Famous stallions' quirks

oldvic said:
The Lusos that I have worked with have been quite thick with a rather silly streak and quite heavy headed. (A bit wooden mentally and physically!!!).
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i had a lovely luso mare, very sweet, almost brainless but so king, was also very chuncky
 
muffinthemule said:
What a great thread! Fascinating. Totally jumping on the band wagon but can anyone tell me anything about Golden River offspring? I have one and he is a touch...erm...unique so would love to hear about others.
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I had a lovely mare by GR sweet tempered, didnt like being overly fussed, jumped a bit, sensible to hack, but a pain in the arse to catch, nice mare though, but very short strided
 
GCC said:
anyone had a Jus De Pomme offspring? Just been offered the ride on
one this week
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Had 3 out of my Jus De Pomme mare who was sadly pts last year, mares was a sweetheart, so kind, loveble, big substantial girl, was to old to ride when i got her but she moved straight. Both youngsters are very different by different sires too, eldest with No complaints on sire line, is sharp, sensative like one to one, but not very giving and you could be doing things over and over and he wont improve, his full sister is the opposite, brave, bold and wants to do stuff, last years colt by a winningmood stallion is amazing, inquisative, clever, sane, and stunning and not for sale!!
 
chipsy said:
does anyone have any "its the business" "oscar" or " caeser van de helle" horses???
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Had a stallion in the yard, chunky horse, worked hard, never stupid, bit green but could be very cheeky, give him an inch and would take a mile, talented, had a filly out of him who was lovely
 
stolensilver said:
Many posts ago someone asked about the Trakehner Va Tout. I had the misfortune to own a Va Tout daughter. She was 16hh, pretty, superb paces, enormous jump, the only horse I've ever taken over a 5'6" hedge and had a foot to spare when she wasn't even trying. She had a 7' jump in her and probably more.

She was also crazy. So stressy in the stable she almost kicked her way through a breezeblock wall. So stressy in the field she ran the fence from the second she went out to when she came in. One summer we decided to tough it out and leave her in the 70 acre field with 7 other horses for company till she calmed down. 4 days later she was still running the fence...

I had help from a guy who had evented to European level. She jumped a parked car with him out on a hack one day because he'd asked her to stand still at a junction and she didn't see why she should. She took me over several dry stone walls at the side of the road with no rhyme or reason and most worryingly, no warning. She tried to double barrel cars as they went past you. She did that with no warning either.

I later learned that with her previous owner (I bought her age 5) she regularly reared over backwards. She didn't do that with me but she was ridden every single day and treated very carefully. Asking around my Va Tout was not unusual. A small % of his offspring are super. Most are nutcases.
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Really interesting SS, I have a mare who's dam sire is Vatout, she is also stressy when put in an unknown situation. (nothing like your mare though!) She has incredable trainability and is very intelligent, she is by Royal Dance (Rohdiament x Donnerhall) so I presume the trainability comes from them.
Her dam has produced a licenced stallion and a GP gelding both in Germany. A friend of mine has a Va Tout mare who she competes at PSG, my friend is not a confident rider!
 
koeffee said:
Had 3 out of my Jus De Pomme mare who was sadly pts last year, mares was a sweetheart, so kind, loveble, big substantial girl, was to old to ride when i got her but she moved straight. Both youngsters are very different by different sires too, eldest with No complaints on sire line, is sharp, sensative like one to one, but not very giving and you could be doing things over and over and he wont improve, his full sister is the opposite, brave, bold and wants to do stuff, last years colt by a winningmood stallion is amazing, inquisative, clever, sane, and stunning and not for sale!!
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mine has Jus De Pomme in the sire's lines and Heartbreaker on the mares side, He's nice but isn't half bouncy really up and infront on me to ride, but he'll go all day!
 
Used to ride a big jus de pomme mare, she was about 17.2hh, massive ears, massive jump and a total sweetheart to deal with - i would always have one again!

it's the business - i know a few horses by this stallion, all of whom are fairly sharp, but in a competitive way. they love to win but are also extremely sensitive. They are also oddly normally all super careful infront!!

I've dealt with a few quickstar horses, all of whom have been mega mega sharp and opinionated. one was 15.1hh and the other was 17.2hh, and both of them would have jumped a car if they were asked to. They live to jump and are the boldest horses i've ever ridden. the 15.1hh often used to jump two stride 1.10m doubles with just one stride in between. now he was a proper athlete, but was a bit of a thug to ride!

Does anyone know anything about the stallion Jasper? I know he's referred to as the 'little one', but after that i cant find out much more about him temperament wise and what kind of horses he throws!
 
bellatrix said:
Does anyone know anything about Cavalier (Royale) offspring?
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We have had quite a few of these, still have a couple and now have several out of Cavalier mares, they are some of the best we've had. All super talented, scopey, brave and love to jump, very quick and competitive too. Can be quite playful and quirky though, happy to go over anything spooky but at times not so keen to go past it! The ones we've had have all been great on the ground and very easy to do though. We have a Cavalier stallion currently and he is a pleasure to ride and handle, not sharp at all but buckets of scope and ability, has jumped 1.30's successfully with a 16 year old girl. As you have probably guessed I'm quite a fan of them!
 
Wow I love this thread! I wrote my undergrad dissertation on genetics and breeding, particularly in the TB world, would love to write a book on it *geek*

A brief bit of my experience would be (although not all stallions in use anymore):

Saddlers Wells - very true to type, often heavy on the forehand almost always bay with pretty white markings, stupidly thick manes!

Cloudings produced some amazing looking colts but often slow to mature

Silver Patriarch wonderful, wonderful, temperaments but not always good in first time mares - biiiig foals

Rainbow High short, ugly duckling foals with 'go on then, make me attitudes'

Golden Heights Got a screw loose. Volatile isn't the word. Jekyll and Hyde. However, give them a job and full time work and they are super talented.

Olympic Lux Very talented well built and keen, will go like a train on the gallops/cross country
 
Know 3 homebred Jumbo offspring - all 3 mares, 2 very easy, one quirky.

One by Renkum Valentino - straightforward but can be stressy - box walks and weaves when anxious.

Anyone know a horse by Limbo? I have one by him - very uncooperative horse.
 
Very interesting thread! Does anybody have any experience of Indorado or Cornet Obolensky horses?

We had a quick star mare who was exactly as described above! She would jump a house but nothing we did would change her way of going or curb her enthusiasm for jumping. Also have a jacorde (by concorde) gelding who is extremely kind natured and easy to work with.
 
It's an old one but my aunt has a mare by Brunswick. All her foals have had a particularly bolshy streak, with a vile nap. :-( amazing jump when brain is in the right place. I heard same from most people who has a Brunswick offspring
 
Bit short on dressage lines here :D

Jazz offspring - hot hot hot but very talented, not usually for he faint-hearted or amateur rider.

Flemmingh & Donnerhall lines - very rideable, nice to handle.

Ferro's - nice temperament and trainability but quite sensitive.

My old lady is by a local TB stallion from very old-fashioned lines. He was known locally for producing a lovely temperament even with quirky mares. He only had around 30 offspring but they are all really tough little horses like him. He lived into his late 20's and to my knowledge the only one of his who died before the age of 20 was one due to colic and one that died as a foal.
This is my mare's lines http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/lucky+miss+perrier
She had a beautiful but quirky Mum but is her sire through and through. Easiest horse I ever backed. Amazing temperament, very trainable and has definitely inherited his toughness as she has managed to come sound at the age of 23yo after almost severing her SDFT last year! She is very like her sire in one trait - she loves her bed and lies in the most weird position with her head and neck up the wall on top of a heap of shavings she has created. He did exactly the same, he also whinnied in his sleep which she also does.

I have two Mooiman (Flemmingh x Roemer) offspring out of the above mare and is fascinating to see how the traits have mixed. I have a 6yo chestnut (!) mare who has been even easier than her Mum to back. I didn't do it due to time constraints but she was happily hacking out 4 days after being sat on for the first time! Both lines mature late (her dam didn't stop growing until she was an 8yo!) and I have certainly seen that with her and left backing until she was almost 5yo. Took her to her first dressage party last week and apart from baby mistakes was an angel, first test bit backward then just took a deep breath and went forward as normal for the second. This all in a very spooky venue. She never chucks the towel in either, even when she is tired she keeps trying for you. Did have a few 'teenage' moments last autumn but soon got past those.
The 2yo colt has a mischievous streak like his sire but has the same sweet nature of both parents.
One trait that has continued down from the grand-sire is the sleeping habit - both do the same as their Mum down to the whinnying in their sleep :D
 
MandyMoo said:
I have seen this as well! ridden a couple of them and they have been very laid back! (but talented)

My horse Monty is by Graf Magna, related to Graf Grannus and Graf Fennmaster, and have been told by numerous people that the Graf line are all very brave and talented, so make good eventers... however are a bit sharp and silly with EVERYTHING that isn't put infront of them as a jump...!!! Which to be frank, is so true of Monty and another Graf horse i know of, so talented and will jump anything, but walk them PAST jump and they look at it like it is going to eat them!!

Clover lines always seem to make very good jumpers.

But looking at this thread, it does prove that breeding and characteristics and quirks passing onto offspring really is still debatable!!!
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I have a count alaric/graf grannus gelding. Absolute cross country machine, nothing fazes him juping and competing, if.... he has the right rider! And he feels he has to pick them. Otherwise he just won't pick his feet up SJ. Huge, and sensitive but 100% pure talent, and never had a time penalty.
 
Gingey said:
Anyone with racing knowledge know anything about Green Desert and his progeny?
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Green Desert is a SMASHING stallion - he stood and is at Shadwell's Nunnery Stud and really smashed a lot of boundaries. He's by sire of sire's Danzig. He's a fabulous looking chap and often throws stong, butty, smallish racy types. Green Desert himself is also a sire of sire's. A truly amazing racehorse (sprinter) and stallion :)
 
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Sportznight said:
He was a complete shite as a yearling! But then a lot of Storm Cat's are!

Montjeu fillies - stress heads, as are King's Best fillies (would take a Montjeu filly over a King's Best any day!)

Gone West mares - delightfully sweet and kind natured!
Pleasant Colony - big boned/framed horses with generous natures.
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I have a Gone West gelding but he is a total barm cake!! Retired now but still likes to show us all his tummy button and jog sideways too and from the field with the odd leap in the air thrown in for good measure : ) Fabulous in the stable though and kind - just a tad highly strung!
 
Oh and really brave - not spooky - and with a fab jump on him which was only discovered after racing! He was not tough though - always a niggle or something wrong with him. Nureyev was his dam sire.
 
4faults said:
Haha I have to agree with the Ramiro Z as I am currently on my third mare of his lines.

My Broadstone Landmark boy is kind with an amazing personality, very cheeky and loveable.

Does anyone have experience with Concorde babies?
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My mare has Concorde as her grandsire, she is challenging and a bit quirky but this has got less as she's matured, otherwise a very sweet loving horse who tries very hard when she's not too scared!

Also, she is completely incapable of standing still
 
My horse is by Qyou De Longvaut, who is by I Love You

I love you is by Alme, I understand they are all show jumping bred.

Anybody heard of them ?
 
What an interesting thread! :)

I know a chestnut mare by Carnival Drum who has a lovely temperament and is very talented.

Does anyone have any information on Star of Orion, Future (by Florestan I) Marmite D'or or Apache Run offspring?
 
Rafferoo said:
I have a Gone West gelding but he is a total barm cake!! Retired now but still likes to show us all his tummy button and jog sideways too and from the field with the odd leap in the air thrown in for good measure : ) Fabulous in the stable though and kind - just a tad highly strung!
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I have always found Gone West's to be very very very sharp!! The fillies tend to be worse than the colts. All good fun :)
 
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