Famous stallions' quirks

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MandyMoo said:
I have seen this as well! ridden a couple of them and they have been very laid back! (but talented)

My horse Monty is by Graf Magna, related to Graf Grannus and Graf Fennmaster, and have been told by numerous people that the Graf line are all very brave and talented, so make good eventers... however are a bit sharp and silly with EVERYTHING that isn't put infront of them as a jump...!!! Which to be frank, is so true of Monty and another Graf horse i know of, so talented and will jump anything, but walk them PAST jump and they look at it like it is going to eat them!!

Clover lines always seem to make very good jumpers.

But looking at this thread, it does prove that breeding and characteristics and quirks passing onto offspring really is still debatable!!!
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I have a gelding who has Graf Magna as a grand-Sire and he is exactly as you descibe. He is also the most tricky, complicated creature I have ever come across but despite this is always impeccable to ride just on the ground he is a sod! I have known him since birth and owned him since rising 2 so know he has never been mistreated. Also knew his Dam very well and unfortunately he is nothing like her at all very much his fathers son which is a shame. Also has navicular aged 12 :( He has major water phobia so can't see him making an eventer!

Also have a mare by Secret Rumour who was Grade A and ridden by Nick Skelton. She is amazing and I would actively look for another by him she is very talented (instructor reckons int eventing- not with me I hasten to add!) but is also incredibly easy to deal with good to clip, shoe, catch, box and I genuinely think I could hack her down the M1 if I wanted nothing phases her. This is very refreshing as my other two are quirky to hack and in other ways. She is a true allrounder amateurs horse. Also looks a lot like her sire with a distinctive white blaze. Know nothing about the dam except she had a weatherbys passport so can't comment on how much is down to her.
 
Gingey said:
Anyone with racing knowledge know anything about Green Desert and his progeny?
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I have one by Desert Prince, Green Desert is my boy's grandsire. Extremely talented and generally very trainable but he is quirky. Do you have one by him?
 
I have an Imperial Frontier and I've found him to be sharp, tricky in the head, forward thinking but wonderful to handle. Non competitive and will try almost anything.

Any info on Presenting? Out of curiosity really.
 
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Has anyone got a horse by Shambo? Mine was the nicest boy you could ever wish to meet. Temperament to die for, handsome, trainable, scopey and 100% honest. Unfortunately he wasn't as co-ordinated with his legs as he could be and the more schooled he became in dressage, the tenser and more hoppy he became. He was never going to be a dressage horse but he loved jumping and was so honest. Little tear as I remember!!
 
Aces_High said:
Green Desert is a SMASHING stallion - he stood and is at Shadwell's Nunnery Stud and really smashed a lot of boundaries. He's by sire of sire's Danzig. He's a fabulous looking chap and often throws stong, butty, smallish racy types. Green Desert himself is also a sire of sire's. A truly amazing racehorse (sprinter) and stallion :)
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kirstyl said:
I have one by Desert Prince, Green Desert is my boy's grandsire. Extremely talented and generally very trainable but he is quirky. Do you have one by him?
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Yes, I do, Green Desert's his sire :) Sold for a huge amount as a yearling, raced well for a few years and had a few wins, then from what I'm told basically lost interest and was sold as a 7yo. I bought him just before he turned 9, and we do a bit of everything. Had him for 2yrs now but we've only really 'clicked' and properly unlocked his potential in last 9months or so! He is pretty cracking to look at, and naturally athletic but definitely quirky. Main issue we've had is that he is a real overthinker and is easily worried (took us months and months to regain his jumping confidence once he'd had a bad experience) but he's a genuine trier with a big heart :D Nice paces and big scopey jump too. And his gallop- Wow! :eek: He really can cover the ground, I'd happily gallop him all day :D
As you can tell I'm quite a fan of him... :o
 
Badders said:
Hi Mavis007, I know a Numero Uno gelding who is just the same as yours, he belongs to my sj trainer. "Ernie" spends his life dreaming up cheeky new tricks, loves sticking his tongue out, loves playing with the yard dogs and will pick up/ trash anything left within reach. He's a very careful jumper and hates to touch a pole, a bit sharp to ride, but a very sweet boy.:D
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Ernie (Zillion S) is my horse's full brother, a year older! He is very similar in looks and just mirrors your description! He's spooky, but that's what makes him so careful. :)
 
Gingey said:
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Yes, I do, Green Desert's his sire :) Sold for a huge amount as a yearling, raced well for a few years and had a few wins, then from what I'm told basically lost interest and was sold as a 7yo. I bought him just before he turned 9, and we do a bit of everything. Had him for 2yrs now but we've only really 'clicked' and properly unlocked his potential in last 9months or so! He is pretty cracking to look at, and naturally athletic but definitely quirky. Main issue we've had is that he is a real overthinker and is easily worried (took us months and months to regain his jumping confidence once he'd had a bad experience) but he's a genuine trier with a big heart :D Nice paces and big scopey jump too. And his gallop- Wow! :eek: He really can cover the ground, I'd happily gallop him all day :D
As you can tell I'm quite a fan of him... :o
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Lovely to hear about yours. Mine too was sold for big bucks as a yearling, then went to race in Hong Kong at 2.5 yrs. Apparently didn't race as injured but interestingly did come back to England and hurdled and National Hunt flat raced here - I say interestingly as it's been made clear to me on H+H forum and other places that generally horses don't come home from HK so someone must have thought a lot of him - I haven't managed to find out who. I took him on in an emaciated state in 2010, I've now had him two years and he is going well, we've competed quite a lot prelim dressage and he's won and been placed. He's lovely to jump, really polite and careful. His canter is fantastic! Yet he's quirky and can get worked up extremely quickly. His nimbleness and athletic ability is not a bonus in these situations! Still - he's gorgeous, and a gentleman to handle and ride (most of the time) :)
 
QUOTE "I have a Fleetwater Opposition homebred who is quite challenging, and, like a lot of his apparently, really likes 'waving to the crowds'." QUOTE

Yes I have on like this. He is black and far too intelligent for his own good! Anytime I take him anywhere all I have to do is say he is a Fleetwater horse and people immediately understand why he is the way he is.
 
Elroon - have friend who has mare by him - sharp, big but talented. Not novice ride.

How about Canadian River? (BWB) or Scindian Magician/Good Apple Mare? have heard Good Apple had quite a temper.
 
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Anyone know anything about Diamond Mine offspring? He has Flagmount Diamond and King of Diamonds in the ancestry and I think one of Oli Townends horses is by him - ODT Sonas Rovatio.

I have a Diamond Mine mare and she is incredibly sweet (a bit daft as well).
 
What a thread, took me a while to get here!

I did have a mare that had Sadler's Wells paternal Grandsire and Danehill maternal grandsire.

She is bay, white socks, white star and has a massive arse! She was lovely to handle though. You'd think with that breeding she'd be a good racehorse, but was utterly useless!

I have 2 by Yarland Summersong (Fleetwater Opposition) having met him in person he waves to anyone, not just a crowd. He is an utter show off!

He supposedly throws hot offspring, but my two are anything but.
 
I love this thread!! does anyone know anything about verdi offspring? I know that Quidam de Revel can throw rather hot offspring with a top jump, but I don't know anything about verdi... anyone? :)
 
My boy's sire is Giants Causeway. He is head strong and stubborn but tries his heart out! We have had him since a 5yr old (now 9) and he is the nicest natured boy :-)
 
I have a Voltaire grandson(out of a Conto mare). He is the double of his sire&grandsire. He is very clever,lots of character,very nosey,a complete show-off and thinks a lot of himself! However,in the stable he is extremely affectionate and a real people person (he'd rather be with the humans than the horses I think!) and ridden he always tries to please,picks things up very quickly but can,(if he doesn't find what you're doing particularly interesting),be lazy. He is huge movement (DR says biggest trot she's ridden) and is brave&keen SJ & XC (1st time took him xc,jump instructor said he was bravest 5yr old she'd seen-he was gagging for more!) He can be a pig to handle on the ground if it's windy/rainy/he's on one (but I think that's due to the fact he was gelded late & is still coltish in many ways.) I'd have another tho:)
 
What a very interesting thread! Loved reading all these and find them fascinating. Has anybody and experience of the below?

Love the comment about Rainbow High and couldn't agree more, the 4YO is exactly the same, short, ugly duckling, well put together but a truly 'make me attitude'.

Primitive Proposal gelding: unbroken to date but so far an absolute gem, kind, genuine and actually a bit boring. Extremely well put together, moves well and has a lovely attitude. Heard they can be very sharp so this autumn will tell!

Stanhopes Diddicoy gelding: very sharp, holds a grudge And has a slight attitude and can be bad tempered.

Randi fillies : had 2 in for breaking and were polar opposites. One very sharp, sensitive and a little argumentative. The other a saint, as genuine as the day is long, superb jump but very big and slow maturing.

zahaar : Had 2 geldings for breaking. Both absolute pigs. Bad tempered, mean spirited and naughty. Horrible animals.

Kalanisi's : Very, Very sharp, say no more!

Aflora's : Known of lots, all very sweet, big, late developers, honest, genuine and will try their hearts out.

Regal Bronze, Fillies: very, very sharp and liable to temper tantrums.

Royal Blend : Absolute fruit loop! Highly talented and workable but extremely sensitive.
 
I've got a KWPN, his grandfathers are both Lux and Ramiro. His dad being Niveau. Got a cracking jump and is the most laid back thing in the world - although I often describe him as being a bit 'special needs.' Just finds life a bit difficult sometimes I think...:eek:
 
This is an interesting thread - seeing as it is a couple of years old it would be interesting to hear if people's youngsters are turning out to be 'true to type'.

One line that I love is a racehorse line - Elusive Quality/Elusive City - such sweethearts and fabulous conformation and movement (for a thoroughbred). From what I can gather though they are highly regarded in the racing industry too, so prizing them out of racing while they are young and fit is a bit of a game of luck.

I've ridden four Puissance's and owned one and they were all sharp as tacks and could buck for Ireland, but when you got them on side they would bust a gut for you. They were the type of horse that if you pointed them at the moon and asked them to jump it they would have had a bl***y good go! I would have another one in a heartbeat.

I've ridden a few Animo's but they were all very different, and I've heard a lot about other stallions but haven't had experience of enough of them to comment. Recently I've heard of a lot of quirky horses from the Bazzars lines.
 
Mine's Cruising and Clover Hill and is stupidly sharp/spooky - again, I'm no pro so not sure about the professional's horse thing! Used to get really excited when I saw other Cruising horses at big competitions (Master Crusoe!), until I realised that Cruising must have had gazillions of babies as there are so many by him... :O
 
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Megan my boy's neighbour is cruising/clover hill. He's CH on his sire's side, cruising dam line. He is as laid back as they come but very talented jumping horse, jumping newcomers now with lightweight amateur lady rider, despite being 17hh and 7' long!
 
Megan my boy's neighbour is cruising/clover hill. He's CH on his sire's side, cruising dam line. He is as laid back as they come but very talented jumping horse, jumping newcomers now with lightweight amateur lady rider, despite being 17hh and 7' long!
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That's so cool! Is he careful? Ours took lots of time to get confident over the fillers but doesn't like to touch a pole :)
 
Megan97 said:
Mine's Cruising and Clover Hill and is stupidly sharp/spooky - again, I'm no pro so not sure about the professional's horse thing! Used to get really excited when I saw other Cruising horses at big competitions (Master Crusoe!), until I realised that Cruising must have had gazillions of babies as there are so many by him... :O
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Master Crusoe is by Master Imp though! :)

Out of a Cruising mare alright. :nod:
 
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