Equestrian Fraud

[roger inhard]

Roger, you'd find things a lot more pleasant, and people a lot more helpful on here, if you came across a bit less aggressively and hysterically.

As it is, I can feel the forum doing a collective , which is the opposite of what you are presumably trying to achieve.

Well, funnily enough, like almost everybody else in the world, I react aggressively towards people who are hostile to me. Particularly when they don't seem to have the capacity to think for a moment before accusing people of things they haven't done. I'm no fan of lynch mob mentality, which is exactly what this is.
In the past few weeks, I've joined several other sites for the express purpose of pursuing Lee Morley, and have had no issues with any of them, and the people on those sites have been encouraging. I can only assume that I have somehow disrupted a little clique of friends here who don't like newcomers in their playground. Instead of ignoring my post if they didn't approve of it, they were all trying to dissuade people from contacting me, which has led to an inordinate waste of my time, having to explain myself.
I'm an adult, here for a serious purpose, not to get embroiled in other people's egotistical little games. Just for one example, apparently they think it's suspicious that I wasn't 'using UK time zones' (apparently implying that I'm in another country.) However, as it turns out upon inquiry, they seemed to think that it was suspicious for me to be posting at night and in the early morning. Apparently, they have no idea that thousands of people do night work.
Like I said, assumptions are indications of a lynch mob mentality. Personally, I always inquire and find out the truth of a situation before I start slandering people and accusing them of things. It's what us normal people do.

 

[roger inhard]

Lee Morley is like a slippery eel. I have a friend that was scammed and stolen from and has been pursuing him and had no success. Countless people are in the same boat. As soon as you said Lee I knew exactly who it would be.

I would be interested in hearing more. That is precisely why I am here. Or have you already provided the information to people on another ant-scammer website?

 

[roger inhard]

Roger might not be doing the best job about using the forum to try and highlight the problems with Lee Morley, but I have heard numerous other similar complaints about LM from several different people in real life and on social media. So anyone on the forum would be wise to avoid having any dealings with him if they don't want to lose significant sums of money.,

I would be =interested in any real life information you have heard about Lee Morley? Or have you already provided the information to another anti-scammer website?

 

[Gloi]

(2) I inverted my name, precisely to avoid cheap shots at my name (and seriously, I don't think anyone has used the word 'rogering' in the last century: I've never even heard it in a Carry On film.) If you give it a moment's thought, you would realise that if I had any ulterior motives I would obviously use a blander name than my own.

I hope you are successful in your search.
The reason people have been giving you a difficult time is that this mainly female site has a history of men joining and then over a few posts turning the subject of their posts to their own sexual kink, which makes regular uses rather suspicious.

 

[LEC]

I would be interested in hearing more. That is precisely why I am here. Or have you already provided the information to people on another ant-scammer website?

This was my friend

https://www.facebook.com/permalink.php?story_fbid=pfbid02rtihPRLZh4WMV4Dvm1EV8yjjuCcgNxw8gwkojPwZhWkdNqmxNxaZ2artMMao53Zkl&id=667461807

Pretty sure it’s been made public. Lee doesn’t give two shits as see he is still on FB as brazen as can be. I am not sure how co-ordinated it is against him.

 

[lynz88]

I hope you are successful in your search.
The reason people have been giving you a difficult time is that this mainly female site has a history of men joining and then over a few posts turning the subject of their posts to their own sexual kink, which makes regular uses rather suspicious.

You beat me to it!

 

[ycbm]

Well, funnily enough, like almost everybody else in the world, I react aggressively towards people who are hostile to me. Particularly when they don't seem to have the capacity to think for a moment before accusing people of things they haven't done. I'm no fan of lynch mob mentality, which is exactly what this is.
In the past few weeks, I've joined several other sites for the express purpose of pursuing Lee Morley, and have had no issues with any of them, and the people on those sites have been encouraging. I can only assume that I have somehow disrupted a little clique of friends here who don't like newcomers in their playground. Instead of ignoring my post if they didn't approve of it, they were all trying to dissuade people from contacting me, which has led to an inordinate waste of my time, having to explain myself.
I'm an adult, here for a serious purpose, not to get embroiled in other people's egotistical little games. Just for one example, apparently they think it's suspicious that I wasn't 'using UK time zones' (apparently implying that I'm in another country.) However, as it turns out upon inquiry, they seemed to think that it was suspicious for me to be posting at night and in the early morning. Apparently, they have no idea that thousands of people do night work.
Like I said, assumptions are indications of a lynch mob mentality. Personally, I always inquire and find out the truth of a situation before I start slandering people and accusing them of things. It's what us normal people do.

Roger I could send you the picture of a pair of knickers another new male forum poster sent to me by private message, one of a string of perverted messages, asking if I thought he should buy them, if you want to see it.

I'm sorry that your parents named you so insensitively, but if you are going to join a largely female forum, give scant details (not even Lee's full name), include a link without explaining it, and using almost your real name which is highly suggestive, then you do need to be aware that many of us are once bitten twice shy in this situation.

Next time you join a largely female forum could you have a little more sensitivity please?
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[ycbm]

I have no idea what all that source code (?) you put at the top refers to, or where you got it, be cause all I can see of my post is exactly what you have put above. I have no more idea how to obtain those lines of gobbledegook than I have of what chemical components make up washing-up liquid when I use it, I just use it, I don't analyse it, because I'm not a nerd. After a great deal of puzzlement, I can only conclude (and you didn't make it at all clear) that you think there is something odd about my name being in red at the top of my post, which seems to take me to my Facebook page. That was none of my doing (unless I somehow did it by accident, or it was an automated response). Indeed, I don't even know how I would go about highlighting my name in red. (My laptop is just a glorified typewriter to me.) I just assumed that the site did it for any new members to show their status. I'm sorry that I live in the real world and don't spend my time using computers or analysing social media sites. I'm here for one reason only, and I would appreciate being left alone to get on with it (unless any of you have any helpful advice.)
I reiterate, I'm here seeking information about Lee Morley and his father, to warn others who may not be aware of his character, and to offer assistance to any more of his victims that being on this site might uncover. This has become necessary because he is starting to immerse himself in the equestrian and show jumping world. Apart from being a conman, he also has a history of cruelty to horses.

Press the reply button on your own post and you should see exactly what I have quoted. You have inadvertently inserted a hypertext link to a Facebook page in your first post. I've never seen it on any other new posters first post, I don't have a clue how it happened but it is there and I would be really grateful if you could stop getting cross about people being wary about it.

Another common thing is new posters inserting links to adverts, pornography or malware that they hope people will click on out of curiosity. I routinely advise people not to click on any link from a new user.
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[Rowreach]

Well, funnily enough, like almost everybody else in the world, I react aggressively towards people who are hostile to me. Particularly when they don't seem to have the capacity to think for a moment before accusing people of things they haven't done. I'm no fan of lynch mob mentality, which is exactly what this is.
In the past few weeks, I've joined several other sites for the express purpose of pursuing Lee Morley, and have had no issues with any of them, and the people on those sites have been encouraging. I can only assume that I have somehow disrupted a little clique of friends here who don't like newcomers in their playground. Instead of ignoring my post if they didn't approve of it, they were all trying to dissuade people from contacting me, which has led to an inordinate waste of my time, having to explain myself.
I'm an adult, here for a serious purpose, not to get embroiled in other people's egotistical little games. Just for one example, apparently they think it's suspicious that I wasn't 'using UK time zones' (apparently implying that I'm in another country.) However, as it turns out upon inquiry, they seemed to think that it was suspicious for me to be posting at night and in the early morning. Apparently, they have no idea that thousands of people do night work.
Like I said, assumptions are indications of a lynch mob mentality. Personally, I always inquire and find out the truth of a situation before I start slandering people and accusing them of things. It's what us normal people do.

Well, I tried, but you are still being aggressive and hysterical. Calm down lad.

 

[Edward28]

Wow, that sounds like quite a saga you've been dealing with. Dealing with fraudsters is never fun. Unfortunately, I don't have any info on Lee, but kudos to you for trying to track him down. It's frustrating how these scammers keep popping up under different names.

 

[roger inhard]

Lee Morley is like a slippery eel. I have a friend that was scammed and stolen from and has been pursuing him and had no success. Countless people are in the same boat. As soon as you said Lee I knew exactly who it would be.

I would be interested in hearing about your friends's experiences with Lee Morley, although it is a possibility that we already know of him or her and have been in previous contact. If not, please let me know. Thank you.

 

[roger inhard]

Well, I tried, but you are still being aggressive and hysterical. Calm down lad.

I appreciate your concern and thank you. But surely you can see the rationale for my irritation when assailed by closed-minded people? People who warn others not to click on a link that no one had suggested that they did, and that I didn't even know counted ss a link. They then get to my Facebook page and complain that there's no information there about me (why do they need any?) whilst ironically also chiding me about asking for 'personal' information about someone else. The difference is that I'm asking about a crook for legitimate reasons; anybody who is looking for information about me is just being nosy.
But thanks for the well-meaning advice anyway.

 

[roger inhard]

Roger might not be doing the best job about using the forum to try and highlight the problems with Lee Morley, but I have heard numerous other similar complaints about LM from several different people in real life and on social media. So anyone on the forum would be wise to avoid having any dealings with him if they don't want to lose significant sums of money.,

For some reason,

 

[roger inhard]

Roger might not be doing the best job about using the forum to try and highlight the problems with Lee Morley, but I have heard numerous other similar complaints about LM from several different people in real life and on social media. So anyone on the forum would be wise to avoid having any dealings with him if they don't want to lose significant sums of money.,

For some reason, I can't see the reply that I thought

 

[roger inhard]

Roger I could send you the picture of a pair of knickers another new male forum poster sent to me by private message, one of a string of perverted messages, asking if I thought he should buy them, if you want to see it.

I'm sorry that your parents named you so insensitively, but if you are going to join a largely female forum, give scant details (not even Lee's full name), include a link without explaining it, and using almost your real name which is highly suggestive, then you do need to be aware that many of us are once bitten twice shy in this situation.

Next time you join a largely female forum could you have a little more sensitivity please?
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Most adult people (especially females) don't usually make fun of my name. This says more about the way that some of the people here think than it does about me, and it's tantamount to bullying and abuse. I would be ashamed to mock someone in that way, particularly if I was hiding behind a generic user name. So 'Honi soit qui mal y pense'.

I hadn't given any thought to what the male/female demographic here looks like: I assumed it would be about equal.
I'm actually happy to know that this site is largely female, because the majority of Lee Morley's victims have been female, or couples where the female partner had most dealings with him.

It must be obvious why I didn't initially post LEE PHILLIP MORLEY's complete name here. It was because it wasn't clear what the site's rules were, and I considered the possibility that they might consider it libellous which would then involve me in a great deal of time referring them to evidence, or providing it for them.
Whereas anybody who saw the name LEE in connection with equestrian or construction scams who had had any dealings with him, would immediately know who was being referred to. As a couple of messages here have attested to.

(Just out of interest, if somebody was sending you unpleasant messages, why didn't you just block him after the first one? I assume blocking private messages from people is an option on these sites?)

 

[roger inhard]

Most adult people (especially females) don't usually make fun of my name. This says more about the way that some of the people here think than it does about me, and it's tantamount to bullying and abuse. I would be ashamed to mock someone in that way, particularly if I was hiding behind a generic user name. So 'Honi soit qui mal y pense'.

I hadn't given any thought to what the male/female demographic here looks like: I assumed it would be about equal.
I'm actually happy to know that this site is largely female, because the majority of Lee Morley's victims have been female, or couples where the female partner had most dealings with him.

It must be obvious why I didn't initially post LEE PHILLIP MORLEY's complete name here. It was because it wasn't clear what the site's rules were, and I considered the possibility that they might consider it libellous which would then involve me in a great deal of time referring them to evidence, or providing it for them.
Whereas anybody who saw the name LEE in connection with equestrian or construction scams who had had any dealings with him, would immediately know who was being referred to. As a couple of messages here have attested to.

(Just out of interest, if somebody was sending you unpleasant messages, why didn't you just block him after the first one? I assume blocking private messages from people is an option on these sites?)

Also, 'could I have a little bit more sensitivity, please'? Are you seriously implying that I should not use my own name, in case it upsets some sleazy-minded people's sensitivities? I suspect that you might benefit from some sensitivity courses yourself, especially ones that focus on discrimination.

 

[roger inhard]

Roger might not be doing the best job about using the forum to try and highlight the problems with Lee Morley, but I have heard numerous other similar complaints about LM from several different people in real life and on social media. So anyone on the forum would be wise to avoid having any dealings with him if they don't want to lose significant sums of money.,

For some reason, I can't see the message that I thought I sent to you yesterday, but I would be interested in hearing about the real life experiences that you refer to, of people you know whom have had experiences with Lee Morley. Although it's quite possible that we would already know of them, or have had previous contact with them. But any possible new information is welcome. Thank you.

 

[roger inhard]

For some reason, I can't see the message that I thought I sent to you yesterday, but I would be interested in hearing about the real life experiences that you refer to, of people you know whom have had experiences with Lee Morley. Although it's quite possible that we would already know of them, or have had previous contact with them. But any possible new information is welcome. Thank you.

I hope you are successful in your search.
The reason people have been giving you a difficult time is that this mainly female site has a history of men joining and then over a few posts turning the subject of their posts to their own sexual kink, which makes regular uses rather suspicious.

Thank you. But perhaps people should wait for any evidence of untoward behaviour before they start pre-judging people and assuming bad motives from any men who join the site. Lesson learned, next time I'll be dishonest and use a female user name for myself.

 

[roger inhard]

This was my friend

https://www.facebook.com/permalink.php?story_fbid=pfbid02rtihPRLZh4WMV4Dvm1EV8yjjuCcgNxw8gwkojPwZhWkdNqmxNxaZ2artMMao53Zkl&id=667461807

Pretty sure it’s been made public. Lee doesn’t give two shits as see he is still on FB as brazen as can be. I am not sure how co-ordinated it is against him.

Thank you. I am aware of Sue Horn. We believe he convinced his last girlfriend to set up a business in her own name for Lee Morley's use. We don't seem to be able to ascertain whether they are still together or not. We have not been able to access a current Facebook page for Lee Morley, and would be interested if he is still advertising his 'business' on there? His usual Modus Operandi is to tout for work on Facebook, take money in advance and then decamp leaving work uncompleted. (He also obtains temporary workmen from Facebook ads, and rarely pays them.) He then changes the name of his 'company' on Facebook, and claims that all debts are the responsibility of the previous company which has now closed down, and he was only an employee of it anyway.

 

[roger inhard]

Press the reply button on your own post and you should see exactly what I have quoted. You have inadvertently inserted a hypertext link to a Facebook page in your first post. I've never seen it on any other new posters first post, I don't have a clue how it happened but it is there and I would be really grateful if you could stop getting cross about people being wary about it.

Another common thing is new posters inserting links to adverts, pornography or malware that they hope people will click on out of curiosity. I routinely advise people not to click on any link from a new user.
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Fair enough. I have no idea how it happened either. But I reiterate, I did not ask anyone to click on any links (particularly one that I didn't even know was there), and I'm baffled as to why they would bother to anyway, unless I specifically asked them to. It would never occur to me to click on a name in red, just to see what happened.
Most links that I've ever seen have been in light blue. And, in fact, I deliberately avoided pasting any links here to information about Lee Morley, because I wasn't sure if links were allowed to be posted on this site. (YouTube, for instance, no longer allows links to be included in Comments.)
Also, my understanding is that no harm can actually come from clicking on a link and looking at it, only if it's actually downloaded onto your device, in which case I don't understand the caution. But perhaps I'm wrong about that. I'm not a computer geek, so I don't know.

 

[Jambarissa]

Also, my understanding is that no harm can actually come from clicking on a link and looking at it, only if it's actually downloaded onto your device, in which case I don't understand the caution. But perhaps I'm wrong about that. I'm not a computer geek, so I don't know.

The harm is psychological, most likely to be a dick pic or some other porn which is actually cyber flashing, a criminal offense. Given the name it is not an unreasonable assumption unfortunately.

But you have raised awareness of this guy anyway, I'm sure a lot of readers gave noted the name.

 

[ycbm]

But I reiterate, I did not ask anyone to click on any links (particularly one that I didn't even know was there), and I'm baffled as to why they would bother to anyway, unless I specifically asked them to. It would never occur to me to click on a name in red, just to see what happened.

I have already explained to you that it is a common feature of this forum, and was a lot worse before the new joiner security was toughened up, to include a hypertext link to pornography, something for sale or malware in the hope that people will click on it of curiosity or by mistake.

Some people like causing upset, some people are trying to put viruses or spyware on other people's devices.

Like it or not, whether you knew about it or not, you are operating in that world and blaming forum users for being suspicious and calling them bullies is very unfair. Your level of aggression on this forum is also way over the top.

You knew your name was an issue, you changed it from Hardin to Inhard, though I have to ask myself what you thought that change achieved. You had no reason to use your name at all. Changing it to something with the same meaning and still so identifiable was a bit bizarre.

When people like Rowreach and I have tried to explain to you why you have been getting the reaction you have, you've simply gone on the attack and been aggressive. And with further explanations, redoubled the aggression.

Well done for calling attention to the scammer Lee Morley. Nul points for the way you've gone about it.
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[ycbm]

Also, my understanding is that no harm can actually come from clicking on a link and looking at it, only if it's actually downloaded onto your device, in which case I don't understand the caution. But perhaps I'm wrong about that. I'm not a computer geek, so I don't know.

Some information from a leading security software provider for you. This link is safe.

https://www.mcafee.com/blogs/internet-security/what-are-the-risks-of-clicking-on-malicious-links/#:~:text=A%20few%20nasty%20tricks%2C%20viruses,answers%20to%20your%20security%20questions.

 

[peeking1]

Roger Inhard
Hi. For some time now, I have been pursuing a fraudster called Lee who has been operating construction and equestrian scams (sometimes his father is involved) for at least the last ten years. He has eight unsatisfied County Court judgments against him and one Employment tribunal finding against him, and he has operated in Gloucestershire, Worcestershire, Lincolnshire, and South Wales. He sometimes puts advertisements on Facebook, then slightly changes the name of his company when creditors pursue him. It is possible that he is the same person referred to in a post here by KrujaaLass in 2013. If anyone here knows of him or has any relevant information about his past or current activities I would be grateful if you could please contact me, Thank you.

I may have good news info.

Follow me back and we can chat.


I'm Worcester area.

 

[Glitter's fun]

Just some additional safety advice:
I don't want to post a link under the circ.s but there's a well known fraud called a "follow up scam".

Basically you have been conned & then that makes you vulnerable in some way, eg you are giving out personal details to people who tell you they are fellow victims, or someone tries to involve you in a victim compensation scheme.

 

[peeking1]

Just some additional safety advice:
I don't want to post a link under the circ.s but there's a well known fraud called a "follow up scam".

Basically you have been conned & then that makes you vulnerable in some way, eg you are giving out personal details to people who tell you they are fellow victims, or someone tries to involve you in a victim compensation scheme.

Very good point.
I'm aware of the scam.

 

[peeking1]

I may have some further good info regarding Mr M.

Follow me back and we can chat.


I'm Worcester area.

 

[roger inhard]

Please post your information here. Thank you.

 

[roger inhard]

Some information from a leading security software provider for you. This link is safe.

https://www.mcafee.com/blogs/internet-security/what-are-the-risks-of-clicking-on-malicious-links/#:~:text=A%20few%20nasty%20tricks%2C%20viruses,answers%20to%20your%20security%20questions.

A link to a company that is trying to scare people into buying security software is hardly impartial. And as most of that link (an ad designed to look like an article) says, the usual danger is only that a link might take you to a site which attempts to elicit personal details from you. Having now asked people who are knowledgeable in online fraud, I am reliably informed that clicking on a link per se, is unlikely to be dangerous, otherwise nobody ever would, and the internet would come to a standstill. I'm told that on the few occasions that a link might try to do any damage if clicked upon, the built-in security of devices (usually Microsoft) easily detects and deals with them.

 

[peeking1]

Please post your information here. Thank you.

It's obviously not the sort of information you post online.
Try and message me or use the moderators to message me.

Otherwise lmk another way of contacting you.
We are on the same path.