Donations on Facebook to buy a girl a horse...

Have any of you actually followed the story? They did not ask for money the girl said it as an idea and the supporters then took it on themselves and said let's give it a try. She does not have her own horses! I support cng and what they tried to do for this girl was truely amazing! For grown people to have threatened the girl disgusts me! Cng's reputation will not be hurt as they have true supporters and beautiful horses! When the time comes for me to buy, that is where I will be going as I know they do an amazing job. For you all to criticise what they're doing, take a moment to think that if you were the one they were doing this for I doubt you would be saying the same things. I know what it feels like to loose the horse that you have an unbreakable bond with and if you haven't followed the story from day one then you shouldn't judge with this hurtful comments! CNG I SUPPORT YOU ALL THE WAY!
 
I hope you have all read the status on fb now. The police have been involved and I hope to god its got nothing to do with you lot on here! But after reading some disgusting and vile comments nothing would surprise me.
 
For the hateful bunch of vile bitches on here - i seriously hope you get back what you all deserve!

Cng Equine
1 hour ago ·
Paiz and Duchess !!
This started out to be just a gesture to help them stay together and has now turned into an absolute nightmare for ourselves and Paiz.
I have to stop it here, Paiz has had people turn up to her horse last night and this has made her ill. Ourselves have received a real " bashing " and have been slated everywhere, people obviously don't know the full story.
There are specific posts from a school girl whom has made serious ( totally none founded ) allegations personally about us and our family.
Paiz has been threatened and we have tried to " rise " above it but we are human and cannot put ourselves in danger.
I don't want to let anyone down who have supported us however I cannot carry on.
For all that have donated I am happy to returned your donation if you can drop me a message, those who don't I will be donating it to charity, and will document this well.
I would also like suggestions of charities too.
Thank you so much to those who have supported us, you have helped get us this far.
Thank you
Claire
 
DragonSlayer said:
....getting back to is it moral to ask for such things...

Found this site, seems a lot of people are at it!

http://cyberbeg.com/

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There is someone on that list who wants money to pay off his bills, future wedding and travel expenses. I think it is nice that people wants to get married, but I've never understood why some people have weddings that costs more than they can afford.

And why am I not surprised to find someone with a private animal rescue on the list? Someone who has set up a horse rescue, but says that more people are dumping their horses, the costs have gone up, and she needs more money than what she gets from working a full time job. I understand that it must be heartbreaking, and I understand that it can't be easy if someone leaves a horse at your gate, but still, if you can not afford to feed and take care of more horses than the ones you've already got, then do whatever you can to not take in any more horses.

If a person takes on more horses than they can afford to buy/keep whatever, then regardless if they do it because they think that they're rescuing a horse or if they do it because they think that they've bonded with a horse, in my opinion, that usually doesn't ends well for the horses involved.
 
FinnishLapphund said:
Gothenburg Horse Show does, every year the first prize in the raffle is a Swedish Warmblood.

And to give an example of the value of the rafflehorses, according to what I've read, 2013's rafflehorse was sold for something over £11000.
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Regardless of the rights or wrongs though - it's illegal to do this in the uk.
 
Carrots&Mints said:
I hope you have all read the status on fb now. The police have been involved and I hope to god its got nothing to do with you lot on here! But after reading some disgusting and vile comments nothing would surprise me.
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Yes the world is full of cynical internet trolls who just love nothing more then to flex there muscles online and be-little & bully others. I personally have been a victim of hateful bitches on facebook and I am glad to hear that CNG have got the Police involved after serious threats have been made towards the safety of this young lady & others. Is bloody disgusting !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
hannah12 said:
Have any of you actually followed the story? They did not ask for money the girl said it as an idea and the supporters then took it on themselves and said let's give it a try. She does not have her own horses! I support cng and what they tried to do for this girl was truely amazing! For grown people to have threatened the girl disgusts me! Cng's reputation will not be hurt as they have true supporters and beautiful horses! When the time comes for me to buy, that is where I will be going as I know they do an amazing job. For you all to criticise what they're doing, take a moment to think that if you were the one they were doing this for I doubt you would be saying the same things. I know what it feels like to loose the horse that you have an unbreakable bond with and if you haven't followed the story from day one then you shouldn't judge with this hurtful comments! CNG I SUPPORT YOU ALL THE WAY!
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What an odd post. CNG are dealers, and whilst its great that you rate them enough to 'support' them I don't get the adultorational nature of that support. They buy and sell horses.

I think their involvement in this will hurt their reputation actually.As iit's not something a professional organisation would touch with a barge pole.
 
Having read all the comments on here, I really don't understand why people are getting so angry about it all. It's not your money or your concern and if people have gone to the trouble of turning up and threatening this girl, then that is very, very sad.

Although I do agree that the girl needs to make sure she has provisions in place to ensure she can pay for the upkeep of her horse, people are donating their own money knowingly so why all the fuss? They haven't been tricked into it.

I am sure it was a well meaning gesture to begin with which has been very tainted, a real shame.
 
I don't know if I've missed something but I don't see the massive deal about this, and why on earth people are making threats over it?!

Sure it is unusual, and I did immediately think the dealer should drop the price to the minimum possible, but it is up to individuals what they give money to.

The girl has a job, she works on a yard, I keep two horses on A LOT less than this. Horses are not only for the rich, I thought we had established this.

The dealer is still a business, they are not going to give her the horse I understand that, and they did drop the price from 2500 to 1800 I believe. Seems more reasonable I guess.

The dealer obviously feels from knowing the girl that she is capable of caring for a horse. I saw something about a loan gone wrong, I wonder when this was and considering this is a young girl, would it be possible that she'll be different now anyway?

I do realise the dealer deletes all bad stuff and I do think that is a bit silly, and also obvious as they talk of all the negative and even threatening comments and I see nothing but support - that's their prerogative though.
 
Carrots&Mints said:
I hope you have all read the status on fb now. The police have been involved and I hope to god its got nothing to do with you lot on here! But after reading some disgusting and vile comments nothing would surprise me.
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Ah the joys of fb. I love it when the old 'police involved' card is played.

There is a very good post made by someone called claire that cng have posted.

Sums up the situation perfectly.
 
hannah12 said:
Have any of you actually followed the story? They did not ask for money the girl said it as an idea and the supporters then took it on themselves and said let's give it a try.
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If she said it as an idea how is that not asking for money?

When the supporters took it on themselves she should have said thank you for trying to help but I don't think this is the right way of going about this. I shall see if I can come to a payment arrangement with my boss.
 
The correct way to deal with this situation is to advise The Office of Fair Trading and The Charities Commission. On a local level the dealers actions should also be passed to Trading Standards.

The collection of money from the public is regulated by various Acts, ie, The Street Collection Act, The Gambling Act and The Pedlars Act. The latter is governed by the Police.
 
The police are involved and the fact people turned up at her mums house last night while she was out and upset and frightened her mum is awful i thought you were all caring and worried about the horses etc... no you just bullies and should be ashamed of your selves!
 
amymay said:
Which is possibly why the police are allegedly involved....
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I wouldn't hold your breath, The Pedlars Act is an ancient piece of legislation and the police are very reluctant to enforce it. With the ever increasing shared services regime many local authorities are adding the Act to their workload.
 
Do you have proof that it was people from this forum that went to the house? If not I suggest you moderate your own posts for fear of libel.
Haven't seen the facebook stuff so no idea how it started but perhaps the messages to take from this are:
1) Don't even joke about asking for donations to buy something for yourself in case someone takes it seriously & it all gets out of hand.
2) If someone offers to start a collection like this just state very clearly that it's awfully kind, but really you don't want it to happen - I realise it may be necessary to do it several times as on facebook things do have a tendency to get out of hand.
3) If you don't want to be talked about on public forums like this don't ask/let anyone else ask for money to buy a horse because that is just asking for trouble.
I understand the girl involved is young and her judgement in these matters is not fully formed but the dealer is presumably an experienced adult & should have stamped on the whole business immediately.
 
I love that people have to message to get their money back, i would imagine that most were made by paypal which is easily reversed with a couple of clicks of a mouse!
 
I know who it was that went im not saying you personallywent what im saying is a forum like this is fuelling the fire and i know that if it was me in this situation id be terrified maybe she shouldnt have let the donation thing go as far as it did but shes only young and probably didnt expect it to pan out like this. I think enough is enough yes shes upset people but now that people are turning up at family homes i think you may agree this is getting out of hand?
 
Like I said the dealer is presumably an experienced adult who should have shut the whole business down straight away. Hopefully the girl has learnt an important lesson in life & won't make the same mistake again.
 
D_Cheadle87 said:
The police are involved and the fact people turned up at her mums house last night while she was out and upset and frightened her mum is awful i thought you were all caring and worried about the horses etc... no you just bullies and should be ashamed of your selves!
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Ashamed for what? Having an opinion on something that is morally incorrect? I'm not being funny but for people to turn up at her mums house means that they are probably people that physically know her, how else would they know the address (that is of course if this actually happened and not just a story).

This thread started out as quite a thought provoking one with some good points brought up, it was only when somebody disagreed with the majority that the insults started and were very much one sided. So perhaps one needs to look elsewhere at who should be ashamed of themselves, it certainly isn't the majority on here. Nobody has made any threats of any kind on here towards Paiz or the dealers.

It it was a silly idea that has gotten out of hand and should have been squashed days ago or should not have been made so public.
 
Carrots&Mints said:
I hope you have all read the status on fb now. The police have been involved and I hope to god its got nothing to do with you lot on here! But after reading some disgusting and vile comments nothing would surprise me.
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rainycali said:
For the hateful bunch of vile bitches on here - i seriously hope you get back what you all deserve!

Cng Equine
1 hour ago ·
Paiz and Duchess !!
This started out to be just a gesture to help them stay together and has now turned into an absolute nightmare for ourselves and Paiz.
I have to stop it here, Paiz has had people turn up to her horse last night and this has made her ill. Ourselves have received a real " bashing " and have been slated everywhere, people obviously don't know the full story.
There are specific posts from a school girl whom has made serious ( totally none founded ) allegations personally about us and our family.
Paiz has been threatened and we have tried to " rise " above it but we are human and cannot put ourselves in danger.
I don't want to let anyone down who have supported us however I cannot carry on.
For all that have donated I am happy to returned your donation if you can drop me a message, those who don't I will be donating it to charity, and will document this well.
I would also like suggestions of charities too.
Thank you so much to those who have supported us, you have helped get us this far.
Thank you
Claire
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I'm quite sure that not every person interested in horses that also have a Facebook account, is a member on HHO, so I would not presume that whoever(/which ever persons) it is that the two of you think have stepped over the line, has to be a HHO:er.

Also, the worst comments that I've read on this thread, was written by two new members (Join Date: Nov 2013) called Ullybully/UllyBully (spelling ?), but all their replies seems to have been removed from the thread, and TheRealWorld, who seems to have been banned, but the replies have not been removed, besides, they already seem to have broken the rules about banning, and are back under the new user name In The Real World. Anyhow, I fail to see how that makes HHO a place full of hateful vile bitches.

As for the police becoming involved, that could mean anything. E.g. only because someone have reported something to the police, it doesn't mean that someone has to have done something that the police will actually be interested in.
 
I too am another who's not buying the "going round to the house story". If it did happen then I am very sorry for the girl as it must have been horrible.

But if the blame is trying to be pinned on a HHO user then I am sorry but that's laughable. How was the address found out for a start?! I know nowadays it's a lot easier than it was but I seriously doubt someone from this forum has gone round to the girls house.
 
Oh no

Weez all haters :(

I will be interested to see if this makes the HHO mag top 5 most talked about threads this week :D
 
natalie44 said:
AT LAST SOMEONE WITH ACUTUAL FACTS!!!!!!!!!! its dsigusting and shameful on the whole of the horse community that 2 people can take a personal vendetta against a YOUNG girl and make it into this, the rest i suspect is hearsay from the sad bitches who clearly have nothing better to do with their time. Get a life and go bully someone else.
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Nobody on this thread has bullied anybody, again as I said before it was an Opinion, please read my last post about insults. Please refrain from posting insults yourself unless you have something constructive to add to the debate.

A fair few new members posting on this........
 
First off, I accept this girl didn't actually ask for the fund herself, and I think that Claire is guilty of a gross error of judgement over what probably started out as a fantasy, and it could potentially cause untold damage to her business, which she probably now realises.

I think it's a bit unfair in principle to assume if you can't afford to buy a horse you can't afford to keep it - when my mare died a couple of years ago there was a doubt as to whether the insurance would pay up for her death as I didn't want a post mortem, and without the settlement I would have had to give up horse ownership even though I'd had no problem with day to day upkeep, but it all worked out for me.


What I do take issue with is a bunch of "supporters" who have joined simply to have a go at people who are rightly concerned about the welfare of this horse, and the dealer's reputation. There have been accusations thrown about accusing people of jealousy and bitterness, and this is really making me angry - we all work hard for our horses, and most of us a justifiably proud to say we did it all on our own. I'm a great believer in the concept of appreciating things that you've worked for more than if things are handed to you on a plate, something which appears to be sadly lacking in the youth of today, with their "I want it and I want it NOW" attitude.

I'm not saying that this girl wouldn't be upset if the horse were sold out from under her nose (how many of us cried for a week when our favourite riding school pony got sold?), but if she can't handle that she's in the wrong job. If you get so attached to a horse your whole life would be ruined if it were sold, why work for a dealer?
 
D_Cheadle87 said:
The police are involved and the fact people turned up at her mums house last night while she was out and upset and frightened her mum is awful i thought you were all caring and worried about the horses etc... no you just bullies and should be ashamed of your selves!
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You're right. That is absolutely appalling.
 
Wow - this has been some thread

Well, to put my tuppence worth in, as its been quite thought provoking.... here goes:

Morally this was a crazy situation which really should have been stopped from growing legs and running with the idea that people should chip in to buy this girl a horse - especially as it seems she has a couple already. Whilst I understand that you can gain a huge bond straight away with a horse (I have, and am saving to buy him......although he's also currently on full loan to me at the min), if you can afford it, you can't have it ...... Or you make necessary amendments to your life in order to get said horse

However, I can understand the girl getting carried away with the idea if people are willing to throw money in the pot in order to buy horse for her - I can't imagine alot of people not getting carried away initially - I would, but then would reassess situation and more than likely decline (but then I'm like a moral compass :/ lol ). However it should really have been stopped by the dealer, as presumably business minded people. Unfortunately this situation can only damage their reputation and should never ever have been seen to be involved in agreeing with taking people donations. If they felt that strongly about their employees bond with said horse, they should have full loaned it and made some sort of agreement for said pony to be paid off, at the most. At the same time, in life we can't always get what we want and that's a hard lesson that this girl needs to learn also

With regards to the "haters" - the only evidence I've seen of this has been the newbies spouting nonsense and clearly trying to rile up the situation. IF its true that people have turned up to the girls house and horse, then the chances are it is people that know her, know where she lives etc etc and cannot be apportioned to HHO users who, whilst may have strong opinions on here, wouldn't jump in their cars, on horseback or any other means to head across from their lives to have a face to face showdown over something which has been thought provoking

Morally it was wrong to accept donations, but at the end of the day if people are that readily available to part with their money for what is essentially just a luxury, then so be it......
 
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