Equitape wormer

If the rumour is true, possibly because it only does tapeworm and few people want to worm for tape without worming for anything else. Most people give praziquantel with either moxidectin or ivermectin to do the rest at the same time.
 
don't think it's a rumour, Westgate labs have put out an article about it. I'm feeling a bit frustrated about this because I've already butted heads with my YO over her wormer choices and this will more than likely make us over do the worming even more, urgh. I'm going to start doing the saliva test for mine I think.
 
ycbm said:
If the rumour is true, possibly because it only does tapeworm and few people want to worm for tape without worming for anything else. Most people give praziquantel with either moxidectin or ivermectin to do the rest at the same time.
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it is true. Many people do worm counts. If they have a low count but a positive equi sal test they only want to do tapeworm. Equitape is the only single wormer that does tapes.
 
paddy555 said:
it is true. Many people do worm counts. If they have a low count but a positive equi sal test they only want to do tapeworm. Equitape is the only single wormer that does tapes.
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Clearly not enough people to make it a commercially viable product.

That isn't quite true, either, strongid P (pyrantel embonate) as a double dose also does tape.
 
ycbm said:
Clearly not enough people to make it a commercially viable product.

That isn't quite true, either, strongid P (pyrantel embonate) as a double dose also does tape.
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maybe not enough but a lot of unhappy people.

yes strongid does and westgate suggest it as the least worst option but I don't particularly want to use a product at a double dose that does red/roundworm etc when I have continually low counts and I only want to deal with tapeworm. Equitape is the only product that targets tapeworm only.
 
paddy555 said:
maybe not enough but a lot of unhappy people.

yes strongid does and westgate suggest it as the least worst option but I don't particularly want to use a product at a double dose that does red/roundworm etc when I have continually low counts and I only want to deal with tapeworm. Equitape is the only product that targets tapeworm only.
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Which is irrelevant if no-one will sell it to you.
 
I didn't know this, what a faff! I will use it this year, just make sure I buy some before it's discontinued. But then I might use the EquiSal test instead. Mine consistently have very low/ no eggs seen counts for red worm so I don't worm much, just tapeworm in the Autumn and encysted red worm in the Winter.
 
I also saw this news from Westgate, and decided to stock up. Just FYI, all of the Equitape I received have expiry of 10/2018. I wonder if the end date mentioned in the Westgate article is to be interpreted as: no new stock is currently being produced, and all that's left expires in October this year. I'll probably still keep using it into next year, but thought I'd mention it here in case others were thinking of stocking up as well.
 
All the times we're asked to do counts rather than worm unnecessarily, and now we're left with no option but to worm when we don't need to. Sure we could do tapes once a year & combine it with encysteds, but I won't use Pramox & I know other people who feel the same.
 
Thanks for the heads up - I also like the option of just worming for tapes, especially in the Autumn. How annoying that they are going to discontinue....
 
Dammit.

I won't use Equest Pramox due to so many adverse reactions reported to be caused by it, so currently use Equest and Equitape spaced 14 days apart. It certainly costs more to dose the same chemicals separately than to give them as a single dose of Pramox, though.

Thanks for the warning about the expiry date supsup, I'll check those before I stock up.
 
Tiddlypom said:
Thanks for the warning about the expiry date supsup, I'll check those before I stock up.
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I have just stocked up and found the same re the expiry date. It seems that the latest expiry date is going to be oct 2018. I suppose it will get this years tapeworming over if needed and then maybe something more obvious will happen for next year.

I found viovet to be one of the cheaper ones.
 
As I read it because we will no longer be able to use praziquantel on its own, but in combination with others such as moxidectrin we can. But that adds to resistance in round- and red worm.
I think I am going to have to use the saliva test this year - my lot have been in a closed system of grazing for many years so is there any chance that they can become infested by tapeworm other than by previously infested horses - anyone know?
 
JillA said:
As I read it because we will no longer be able to use praziquantel on its own, but in combination with others such as moxidectrin we can. But that adds to resistance in round- and red worm.
I think I am going to have to use the saliva test this year - my lot have been in a closed system of grazing for many years so is there any chance that they can become infested by tapeworm other than by previously infested horses - anyone know?
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I had a closed group that were fine for years then one got really I'll and found to have high tapeworm burden. No other horses around at the time. The vet suggested I look into where my hay came from as it may be harvest mites in the hay. turns out the fields had been grazed by horses directly before being cut for hay. Changed hay supplier and not had any issues since. But yes there are ways you can get tapeworm into a closed group as harvest mites which can carry it can travel ie within hay
 
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My horse has been living in a closed group, with very limited travel to events. He's had "no eggs seen" on his FECs for many years now, and yet almost all the saliva tests I've done over the past 2.5 years have come back borderline or positive. I find this really frustrating because there's not much I could do differently in terms of management (poo picking etc.), and I end up shelling out £17 for a saliva test each time, plus the cost of the wormer anyway. To me, the message there is that we have much less influence over tape worm infections via management than we have over other parasites, because you can get re-infections from travelling harvest mites (either migrating in from surrounding areas, or imported with forage). Given this experience, I would not skip the saliva test or tape worm treatment.
 
paddy555 said:
I have just stocked up and found the same re the expiry date. It seems that the latest expiry date is going to be oct 2018. I suppose it will get this years tapeworming over if needed and then maybe something more obvious will happen for next year.

I found viovet to be one of the cheaper ones.
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I do wonder how soon after the expiry date it would actually become ineffective? Am just stocking up now as I also prefer to worm for tape and redworm separately.
 
Was there any conclusion to whether there is a life in an equitape dose after its expiry date of Oct 2018?

I would likely buy 1 extra dose and keep it in the fridge, but if it deteriorates rapidly after expiry there would be little point.
 
Tiddlypom said:
Dammit.

I won't use Equest Pramox due to so many adverse reactions reported to be caused by it, so currently use Equest and Equitape spaced 14 days apart. It certainly costs more to dose the same chemicals separately than to give them as a single dose of Pramox, though.

Thanks for the warning about the expiry date supsup, I'll check those before I stock up.
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I lost a horse to colic just 24 hours after worming with Pramox. He started to colic less than 10 hours after dosing. I cannot prove it was the Pramox but it has no place in my worming programme anymore.
 
supsup said:
My horse has been living in a closed group, with very limited travel to events. He's had "no eggs seen" on his FECs for many years now, and yet almost all the saliva tests I've done over the past 2.5 years have come back borderline or positive. I find this really frustrating because there's not much I could do differently in terms of management (poo picking etc.), and I end up shelling out £17 for a saliva test each time, plus the cost of the wormer anyway. To me, the message there is that we have much less influence over tape worm infections via management than we have over other parasites, because you can get re-infections from travelling harvest mites (either migrating in from surrounding areas, or imported with forage). Given this experience, I would not skip the saliva test or tape worm treatment.
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What do harvest mites have to do with tapeworm?
Genuine question! I’ve had harvest mites on my horses for the first time ever this year and had never even heard of them before! Is this something else I need to be aware of?
 
poiuytrewq said:
What do harvest mites have to do with tapeworm?
Genuine question! I’ve had harvest mites on my horses for the first time ever this year and had never even heard of them before! Is this something else I need to be aware of?
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They host the tapeworm eggs by eating infected horse poo. They then spread around and get eaten themselves by other horses. Tapeworm hatches out and cycle begins again.

I had a real problem when I first got my cat. She was a stray, invested with fleas and tapeworm and breaking the cycle was really hard. Just couldn't get on top of the fleas which meant the tapeworm kept coming back because the fleas were acting as the host. It was grim!
 
Surbie said:
Was there any conclusion to whether there is a life in an equitape dose after its expiry date of Oct 2018?

I would likely buy 1 extra dose and keep it in the fridge, but if it deteriorates rapidly after expiry there would be little point.
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I asked my vet and she said no problem to stock up for next year as long as I stored it propely. Expiry dates are very generous added to which in this case because the product was being withdrawn, the date couldn't be beyond that date.

However I believe there will be a new product that you have to get direct from the vet to replace.
 
whiteflower said:
This is interesting, has your vet indicated when this may become available ? Not ideal if it's going to be prescription only though.
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My vet mentioned about new products coming out but the tapeworm product was mentioned by Westgate either on here or facebook.

Whether it's technically on prescription won't matter, if I ask my vet for something there is no extra charge if it's on prescription unless I specifically ask for a prescription to buy elsewhere. Only problem is they are not competitive pricewise with say Viovet or other online retailers.
 
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