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Heres a different way of looking at it. You could be right, tense baby etc, etc, or what your seeing could be the start of soundness issues and thats whats making him tight and tense. I'd say I'm 80/20 on the unsound/tense baby issue. I really do not like the way he moves. The last one I saw moving like that had PSSM. Lots of excuses were made for that one a well until its behaviour got to bad and PSSM was eventually found.
 
Leo Walker said:
And then bog had soundness issues didnt he? I cant remember the timeline of events exactly, but I do remember the feet issues.
You got lucky with Bog. He came right. He could easily have not come right though. Its why I stopped messing around with really cheap projects. Eventually you get your fingers burned and you get one that doesnt come right.
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He had an old abscess which escalated into seedy toe in a hind hoof, and then bone bruising in front feet which vet felt was likely compensatory...

Stayed sound for two years then went lame after an event on hard ground.. cams sound again v quick but I took it easy.

I’d always watch his front feet though.
 
Leo Walker said:
Heres a different way of looking at it. You could be right, tense baby etc, etc, or what your seeing could be the start of soundness issues and thats whats making him tight and tense. I'd say I'm 80/20 on the unsound/tense baby issue. I really do not like the way he moves. The last one I saw moving like that had PSSM. Lots of excuses were made for that one a well until its behaviour got to bad and PSSM was eventually found.
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Yeah. Probably right. Still like him. I’ll wait for the videos from the seller, have asked for quite specific ones!
 
Michen said:
Argh guys why am I so novicey/stupid that I don’t see an issue with the back end in the trotting up type video. I just see tense, not knowing wtf is going on, probably yanked out of stable in the video.

I dunno I just do not think Bog would have presented any differently. But obviously that’s made me totally biased
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I’m not half as experienced as most of the posters on here, but I do tend to have a good instinct for spotting when something is off, and the trotting video is an absolute red flag for me. There’s definitely something not quite right with him.
 
Michen said:
You all like the Arab! Would be flighty as anything!
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Or not. You can't really tell without meeting the horse. My grey is very sensible and yes she can flag her tail and prance but she is easy, easy, easy. You'd probably find her dull after your connie. My gelding has a bit more spark but he's still OK for my knackered and neurologically challenged self. Here's vid of an arab meeting pigs for the first time :) 1.50 onwards.

 
Meowy Catkin said:
Well no-one can accuse me of not being biased. :D How about this chappie? I think he could be very marketable once riding nicely and with a few outings under his belt (if he's safe and sound). Could be a keeper though if the breed is your cup of tea.

https://www.preloved.co.uk/adverts/show/119713448/black-pure-bred-arab-gelding.html?link=/search?keyword=arab&sectionId=3365&advertType=forsale

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Are Arabs out of fashion at the moment? That seems very cheap for such a nice looking horse.

I agree about the temperament, they look flash, but mine was doddle to ride he was my first horse, and only four!

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He is beautiful.
I've always been wary of Arabs since my 2nd pony , as a kid, was a loaned young green , badly brought up, late cut , 6 year old arab. Ok not a good choice for a kid 2 years out of riding school. His owner was a non-rider farmer who had bought him to show. He used to buck me off in ever more imaginative ways. Someone once told me Arabs are either good or bad in temperament I don't know if that is true.
Mr H, allegedly unregistered welsh x arab, is a poppet.
Sorry for rambling
PS just read ycbm's last sentence!
 
That bay Connie pony is just a catalogue of ‘nos' I think you would be mad to consider buying him.
- Never tracking up
- Pokey movement in front and behind
- Fairly obvious hip drop in a couple of the videos
- No right rein canter shown
- Never jumped from the right rein. He landed right canter once and they were very quick to pull him up
- Never straight, always bent outside, particularly coming into the jumps
I like his jump and I wouldn't mind the cheeky 'might have a buck' bits if that was in conjunction with a sound, happy horse.
 
What about this? Bores me somewhat, literally just been sat on in the yard so only have videos of it lunging over a fence where it seems sweet enough, certainly not sparky. Rising 4 which isn’t ideal.
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Amymay said:
Reviewing the other videos and now this one, I wonder if he’s got a bit of a nap in him?. Such a shame he’s to far away to look at in the flesh.
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Oh I’m sure he does! As did Boggle, we spent a LOT of time napping on long reins etc.

I think my expectations are just totally lowered from what they should be ?
 
Meowy Catkin said:
Or not. You can't really tell without meeting the horse. My grey is very sensible and yes she can flag her tail and prance but she is easy, easy, easy. You'd probably find her dull after your connie. My gelding has a bit more spark but he's still OK for my knackered and neurologically challenged self. Here's vid of an arab meeting pigs for the first time :) 1.50 onwards.

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can I just say, I absolutely love the way you talk to your horse! At first I thought you were talking to another person ?
 
Michen said:
Argh guys why am I so novicey/stupid that I don’t see an issue with the back end in the trotting up type video. I just see tense, not knowing wtf is going on, probably yanked out of stable in the video.

I dunno I just do not think Bog would have presented any differently. But obviously that’s made me totally biased
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The other videos, as I said, I did not 'like' the movement, but having visited the yard and ridden a similarly produced one, I would have gone and had a look as he does look a sweet type if you were to put the work in. The one I looked at was sound, no doubt in my mind. For under 4K, it would have been worth the trip based on my previous viewing.

The trotting up the driveway video was a no no. He is not level in his steps behind in my opinion, and the energy does not come forwards as it should. The energy thing itself is not the red flag on one so green, it is the uneven steps and drop on one side.

Part of me wants you to go get him still and prove us all wrong, as I would not have bought Boggle either and he has turned out fab for you. When you posted the lame lungeing videos a few years ago I thought it was all over for him, especially combined with the naughty behaviour. I doubted you, I confess, as much as the horse, as you had issues before which were not resolved (bear in mind I was only going on history as I have never met you or spoken with you either). But, you proved me wrong and took the bull by the horns and got him sorted. You gave him treatment and time when he needed it, sourced schooling when you needed help, arranged a sharer - I take my hat off to you. The latest posts, Boggle has been a credit to you.

But, you asked what people think, and the final video makes me say a resounding no. The last one did not just look unbalanced to me. It is not an exact science, the horse may well be sound and easy. But, based on the latter videos he would not interest me enough to travel, let alone buy off the internet.

This would be whatever the next videos show. I would not buy off a video ever, not just for this horse. For me, I need to like the feel of the horse. Also, on the topic of buying off a video in general, buying off a historical video, you won't know if the horse has had a touch of Bute, or 10 other videos taken, that were not successful before the wonderful video that is sent. Videos are OK to screen horses that you would then like to view, ride in person, and then vet within a day or two. If a horse is worth buying unseen in your mind, then he is worth viewing IMO. But then I say this and you have had a fine adventure with Boggle.
 
Michen said:
Yeah. Probably right. Still like him. I’ll wait for the videos from the seller, have asked for quite specific ones!
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I actually do quite like Flash and its quite possible that all the issues you are seeing are slightly manufactured. He is 4 and he may have been rushed or hassled. Lots of horses are at this age and their movement after starting etc is not always brilliant. He is a native too so won't move like a warmblood of course. Having said that my 4 yo who has had very, very little work (probably ridden less than 20 times at this point) would do what Flash is being asked to do with less irritation evident (I have not asked her to start jumping though). The irritation and the lack of strength and balance would make me more cautious than other things at this point. I would worry that he is not especially happy about being ridden for whatever reason and that is why he moves and carries himself in that choppy and upright way - he may have decided that he doesn't like it essentially which would make things harder for whoever takes him on and makes actual real physical issues more difficult to assess. If I really liked him (to buy) then I would probably look him over VERY carefully but in this instance he is a pony I would prefer to see unstarted. He is a nice chap. He will mature, strengthen and gain confidence and enjoyment in all likelihood. Also, in his favour is the fact that he is of good stock, his breeding is known and he is a native!! He is a bit 'something' at the hind and I would prefer stronger quarters and better hocks but none of them are perfect!!
 
palo1 said:
ps Arabs and their part breds can be fabulous!! I have a part bred and would have another at the drop of a hat. :)
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Me too, as a 16yo I had a Welsh sec d X arab.

Could have been a disaster I guess, but he was a superstar! Hunted like a champ, brave, careful, forgiving and sound. I only sold as an 18 YO when I started doing open team chasing and a 15.2 welsh X arab struggled with the width of the hedge/ditch combinations. He went to a family who had worshipped him for years and could not believe their luck to actually own him.
 
Michen said:
What about this? Bores me somewhat, literally just been sat on in the yard so only have videos of it lunging over a fence where it seems sweet enough, certainly not sparky. Rising 4 which isn’t ideal.
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I think she looks quite sweet! She is straight through the shoulder which will make for choppy strides, but she is a pony so to be expected! I’m sure others who know a lot more than me will be along shortly!
 
Amymay said:
Why not find something nearer to home that you can just go out and have fun on?
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For my budget there really is hardly anything that’s going to be ready to go out and do stuff. For the amount I want to spend its going to have to be a youngster really. I’m not too fussed about going out and *doing* stuff, I think I’m a bit of a happy hacker at heart, I’m more enthused about a project. Not sure why!
 
Amymay said:
Why not find something nearer to home that you can just go out and have fun on?
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For my budget there really is hardly anything that’s going to be ready to go out and do stuff. For the amount I want to spend its going to have to be a youngster really. I’m not too fussed about going out and *doing* stuff, I think I’m a bit of a happy hacker at heart, I’m more enthused about a project. Not sure why!
 
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