Donations on Facebook to buy a girl a horse...

Not sure if I'm even allowed to post right now as apparently the powers that be deemed my last post to be defamatory (go figure!) and I've never been in trouble on the forum before. Anyone else get a slapped wrist from admin?
 
CrazyCobLady said:
Ruddy hell. Completely forgot.
-Flicks kettle on -

Any sugars?
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Just milk ta, nice and strong though....

GG2B said:
Not sure if I'm even allowed to post right now as apparently the powers that be deemed my last post to be defamatory (go figure!) and I've never been in trouble on the forum before. Anyone else get a slapped wrist from admin?
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Really? Not been told off in AGES, I guess someone took offence to what you posted and reported it... :(
 
Anglebracket said:
These are the reasons why I would not ask for public donations for my next horse purchase. However, I have no no strong feelings against someone else doing it. I'd get upset if someone made up a sick child to extract money from others but this is not the case here.

I guess that the rules I apply to my own conduct are stricter than the ones I use to judge others.
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That's OK, we are all different and fine for you to feel this way. It was hoped the thread would be all about discussing the issue, but sadly it wasn't to be.... :(
 
i do feel a bit sorry for this girl, but if you are going too do something like this, then there have too be rules in place first, other wise its all going to look like a scam, rules as to what happens to the money if it doesnt reach the amount needed to purchase this horse, what happens to the money if the whole thing goes t!ts upwards and the dealer pulls out !
 
Pidgeon said:
Reminds me somewhat of the Clywd Davies saga. If you read everything the only ones being nasty are the newcomers/oldies who are sticking up for the dealer and the girl the HHO gang are quite rightly expressing their opinion on this matter. They can not post on the cng equine facebook page as negative comments are deleted as is the case in so many businesses so that people only see good about the person or business. It is in my opinion very flawed as is in part to blame for the blinkered views of the followers. IMO and yes I am allowed one last time I looked, is that the dealer was woefully remiss in what she has actively encouraged, albeit she didn't say to set a fund up but the inference was there. Unfortunately she did not anticipate this backlash as to be honest the people stating its the girls dream come true need to wake up and smell the roses, she already has horses whether her own or loaned so how come its a dream to own this particular horse? Dealer is selling it to her for the advertised price hence would have been making a nice profit on the deal. What she should have done was offer the horse to the girl and deduct out of her wages if she was that concerned about the horse.
This whole business leaves a very sour taste and I am appalled at the bigoted and nasty comments the followers are posting on here and on facebook. Whatever happened to having a good old fashioned discussion without all the hatred coming out so quickly, ho hum can't educate the blinded I suppose.
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Mmmm... Coffee & Mars bars!! 😋
 
Fii said:
i do feel a bit sorry for this girl, but if you are going too do something like this, then there have too be rules in place first, other wise its all going to look like a scam, rules as to what happens to the money if it doesnt reach the amount needed to purchase this horse, what happens to the money if the whole thing goes t!ts upwards and the dealer pulls out !
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I do to a certain extent but it was very naive on both the girls part (although one can put that down to her age) and the dealers - who should have actually known better. I vet much doubt that when they set the whole thing up they didn't expect it to explode so much but it did and unfortunately when dealing with a somewhat Emotive subject you have to be prepared for the consequences.

There has been a lot of dirt thrown around, which I hope is hearsay, about loan horses arriving back to their owners in less that ideal states but again when somebody is willing to go so out there in the public eye, I think one needs to be beyond squeaky clean and ensure that no dirt is likely to be brought up.

i do think to start with it was aimed at being a genuinely nice thing to do, albeit, IMO morally incorrect, naive, silly and childish and in light of everything the dealers have acted quite sensibly to the backlash but I think it's too little too late.

i really do hope they issue the money to a needing charity rather tha continue to use it to fund a girls dream. There are so many charities that desperately need that money that many of the donors would have bypassed that I hope a good thing can come out of situation that was less than ideal and everybody involved learns an important lesson while dealing with live animals as a business.
 
Wow, what a thread!! I just wanted to add that I think you are all far from a bunch of vile bitches/witches,whatever has been said. Those brand new members who seem to be just looking for scrap, shame on you. I
have had some great help & fantastic support from the members of this group, and I know i'm not the only one that has found comfort from the words written by members. I've also had some very thoughtful private messages. I thank you all for your kind words.

I've been brought up to save for what i want, if you can't buy it you can't have it. No begging, certainly no setup to accept donations from strangers!!! If its not out of your own pocket it will never be truly yours.
 
henmother said:
Those brand new members who seem to be just looking for scrap, shame on you.
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I think to be fair to them they were only attempting to defend a person who they thought was not doing anything wrong - the same with the dealers.

It is interesting reading the fb page though, where many comments question how much love for the horse we actually have. They also consider us jealous and nasty.

Funny really, considering the reasons why so many of us are opposed to this sort of venture.
 
Reevesy said:
Can you tell Im new!! 
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Hello and welcome! And don't worry, it isn't just newbies that makes mistakes when they post, at least, I know that I still make mistakes now and then when I post. But if you realise it in time, you have 15 minutes on you to Edit and change your reply, e.g. correct a spelling mistake, write an Edited To Add, say Oops wrong quote etc.

I really have nothing against newbies in general, as The wife said, we all have to start off as new posters once. To me, it all depends on how the newbie behaves, and when they only seems to have became members in order to behave as this

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I'm inclined to presume that they're only here to cause trouble.
 
From reading this thread, I can get it was the idea of followers of CNG to donate, but as soon as this was suggested, the groom & dealer should have politely refused. If a follower, as suggested, had wanted to just turn up & pay for the horse for the groom with their own money, then that is there perogative. Not what I'd do, but we are all different. In no way should have an account been set up to receive 'donations', they are not a registered charity so it is begging. Whilst the groom may have been immature enough to not realise the implications, any adults involved should have & stopped it before any monies had been given & very definately not set up an account to receive them.

If the dealer truly wanted the girl to take the horse, she should have loaned her whilst she paid off the at cost price. As others have said, if she can afford to keep the horse, buy rugs etc, that money could have been put towards buying her every week until paid off. My first horse I took on loan, on a low wage. After 2 years I asked the owner if I could buy her & we agreed I would take over her full costs (about same as loan agreement) & pay her a set amount each week from my wages until I'd paid in full. Then she would transfer her registration / ownership over to me. I didn't expect anyone else to give a penny.

A very valid point was made that if you work at a dealers then you must learn to maintain a little distance from your charges, they are not yours (unless you can afford to buy one). I breed foals for other people to enjoy. Everyone I've loved dearly, but there has been that tiny bit where you remind yourself you are their first, temporary carer until their owner takes them away to embark on the next stage of their lives. The one I bred for myself to keep for life I gave my heart to totally. She has been treated no differently, no special attention, the only difference is in my head. I will keep breeding foals for people, & enjoy every moment of their lives with friends (we are in regular contact with our owners, who are all or have become friends), but I know I am a temporary guardian to bring them on when young, they will be owned & deeply loved by another.

As for the rudeness, IMHO the regular members have been restrained (no doubt why they haven't been banned), it is the new members, who are obviously very closely connected to the dealer & groom who have been rude & should be concerned re libel. I'm a member on here, does that mean that I am also assumed to have issued death threats / upset mum / gone round to the house? Be very careful who you accuse publically of doing what, I'm very happy to chat with the Police, as I am sure are all other HHOs.
 
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Ahh.. I only signed up to this to get advice on mud fever lol.. I stumbled across this thread and had a flick through it as id seen a few things on FB, Ive had no reason to comment as its none of my business. :)
I saw a conversation had started about Cappachino and Mars bars and had to comment. :oP
 
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