Dunne v Frost
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Andie02
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Oh dear, he won't be riding at Cheltenham now, his ban is with immediate effect.
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Good
Smitty
Well-Known Member
EXACTLY: they were men?!!!
Shilasdair
Patting her thylacine
Thanks, Smitty!
Clearly I am becoming far too subtle in my daemonic old age.
ETA: I particularly liked watching the video of a certain Irish jockey where he says (and I paraphrase) that he didn't see the problem; couples always call each other the likes of 'f****** w****' at home. Let's all take a minute to feel sorry for whoever he's domestically abusing at home.
Edit 2: Just went to find the video - only to find it had been deleted off Sky Sports; and they have changed the reporting to give Kelleway priority....
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Tiddlypom
Carries on creakily
Where are the *nod nod, wink wink, we're the ones who really know our stuff about the inside machinations of the racing world, just you wait til you hear the truth* anti Bryony Frost posters now?
Goldenstar
Well-Known Member
Well that’s the swamp started draining .
18 months is a fair time out of a jockeys career .
Misogynistic bulling with an under tone of sexual violence why should anyone have to put up with that in any circumstance at work or any where .
Good for her to standing up and being counted .
18 months is a fair time out of a jockeys career .
Misogynistic bulling with an under tone of sexual violence why should anyone have to put up with that in any circumstance at work or any where .
Good for her to standing up and being counted .
teapot
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This is a beautiful read https://www.racingpost.com/news/dis...SBxlbP1py0OnW4mYX5kUs0wZZbOPq9zc_rW95ov2swkao
Shilasdair
Patting her thylacine
That is indeed, a lovely read.
Goldenstar
Well-Known Member
Enablers and protectors of status quo.
Lots of people hate change .
Young woman like BF are the face of change ,professional jockeys making their in world because of their talent not as a novelty female jockey .
Racing cannot make its way in the modern world while it harbours the attitudes of fifty years ago .
They have made a great start here .
ihatework
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splashgirl45
Lurcher lover
a good outcome but i am very disillusioned about the jockeys who stood up for dunne... i would like to know exactly how they justified his behaviour. i heard that richard johnson was one of them and i always respected him as a jockey but feel very differently now.... the other female jockeys who say they have had no problem are not winning races consistantly so were not given the sort of unwelcome attention that frost had....i hope she can continue to be successful and she has plenty of support as that must have been very difficult for her to go ahead and report him even though her dad said not to..
Goldenstar
Well-Known Member
Small man small brain small minded politely covers it .
And as guilty as a ferret in a hen house .
And as guilty as a ferret in a hen house .
Shilasdair
Patting her thylacine
And now - a deeply unpleasant read - PJA (Patriarchical Jockeys Association)
This was the association that supposedly was 'supporting' both Frost and Dunne. I wonder whose side they may have favoured... place your bets!
This was the association that supposedly was 'supporting' both Frost and Dunne. I wonder whose side they may have favoured... place your bets!
splashgirl45
Lurcher lover
funny how the number and names of all of these female jockeys are not given. if the culture is not rancid, why did the other male jockeys support dunne when he had admitted some of the charges. if they thought it was in order to use the language and intentions he did, then they are warped as well..
stangs
Well-Known Member
The PJA saying there’s nothing rancid about the weighing room culture is the equivalent of a Big Lick trainer saying the horses move like that naturally
Shilasdair
Patting her thylacine
Indeed.
There used to be a prolific poster on here, who when losing an argument in a thread used to say 'Ping ping go my PMs - so many people agree with me'. She must be related....
minesadouble
Well-Known Member
He's clearly been 'made an example of', and in the current climate I feel the panel almost had no alternative.
I hate this practice,, it happens in law and is unfortunate for the individual concerned.
I hate this practice,, it happens in law and is unfortunate for the individual concerned.
ester
Not slacking multitasking
wow
Goldenstar
Well-Known Member
There used to be a culture that woman had to succeed within the culture they found in all walks of life .
In order to succeed you had embrace and survive the culture you landed in .
The world has changed and things move on .
Sexism was rife when I started working with horses now no one who question if a woman could look after a horse as well as a man or ride as well as a man .
In order to succeed you had embrace and survive the culture you landed in .
The world has changed and things move on .
Sexism was rife when I started working with horses now no one who question if a woman could look after a horse as well as a man or ride as well as a man .
Goldenstar
Well-Known Member
Well if he had behaved in a civilised fashion there would have been nothing to made an example for .
teapot
Well-Known Member
This is, umm, not so well written:
(if you click the images you should be able to read them)
(if you click the images you should be able to read them)
minesadouble
Well-Known Member
When I worked with horses I wouldn't say there was sexism as such but there was a big 'banter' culture but it was always given out and taken with equal good humour.
But in today's society I honestly don't think it would be classed as acceptable.
But in today's society I honestly don't think it would be classed as acceptable.
Goldenstar
Well-Known Member
Sometimes banter is just that banter but you don’t indulge in banter with people you don’t like .
Goldenstar
Well-Known Member
One thing is true that a sensible system to accommodate felmale jockeys needs and their need to access valets should have been sorted out years ago .
This does not in any way negate the fact that this man had a huge issue with another jockey who was female and responded with in an entirely unacceptable way .
You can be a band of brothers ( unisex use of the world ) and deal with unacceptable behaviour .
This is 2021 not 1921
splashgirl45
Lurcher lover
I worked in banking for many years and at one meeting with only 3 females and 12 males the head office executive thought it was ok to use the F word when talking about our performance. as a female who had been in the organisation for many years i was appalled and told him, in front of the whole meeting, that his language was unacceptable. not one person backed me but during the coffee break three quarters of them told me well done for speaking up....i was not very popular with the head office people but i stood up for what i thought was right. in hindsight, i should have kept my head down and ignored it and my career would have progressed much quicker, i hope bryony doesnt have a similar problem although i think paul nicholls is supportive..
Goldenstar
Well-Known Member
Paul Nicholas likes results if she continues to perform she should be ok there.
I think she might be in for a lonely time on the course though .
I wish her nothing but good luck and happy times .
I think she might be in for a lonely time on the course though .
I wish her nothing but good luck and happy times .
splashgirl45
Lurcher lover
it cant be any worse than what she has had to put up with over the last few months, hope she keeps strong and gets loads of winners
ester
Not slacking multitasking
Can one presume they don't have an actual media person.....
ester
Not slacking multitasking
Interesting to read some of the replies too.