Facebook footage of welsh stud delivering youngstock to abattoir

[Schollym]

I bought a Welsh A foal from a saved from slaughter ad in the local paper many years ago, lost her last year at the age of 39. Would have more if space and money allowed but having seen time and time again, the rescue organisations collecting horses and ponies in terrible condition because hoarders have bought these animals for a pittance. However unsavoury it is, better a short life that long years suffering.

 

[TheresaW]

I bought a funny looking thing to keep my foal company, he was gelded but tbh if you can get one for peanuts getting them gelded is relatively cost effective. I sold mine when he was no longer needed to TheresaW on here. He cost me money overall but was a real plus.

A funny looking thing! I won’t tell him that ?

 

[Leah3horses]

Generalisations are not helpful, not all us vegans / animal rights activists are hysterical 'fluffies' , some of us actually work in the traumatic world of animal rescue/ veterinary science. Some of us are both rational and empathetic. I personally can only behave as my ethics allow. So I have never and will never treat any other species as a commodity, disposable or non sentient. I've never eaten animal flesh, don't wear animal skin , don't use force towards my friends who are other species. Yet neither will I condemn any other human for behaving in ways that their own individual ethics allow. I will always hope that humans continue to evolve and develop stronger ethics towards other species and each other, because animal rights and human rights are very closely intertwined, which is not widely recognised by all the generalisations that fly around so easily. We need to be kinder to each other and other species, to reduce using other species as vehicles for our own egos, as commodities, as easily expendable, as excuses to carry on barbaric traditions that have no place in supposedly civilised societies. If humans didn't treat other species as commodities, this pandemic that has turned the world upside down would never have happened. We are reaping what we sow, we as a species should be looking at the bigger picture. Covid, foals to slaughter, puppy farms, orang utans trying to fight off huge machines ripping their forests down in Borneo, coral reefs dying off in Australia etc etc ,these are all just sad symptoms of what we are doing to our home and fellow species. We aren't learning what nature is trying to teach us. We are a plague.

 

[maggie62]

Generalisations are not helpful, not all us vegans / animal rights activists are hysterical 'fluffies' , some of us actually work in the traumatic world of animal rescue/ veterinary science. Some of us are both rational and empathetic. I personally can only behave as my ethics allow. So I have never and will never treat any other species as a commodity, disposable or non sentient. I've never eaten animal flesh, don't wear animal skin , don't use force towards my friends who are other species. Yet neither will I condemn any other human for behaving in ways that their own individual ethics allow. I will always hope that humans continue to evolve and develop stronger ethics towards other species and each other, because animal rights and human rights are very closely intertwined, which is not widely recognised by all the generalisations that fly around so easily. We need to be kinder to each other and other species, to reduce using other species as vehicles for our own egos, as commodities, as easily expendable, as excuses to carry on barbaric traditions that have no place in supposedly civilised societies. If humans didn't treat other species as commodities, this pandemic that has turned the world upside down would never have happened. We are reaping what we sow, we as a species should be looking at the bigger picture. Covid, foals to slaughter, puppy farms, orang utans trying to fight off huge machines ripping their forests down in Borneo, coral reefs dying off in Australia etc etc ,these are all just sad symptoms of what we are doing to our home and fellow species. We aren't learning what nature is trying to teach us. We are a plague.

'Man' interfering with nature was always going to end badly

 

[Equi]

Well the age of man will end all the faster for the crappy way we behave. Then nature will reclaim the land and life will evolve again. So there’s always a silver lining eh.

 

[shortstuff99]

Is this where we insert a Jeff Goldblum meme?

 

[FinnishLapphund]

Is this where we insert a Jeff Goldblum meme?

 

[tristar]

Generalisations are not helpful, not all us vegans / animal rights activists are hysterical 'fluffies' , some of us actually work in the traumatic world of animal rescue/ veterinary science. Some of us are both rational and empathetic. I personally can only behave as my ethics allow. So I have never and will never treat any other species as a commodity, disposable or non sentient. I've never eaten animal flesh, don't wear animal skin , don't use force towards my friends who are other species. Yet neither will I condemn any other human for behaving in ways that their own individual ethics allow. I will always hope that humans continue to evolve and develop stronger ethics towards other species and each other, because animal rights and human rights are very closely intertwined, which is not widely recognised by all the generalisations that fly around so easily. We need to be kinder to each other and other species, to reduce using other species as vehicles for our own egos, as commodities, as easily expendable, as excuses to carry on barbaric traditions that have no place in supposedly civilised societies. If humans didn't treat other species as commodities, this pandemic that has turned the world upside down would never have happened. We are reaping what we sow, we as a species should be looking at the bigger picture. Covid, foals to slaughter, puppy farms, orang utans trying to fight off huge machines ripping their forests down in Borneo, coral reefs dying off in Australia etc etc ,these are all just sad symptoms of what we are doing to our home and fellow species. We aren't learning what nature is trying to teach us. We are a plague.

what a brilliant post, the best on here for a long time, thank you for your thoughts

 

[tristar]

Well the age of man will end all the faster for the crappy way we behave. Then nature will reclaim the land and life will evolve again. So there’s always a silver lining eh.

i`ve been thinking that lately

 

[Cortez]

Well the age of man will end all the faster for the crappy way we behave. Then nature will reclaim the land and life will evolve again. So there’s always a silver lining eh.

Hopefully before we have driven even more of the beautiful animals on this planet to extinction. I don't have the slightest problem with humans disappearing, but the thought of there being no wildlife reduces me to despair.

 

[Mule]

I remember a horse meat butcher in Goole when I was growing up. It was in the dock area and catered for passing ships as well as some locals.

I have eaten horsemeat in Belgium and enjoyed it. It had been bought especially for me as my hosts knew that the British loved horse.

I remember a horse meat butcher in Goole when I was growing up. It was in the dock area and catered for passing ships as well as some locals.

I have eaten horsemeat in Belgium and enjoyed it. It had been bought especially for me as my hosts knew that the British loved horse.

??

 

[ycbm]

Hopefully before we have driven even more of the beautiful animals on this planet to extinction. I don't have the slightest problem with humans disappearing, but the thought of there being no wildlife reduces me to despair.

Have you ever tried telling a profoundly Christian person that the world doesn't need mankind on it to function?

He's not spoken to me since, but his look of horror and contempt was a picture!

 

[Mule]

Have you ever tried telling a profoundly Christian person that the world doesn't need mankind on it to function?

He's not spoken to me since, but his look of horror and contempt was a picture!

It's interesting, I've never thought humans are all that special as a species. Thinking about it, there have been quite a few early human species, some died off and homo sapiens became dominant. I'd imagine if we died off another, similar species might well emerge so it wouldn't be that big of a deal.

 

[Cortez]

Have you ever tried telling a profoundly Christian person that the world doesn't need mankind on it to function?

He's not spoken to me since, but his look of horror and contempt was a picture!

Ah, that would come under the "God gave us dominion over every living thing" protocol I would imagine. God/bible has a lot to answer for.....

 

[mariew]

Just have a look at David Attenborough's latest one should give you some timeframes. It really won't be long if we carry on as we are now.

 

[Gingerwitch]

Just have a look at David Attenborough's latest one should give you some timeframes. It really won't be long if we carry on as we are now.

That's why when I start to loose my 4 they are not being replaced. I want to be able.to.die happy knowing that mine are not going to be left in a half life of being semi tame and having to go feral. X

 

[thefarsideofthefield]

Well the age of man will end all the faster for the crappy way we behave. Then nature will reclaim the land and life will evolve again. So there’s always a silver lining eh.

I have a theory that , despite the almost certain probability that there are other planets in the universe that sustain some form of life , we have not been able to make any form of contact with them because they have evolved along the same lines as us . Given the very likely probability that humans will cause their own extinction , it is possible that this has also happened to other ' intelligent ' life forms when they reach a similar point in their own evolution ie there is either no similar intelligent ( I use the term lightly ) life to make contact with because it has not yet evolved to that point , or that it has evolved to that point but it has then made itself extinct . We reach a certain point and then we cause our own demise . Maybe we're not supposed to rule the world for ever . I suspect not . I actually find it very comforting to think that humans will gradually die out but the earth will go on and , yes , we may have caused chaos , but the world will recover and heal itself . Nature will recover , new life forms will evolve to replace the ones we have wiped out .' Intelligent' life may or may not re emerge , but if it does I suspect it may well follow the same pattern . Maybe it's supposed to ?
Sorry - bit deep for a wet Tuesday lunchtime .

 

[FinnishLapphund]

Have you ever tried telling a profoundly Christian person that the world doesn't need mankind on it to function?

He's not spoken to me since, but his look of horror and contempt was a picture!

I'm Christian (Methodist). But it's my Asperger's/autistic traits of disliking changes, which triggers anxiety, that gives me problem when I think of a future without humans. My Christian faith in that there is something beyond this life, is something which helps me keeping my anxiety at, mostly, manageable levels.
By the way, knowing that our sun is going to die at some point in the future, is a knowledge I try my best to forget that I know about. That's a really huge change, and I don't like the thought of it at all.

Some people builds their beliefs, and focus, on the negative parts in the Bible. People like me builds our beliefs, and focus, on the positive parts.

The very best sermon I've ever heard was by Jonas Gardell, novelist, playwright, screenwriter, comedian, Christian, and homosexual.
He focused on a good, kind, and forgiving God, on how Jesus welcomed everyone to come to him, and how Jesus told his followers that they where wrong to send anyone away from him. Gardell feels that Jesus would never send him away because he's a homosexual, and that a good, kind, and forgiving God would not reject him because he's married to a man.

Anyhow, I don't tar all vegetarians, or vegans, with the same brush. But if you're a militant vegan/some other type of radical believer, who's trying to force your beliefs on to others, then yes, I do indeed not like it.

 

[Odyssey]

Have you ever tried telling a profoundly Christian person that the world doesn't need mankind on it to function?

He's not spoken to me since, but his look of horror and contempt was a picture!

I'm a Christian, but a free thinking one, I don't believe everything the Bible says. It was written such a long time ago, and life has changed so much. I also don't believe it's meant to be taken literally. I often wonder what God was thinking when he created man! I think we're just a blight on this beautiful planet, and I despair at the way we're wrecking it, and inflicting untold suffering on millions of animals. ? If we carry on as we are, and keep bringing so many more people into being (which we obviously will), the sooner we die out the better. Unfortunately for nature, I can't see how that could happen, barring possibly a huge meteorite wiping us out.

 

[tristar]

I'm a Christian, but a free thinking one, I don't believe everything the Bible says. It was written such a long time ago, and life has changed so much. I also don't believe it's meant to be taken literally. I often wonder what God was thinking when he created man! I think we're just a blight on this beautiful planet, and I despair at the way we're wrecking it, and inflicting untold suffering on millions of animals. ? If we carry on as we are, and keep bringing so many more people into being (which we obviously will), the sooner we die out the better. Unfortunately for nature, I can't see how that could happen, barring possibly a huge meteorite wiping us out.

i never took the bible literally, as the years have gone by certain situations have happened and the thought has just floated through my mind how what is written in the bible was the best advice,.

i don`t go to church, well rarely, i don`t read the bible much, or rarely, yet i believe because certain things have happened to me personally i just know and believe, and i don`t expect anyone to understand unless they have been to that place

 

[tristar]

I have a theory that , despite the almost certain probability that there are other planets in the universe that sustain some form of life , we have not been able to make any form of contact with them because they have evolved along the same lines as us . Given the very likely probability that humans will cause their own extinction , it is possible that this has also happened to other ' intelligent ' life forms when they reach a similar point in their own evolution ie there is either no similar intelligent ( I use the term lightly ) life to make contact with because it has not yet evolved to that point , or that it has evolved to that point but it has then made itself extinct . We reach a certain point and then we cause our own demise . Maybe we're not supposed to rule the world for ever . I suspect not . I actually find it very comforting to think that humans will gradually die out but the earth will go on and , yes , we may have caused chaos , but the world will recover and heal itself . Nature will recover , new life forms will evolve to replace the ones we have wiped out .' Intelligent' life may or may not re emerge , but if it does I suspect it may well follow the same pattern . Maybe it's supposed to ?
Sorry - bit deep for a wet Tuesday lunchtime .

our very existance is proof of the possibility of life on other planets, if they are better than us why would they want to come and make themselves known, i can`t see any advantage in engaging with savages.

the present pandemic is proof of our fragile hold on domination of this planet, will we be the authors of our own destruction, i have no clue, pandemic, politics, global warming need rapid response, when i meet someone nice i`m in awe of their humaness its really something special to behold, when i am with a special horse i just know there is so much more good in life than can be explained easily, i try to tune in to the higher level of being and energy because it is there for me if only i let it be, its like leaving all the material temporary manifestation of the world aside and feeling the liberation of life forces, its very freeing

not sure if the every dog has its day thing is there somewhere, or the fall of the roman empire, where things once dominant and grand are cyclical, it rises and falls and sometimes becomes extinct, or if we learn some great lessons some power somewhere will kind of save us

 

[Cortez]

Given that human nature seems to be pretty standard over time, I suppose that the bible has some useful tips and tricks. The old testament part is quite interesting (what kind of drugs were they on?), but speaking as a historian, taking advice from the Bronze Age may not be the best plan for the circumstances pertaining nowadays.

 

[tristar]

Given that human nature seems to be pretty standard over time, I suppose that the bible has some useful tips and tricks. The old testament part is quite interesting (what kind of drugs were they on?), but speaking as a historian taking advice from the Bronze Age may not be the best plan for the circumstances pertaining nowadays.

it may seem outdated but some messages are like chanel clothes, classic


bit like gramps`s advice on horse training, some things will run like a vein throughout time and will only be fully understood and appreciated when the time comes when they are needed

but understanding why we are in mess may only be understood by looking back and seeing where went wrong, surely? and learning from it

 

[Cortez]

it may seem outdated but some messages are like chanel clothes, classic


bit like gramps`s advice on horse training, some things will run like a vein throughout time and will only be fully understood and appreciated when the time comes when they are needed

but understanding why we are in mess may only be understood by looking back and seeing where went wrong, surely? and learning from it

Broadly agree, but one of the most depressing things about having a broad overview of history is how very little we ever seem to learn.

 

[tristar]

Broadly agree, but one of the most depressing things about having a broad overview of history is how very little we ever seem to learn.

perhaps the lesson is learned when it is needed, sort of out of necessity

 

[Cortez]

perhaps the lesson is learned when it is needed, sort of out of necessity

No, the point about human nature is that we do not learn from our mistakes.

 

[ycbm]

No, the point about human nature is that we do not learn from our mistakes.

Have you seen how they propose to stabilise the melting roads in what should be the permafrost, that's now melting due to man made climate change? Use more petrochemicals to run machinery to freeze them. Honestly, you couldn't make it up!
.

 

[tristar]

No, the point about human nature is that we do not learn from our mistakes.

i am mainly referring to myself, i do try to learn from mistakes, that is how i have survived and succeeded , not everyone is the same