefore negating your comment regarding rehoming one of those rather than buying one. Also with the snobbery of some rescues you can understand why some people would rather buy!!!
 
Im staying out of the mongrel ethics breeding discussion.

I have to say that the vet is probably the last person to ask about breeding! They are good for sorting out problems (eg c-sections!) but they really dont know much about the preparation and ethics of breeding TBH - thats just from my experience.

I think anyone who has had similar problems with a bitch with their first litter should not breed a second time from that bitch. She might be fine, or she might not even make it through the pregnancy. It takes an awful lot out of the bitch and if she has a history of complications with mating and whelping it is irresponsible to put her through the ordeal again. Presumably you bred the first litter to keep a pup for yourself anyway (i hope so!!!) so she has already given you what you wanted and owes you nothing.

I also see from the pictures that the pups were born May/June time. You have not given the bitch anywhere near enough time to recover from having the pups, even if she'd had them with no problems. She looks to have had a big litter also, its really not fair or ethical (according to the majority of breed clubs in the country) to have put her in whelp again.

I hope for her sake that everything goes ok, but i feel you have been incredibly unfair to the bitch and somewhat foolish. Im sure you will take offense at my post, but you wanted opinions from people and that is mine. If she was my bitch i would be taking her to the vet in the morning for the mismate jab, and try again in a years time if you really want pups again from her, but preferably have her spayed.
 
Yes agreed Una makes a very good point, I hadn't noticed the dates, under 12 months between matings is very much frowned upon by the majority of breed clubs. Though I understand Simon this wasn't the original point of your post, people here are only trying to help enlighten you on what is and isnt deemed 'irresponsible breeding' especially given the bitch has had previous issues. I hope you don't take too much offense by it.
 
As predicted you know I have to add on.....just because all puppies have homes (it's never exactly hard to find homes for pups)
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that does not make a responsible breeder.....health testing, and offering life time back up, and finding responsible homes......... however does!

Ps Im not really bothered if my opinion is not wanted (same goes for Katie Lou)..open forum and all that
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Back to the OP, I still would not have bred after the 9 week bleed, and nor would I have bred her so soon as suggested, im not a vet or a breeder, but have pleny of experience of whelping and reproduction of the dog
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Ignore Katie who seems to think everyone wants her royal opinion!

Would take dog to vet if it continues and insist on an answer. But wouldnt worry until its been a few days at least! xxxx
 
What is wrong with Katies opinion
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I doubt most people want most opinions on her....but basically thats a bit tough
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I can think of losts of things peope want Katies opinion on.....one being raw feeding, amongst others.
 
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And crate training...oh and, er, recall....anyhoo, not to muddy the water or anything...

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Stp editing then pretending u have not
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you are making me look twice
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