End of tether - Advice needed

P - I think you are going to end up with alot of conflicting advice on this - my only real advice is speak to someone you really trust and who knows you and Rudy well. Get a Vet to check him over - just so you know where you are.

I have a friend who had to have her horse PTS because he because dangerous - turned out to be brain tumour. Not saying is the same - but she was knocked out on the road as a result of one incident - and that was when we all said - don't ever get on again - is not worth it
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Good luck with getting to the bottom of it all xx
 
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What about ulcers? Since this seems to be related to being out at shows which increases stress levels and can cause them to flare up and cause pain?
Just a thought, could be worth looking into.

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Have just been talking about this. He is an incessant (sp?) crib biter....(sorry, forgot earlier on in my post). Is there any way of testing without scoping?

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The Vet can run bloods- although it doesnt confirm ulcers it will show inflammation levels (i think?!) which will either give you something to look into further or rule them out
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Thank you S.
The lady I do trust is asking why I haven't been back on this week. I feel like a complete prat for saying this but I am SH*tting myself at the prospect.
I might just sit in him in the school tonight and see what happens....
I will speak with my vet and also speak with the one Theresa F recommends.

Thanks again S
 
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What about ulcers? Since this seems to be related to being out at shows which increases stress levels and can cause them to flare up and cause pain?
Just a thought, could be worth looking into.

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Have just been talking about this. He is an incessant (sp?) crib biter....(sorry, forgot earlier on in my post). Is there any way of testing without scoping?

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The Vet can run bloods- although it doesnt confirm ulcers it will show inflammation levels (i think?!) which will either give you something to look into further or rule them out
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Interesting...so it will tell me there is inflammation somewhere?
 
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I havent read all the replies but I'cve followed your posts in the past and you've always come across as an experienced, consiencious owner.

Without seeing or knowing the horse I would be inclined to say this is just 'him'. Throwing his toys out of the pram because he doesnt like what you're asking him to do. if it was pain he'd be doing it all the time, not on-off following a pattern.

Someone, in the past, has allowed this horse to stop when HE think's he's done enough, and as a result he doesnt see why he should do any more than he wants to.

As to what you do, that's up to you. these things CAN be undone (he;s still young), but you'd need someone with guts of steel and who REALLY knows what they're doing. Afterall, he;s not bucking out of high spirits, he MEANS these bucks and wants his rider off, that, IMO is dangerous.

Personally, I wouldnt be selling him or risking a novice buying him further down the line. He could hurt someone quite badly
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See if you can have him sent away, give him a chance...

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I totally hear what you are saying.
I don't want to sell him, I want to help him......
Do you not think, that by getting someone else to stick on him, will mean that he won't buck for them?
I have spoken to a local person who takes on 'problem' horses, and he seems to think that someone may have 'fixed' him in the past and him getting on him may not be the answer....
*bangs head*
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It's not just a question of re educating the horse. You're a partnership. You wouldnt send your hubby to relate marriage counselling on his own, and the same goes with a horse. If you're going to get outside help with this then it's the both of you who need help. i'm not for one moment suggesting that you're incapable, what i'm saying is that sometimes we can be so close we can't see the whole picture and sometimes it takes an outsider to help.
You have to be shown what the trainer is doing, you need someone who teaches humans too! Then you can learn what the trainer is doing, learn his trigger points, and learn to nip this in the bud in future. The horse has learnt a loophole and you need to learn (if it;s possible) how to close that loop off so he cannot start this again. A good trainer will train the BOTH of you.

This is, of course, as long as the horse is pain free and so long as his problems can be worked through.

In answer to your question, I suspect he will try and have anyone off. But once the trainer, whoever, has got past him trying to get THEM off then your confidence and skill can be worked on so that the horse views you on the same level as the trainer and stops trying to have you off too. If this isnt to do with pain this horse knows full well that each time he does this the less likely you are to try again. Hence my phrase 'guts of steel' because it will take someone with no fear to get on him, stay on him, and help you both work through this.

FWIW I think it can be done. And FWIW I think you've got this far and you should give it one last try... just don't attempt it by yourself xx
 
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Thank you S.
The lady I do trust is asking why I haven't been back on this week. I feel like a complete prat for saying this but I am SH*tting myself at the prospect.
I might just sit in him in the school tonight and see what happens....
I will speak with my vet and also speak with the one Theresa F recommends.

Thanks again S

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I would be Sh**ing myself too - in your situation. remember is meant to be fun
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- have a hug (((((()))))))) xx
 
This is what I mean though, I don't think I am capable of getting us though this.
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I will get someone to help me, but time and cost are prohibitive at the minute.
I will speak with this chap again and see what he can suggest, I will also speak with my instructor and the lady I have held faith in......

Thank you once again
 
As I understand it- yes. Bailey had suspected ulcers in December- the Vet ran bloods which came back showing high inflamation levels so we put him on a course of Gastroguard to see what happened. At the end of the course she re ran the bloods which showed a dramatic decrease in the levels. I am 99% sure it was the inflammtion levels she was looking at!
 
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Thank you S.
The lady I do trust is asking why I haven't been back on this week. I feel like a complete prat for saying this but I am SH*tting myself at the prospect.
I might just sit in him in the school tonight and see what happens....
I will speak with my vet and also speak with the one Theresa F recommends.

Thanks again S

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I would be Sh**ing myself too - in your situation. remember is meant to be fun
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- have a hug (((((()))))))) xx

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Ta...just what I needed
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As I understand it- yes. Bailey had suspected ulcers in December- the Vet ran bloods which came back showing high inflamation levels so we put him on a course of Gastroguard to see what happened. At the end of the course she re ran the bloods which showed a dramatic decrease in the levels. I am 99% sure it was the inflammtion levels she was looking at!

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Great, thanks for this
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The way I see it, you're spending what is probably quite a lot of money on one approach (McTimoney). I have little experience of this, so don't know how effective it is, but if I were you, I would go the insurance route and:

-have x-rays done on the spine/shoulder
-bloods to rule out liver/kidney pain (and these will pick up inflamm)
-bute test to see if it improves

The way he's working so well in between would suggest that it's something physical underlying, to me and not temper. The above sounds like a lot, but if your vet is confident that one or all of these will give a diagnosis, there's no reason why insurance won't pay up and there's only one excess and call-out if you get them all done on the same day (bute test excepted, of course).

Good luck!
 
Im with Fran on this one.

Its all very well speculating but you really do need to get a good vet involved now. Any back person no matter how well qualified or how well thought off is not allowed, by law, to diagnose a condition so I would forget going down that costly route until you have an accurate diagnosis.

Im quite convinced this is a pain issue but dont be bllinded into thinking it is a bone, spine or limb problem. It is quite possible that the horse has an internal organ condition and I have seen a few who have gut or liver problems exploding like this as well as the more standard KS things.

Sounds like this horse needs the full works on diagnostics to start with and then you can make a decision/plan about his future.
 
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