Dunne v Frost

[Shilasdair]

Did they put their name to it ?

It seems to me that there are only a few people in this debacle who have the courage to give their names, Frost being the key one.

 

[RachelFerd]

Good blog from Jo Davis. And a good result all in for shaking the sport into having to deal with these issues rather than continue to ignore them.

Much like Jo, in the 10 years I spent in racing I probably tolerated far too much nonsense, and would have happily stood up and said I was tough enough and that others weren't. Over time I've come to realise that was naivety on my part and that ignoring the problem continues to exacerbate it.

I'm certainly not surprised to hear about valets kicking off. My experience of running charity races was always marred by valets treating our charity fundraising participants like dirt on the floor because they weren't getting paid to help them out. We had to bung them money.... not right!

 

[The Fuzzy Furry]

Minesadouble, a little flaw in that, even a year ago there were not seperate changing rooms at some tracks.
Yes, all now have them, but at a few, they are no bigger than a small cloakroom, not enough room for a few to change or have valets in too.

Even today, there are several that only have 1 shower for ladies, diabolical when there are ladies races run at those courses.

 

[Andie02]

Just to give some balance I have read this on my FB feed this morning from a female jockey

"
This is my own experience on racing!
I do not condone bullying of any sort!
The amount of things I’m reading about the weigh room and the way us female jockeys are treated is absolute crap!
All the boys and girls at some point will shout when adrenalines are high and we’re trying to get where we need to! The senior jockeys usually have words with the less experienced to help them and tell them what they have done wrong and advice on how to do it in the future!
I have been shouted at and I have shouted at others when out on the course! When I go back in we’re all friends again and get on unless it was a dicition that could have been dangerous then usually it will be discussed then that’s it over!
All the valets I have ever met have been absolute legends! Will make sure your right with everything you need and treat you with respect and kindness!
Every course has a ladies changing room!
Behind the scenes of racing we have the ijf (injured jockeys fund) if we need a councillor, physio, doctor or rehab we get it straight away, we’re constantly asked about our well-being (male and female)
Racing to me is a big family!
I am absolutely sick of reading the lies in the media stating how us women are afraid to talk and how we are bullied on a daily basis by our colleagues!
Don’t believe everything you read listen to the people who are actually in it!"

Taken from Jo Davis Blog

We want to be accepted when we are young, the girls I have spoken to about the Bryony situation say "its just Robbie, unless you stand up to him that's what he does", fair play to them, however why should they??

I would rather believe this version !

 

[ihatework]

Taken from Jo Davis Blog

We want to be accepted when we are young, the girls I have spoken to about the Bryony situation say "its just Robbie, unless you stand up to him that's what he does", fair play to them, however why should they??

I would rather believe this version !

And that’s probably the crux of it isn’t it. Most of the time it’s just little comments here and there. Maybe made by Robbie. Maybe not called out by others. Often similar comments by others. Here and there a little bit of harmless banter.

But at some point those lines get blurred. As nothing is said it’s inherently ‘accepted’.

Then one day one of the worst offenders oversteps the mark and gets called out. Is so self unaware he goes on the attack. His mates are feeling a combination of shock, confusion and guilt. They know full well it could easily have been them.

And there you have it. Robbie was the one that took it far enough that the whole culture unravels.

 

[minesadouble]

Name?

Ali Johnson.

 

[Rowreach]

Ali Johnson.

Married to one of the old guard.

 

[bonny]

Married to one of the old guard.

It’s all just depressing

 

[Andie02]

Just to give some balance I have read this on my FB feed this morning from a female jockey

"
This is my own experience on racing!
I do not condone bullying of any sort!
The amount of things I’m reading about the weigh room and the way us female jockeys are treated is absolute crap!
All the boys and girls at some point will shout when adrenalines are high and we’re trying to get where we need to! The senior jockeys usually have words with the less experienced to help them and tell them what they have done wrong and advice on how to do it in the future!
I have been shouted at and I have shouted at others when out on the course! When I go back in we’re all friends again and get on unless it was a dicition that could have been dangerous then usually it will be discussed then that’s it over!
All the valets I have ever met have been absolute legends! Will make sure your right with everything you need and treat you with respect and kindness!
Every course has a ladies changing room!
Behind the scenes of racing we have the ijf (injured jockeys fund) if we need a councillor, physio, doctor or rehab we get it straight away, we’re constantly asked about our well-being (male and female)
Racing to me is a big family!
I am absolutely sick of reading the lies in the media stating how us women are afraid to talk and how we are bullied on a daily basis by our colleagues!
Don’t believe everything you read listen to the people who are actually in it!"

Says it all doesn't it ..........stuff you Bryony, we're all right, he isn't bothering us. Talk about blinkered......pardon the pun !

So according to this account Bryony is lying !

 

[Rowreach]

Good blog from Jo Davis. And a good result all in for shaking the sport into having to deal with these issues rather than continue to ignore them.

Much like Jo, in the 10 years I spent in racing I probably tolerated far too much nonsense, and would have happily stood up and said I was tough enough and that others weren't. Over time I've come to realise that was naivety on my part and that ignoring the problem continues to exacerbate it.

I'm certainly not surprised to hear about valets kicking off. My experience of running charity races was always marred by valets treating our charity fundraising participants like dirt on the floor because they weren't getting paid to help them out. We had to bung them money.... not right!

I'm so glad you posted this. ime many women simply put up with it because it was "as it ever was", but with hindsight would wonder why the hell they did so. Is it "tough" to put up with it or "tougher" to actually stand up against these people?

 

[splashgirl45]

Just to give some balance I have read this on my FB feed this morning from a female jockey

"
This is my own experience on racing!
I do not condone bullying of any sort!
The amount of things I’m reading about the weigh room and the way us female jockeys are treated is absolute crap!
All the boys and girls at some point will shout when adrenalines are high and we’re trying to get where we need to! The senior jockeys usually have words with the less experienced to help them and tell them what they have done wrong and advice on how to do it in the future!
I have been shouted at and I have shouted at others when out on the course! When I go back in we’re all friends again and get on unless it was a dicition that could have been dangerous then usually it will be discussed then that’s it over!
All the valets I have ever met have been absolute legends! Will make sure your right with everything you need and treat you with respect and kindness!
Every course has a ladies changing room!
Behind the scenes of racing we have the ijf (injured jockeys fund) if we need a councillor, physio, doctor or rehab we get it straight away, we’re constantly asked about our well-being (male and female)
Racing to me is a big family!
I am absolutely sick of reading the lies in the media stating how us women are afraid to talk and how we are bullied on a daily basis by our colleagues!
Don’t believe everything you read listen to the people who are actually in it!"

i have just seen the name, who on earth is she? i follow racing on the tv and have never heard of her. how much of a threat to the boys is she, and as she is married to one of them the men will watch how they talk to her. she is not worth listening to and i prefer the truth as per jo davis and bryony...

 

[Andie02]

I feel like donating a £1, just to say how disgusted I am, in the comments

As much as that ! Too generous

 

[Andie02]

Where are the *nod nod, wink wink, we're the ones who really know our stuff about the inside machinations of the racing world, just you wait til you hear the truth* anti Bryony Frost posters now?

Too funny TP and clearly its hit home !

 

[ester]

The amount of things I’m reading about the weigh room and the way us female jockeys are treated is absolute crap!
All the boys and girls at some point will shout when adrenalines are high and we’re trying to get where we need to! The senior jockeys usually have words with the less experienced to help them and tell them what they have done wrong and advice on how to do it in the future!
I have been shouted at and I have shouted at others when out on the course! When I go back in we’re all friends again and get on unless it was a dicition that could have been dangerous then usually it will be discussed then that’s it over!

Just don't shout at people, it's hardly the most effective form of communication is it ?‍. Why should shouting at people be ok?

 

[Andie02]

a good outcome but i am very disillusioned about the jockeys who stood up for dunne... i would like to know exactly how they justified his behaviour. i heard that richard johnson was one of them and i always respected him as a jockey but feel very differently now.... the other female jockeys who say they have had no problem are not winning races consistantly so were not given the sort of unwelcome attention that frost had....i hope she can continue to be successful and she has plenty of support as that must have been very difficult for her to go ahead and report him even though her dad said not to..

Not forgetting of course Tom Scu and the hmmm ...... significance with the 'nod nod wink wink anti Bryony, we know our stuff ', ..........
trying to look good, where the Scu's are concerned. Tom Scu should be supporting Bryony, how 2 faced is he !

 

[bonny]

I’ve been watching today’s racing and I’ve just turned it off. I just found I was watching and not caring who won or lost and then it all got a bit pointless. They really need to sort out the image of jump racing or I suspect others will be joining me.
I found myself hoping Lucinda Russell’s horse didn’t win at Cheltenham and just feeling depressed when he did. I don’t want to feel like this, I love racing but I’m seeing it in a different light and it’s putting me right off.

 

[splashgirl45]

why didnt you want her horse to win? surely not because of this thread

 

[Andie02]

There has just been an interview with trainer Neil King on Sky Sports Racing from Doncaster where Briony is riding today and tomorrow, he is fully supporting Briony.

 

[bonny]

why didnt you want her horse to win? surely not because of this thread

I guess it was, the whole stable I assume feel the same way as Elf, no doubt influenced by the Scudamore connection. It’s just sad really.

 

[Velcrobum]

A well written comment from the Editor of the Racing Post.

https://www.racingpost.com/news/dis...s-situation-to-fester-that-must-change/526308

 

[splashgirl45]

bonny, i find that quite sad... whatever elf etc think of the current situation i still support the stable as i like the insights into racing and hope elf continues to post .

just looked at ali johnsons results, no wonder she hasnt had any problems, she is no danger to anyone male or female...

 

[teapot]

Taken from Jo Davis Blog

We want to be accepted when we are young, the girls I have spoken to about the Bryony situation say "its just Robbie, unless you stand up to him that's what he does", fair play to them, however why should they??

I would rather believe this version !

'It's just Robbie' - fairly sure Met Officers were saying 'it's just Wayne' when Wayne Couzens was waving his knob around... Not comparing the two at all, but that attitude of oh it's just them rather than calling people out is why things never change.

 

[splashgirl45]

commadores jockey has just said a lot of the jockeys are upset about the description of the culture of the weighing room, he said it was tarring everyone with the same brush...if that is the case where was the support for bryony after dunnes behaviour, there was none and she was sent to coventry as they all closed ranks. none of them were brave enough to stand up and support bryony when his behaviour crossed the line

 

[Steerpike]

Itv just had an interview with the jpa and he still couldn't say Briony was bullied, he kept saying 'felt' bullied, he said he had tried to help but yet he hasn't spoken to her since the verdict nearly 24hrs later...

 

[Goldenstar]

Married to one of the old guard.

Ah .

 

[Goldenstar]

Itv just had an interview with the jpa and he still couldn't say Briony was bullied, he kept saying 'felt' bullied, he said he had tried to help but yet he hasn't spoken to her since the verdict nearly 24hrs later...

She’s in for a rough time .

 

[Steerpike]

Yes which just goes to show how much racing is in the dark ages.

 

[ycbm]

The senior jockeys usually have words with the less experienced to help them and tell them what they have done wrong and advice on how to do it in the future!

What happens if the issue is with a senior jockey?

I have been shouted at and I have shouted at others when out on the course! When I go back in we’re all friends again and get on unless it was a situation that could have been dangerous then usually it will be discussed then that’s it over!

Everyone agrees just to forget about dangerous situations instead of reporting them?

All the valets I have ever met have been absolute legends! Will make sure your right with everything you need and treat you with respect and kindness!

And yet yesterday one valet tweeted that a trainer who dared to complain about them was lucky to get all her tack back.

Racing to me is a big family!

Families are often extremely toxic and its not until an outsider points it out or you remove yourself from the family that you realise how dysfunctional it was.

I'm not saying that your experiences aren't absolutely how it was for you, but it clearly wasn't that way for Bryony.

 

[blodwyn1]

I think the presenters attitude has changed a bit today after the verdict. Especially the ex jockeys.

 

[splashgirl45]

well they were supporting bryony last weekend before the result... both ed and mick were for her so they havent changed,