Fletching ride ends in tragedy (Sussex)

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I heard this on the local radio station this evening on the way to the yard. It's so very sad.

Fletching ride ends in tragedy
Published on 06/07/2013 16:49
http://www.sussexexpress.co.uk/news/local/fletching-ride-ends-in-tragedy-1-5250289


A mother and daughter’s quiet morning ride along country lanes near Fletching ended in violent tragedy.

On Sunday, June 23 Jo Flew and her daughter Joanna, 20 were out riding their two horses along Daleham Lane. But their morning ended in shock and terror when a group of about 20 cyclists streamed past, causing Jo’s horse to kick out in panic.

Jo said: “We knew a cycle event was taking place but we had no idea what time. On our way home it became apparent that it was happening.

“A few bikes raced past which was OK as our horses were used to them. But then looking behind us there was suddenly a large number in groups of about 20, but only seconds apart.

“As they came past our horses became very frightened. We felt like we were being swallowed. This caused my horse to kick out at the bikes but instead it kicked my daughter’s horse, Willow, in the leg.”

Jo described her agony as she saw Willow’s leg was broken and was hanging by the skin. Joanna was screaming.

She went on: “I could not believe the bikes were still pushing through! Two very kind ones stopped, dismounted and came to help. I was in so much shock I couldn’t work out even how to use my phone.”

Joanna, who works with horses, managed to use hers and called someone from the yard where she kept Willow. But Jo said: “The girl had huge difficulties getting to us as she was coming head on into the path of the cyclists who, again, had no respect for other users. She asked them to let her through as she was going to an accident but was verbally abused.”

When she arrived, three separate vets were called and it was almost an hour before they found one from Uckfield who was willing to come out. “They then had the horrible job of putting our lovely horse, Willow, to sleep at the side of the road. This has to be the most horrific thing I have ever witnessed.”

Jo now feels these cycling events should be better organised, with the participants staggered from the start. “And cyclists should have more respect - they are in racing mode, nothing else seems to matter.”

Rupert Rivett, from SRS events which staged the Etape de Sussex event, said: “We always tell our cyclists to slow down if they see horses, and they nearly all do.

“The last thing I want to do is add fuel to the flames, and I desperately want to say that horseriders and cyclists should work together to ensure safety on the roads. Everyone is entitled to use these roads; cyclists, motorists, walkers and riders. I would not like to say either way who was to blame.

“One of our riders was a policeman and he gave us a clear-eyed view of what happened. What we do not want to do is get on the bandwagon accusing cyclists or vice versa.”

He insists riders did not abuse the driver and believes they called out to indicate an accident. Cyclists are advised to make a noise - he recommends a clicking sound - well in advance of passing a rider so the horse can hear it. “Fuelling the anti-cycling or anti horse brigade does no good. We should work together.”
 

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I read about this.

I have infinite patience for good cyclists - or road users of any sort, but this is unforgivable!

I wholeheartedly agree with working together. Things need to be improved for both parties.

R.I.P poor pony. I hope something can be learnt from this.

But that's the problem, isn't it? We only seem to learn something after someone is killed.
 

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I am very sorry to read about this tragic and avoidable accident and my sympathies go to the horse riders concerned..

About 12 years ago there was an accident in which a horse rider was seriously injured as result of a cyclists road race. The advice was that cycling road races should be accompanied by a lead vehicle which would stop the race when they had to pass horse riders so that the horse riders had time to get well clear.

I would suggest that the organisers of all cycling events that are held on public highways or public rights of way adhere to the above advice.
 

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There are lots of cyclist road races round here, the worst I have seen gladly is a huge tail back of traffic as none of them are willing to pull in....this just beggars belief! Good on those that stopped and tried to help, but how shameful that they were in such a minority!
 

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That statement makes me feel sick. It is a very thinly veiled attempt at saying the cyclists weren't to blame. Disgraceful attitude.

I have motorbikes, we aren't allowed to have road races without the roads being closed. My horses have always been more bothered by bicycles than motorcycles. You can hear motorbikes coming. Most cyclists seem to think they can just pass you at 30+mph just a few feet away and you can't hear a thing. I also get extremely annoyed at a general lack of manners.

Not all are the same, but I know what I see and it isn't good.

RIP poor pony and really am thinking of the women involved :(
 

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I drive a lot for my job, and am often held up for a mile or more by inconsiderate cyclists! Not a very balanced view sorry, they drive me nuts round here, riding 3 abreast, very very very rarely acknowledge you for almost grinding to a halt until it is safe to pass, they ride on major haulage routes..... just beggers belief! As a horse rider who makes every effort to pull in or trot on, wave traffic on if safe, and say thanks to every other road user who I may have inconvenienced, the behaviour of the majority of cyclists just incenses me!
 

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That statement makes me feel sick. It is a very thinly veiled attempt at saying the cyclists weren't to blame. Disgraceful attitude.

I have motorbikes, we aren't allowed to have road races without the roads being closed. My horses have always been more bothered by bicycles than motorcycles. You can hear motorbikes coming. Most cyclists seem to think they can just pass you at 30+mph just a few feet away and you can't hear a thing. I also get extremely annoyed at a general lack of manners.

Not all are the same, but I know what I see and it isn't good.

RIP poor pony and really am thinking of the women involved :(

I must say that apart from one horrific incidence in my teens when my Arab x NF and I were actually chased by a motorbike, most riders off road seem to stop, turn off their engine and wait a minute or two! I hope my goofy smiles and waves encourage them to do the same for the next neddy they meet :D
 

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Surely if there is a race the organisers should think ahead and there should be warnings put up - weeks ahead - advising the date and time of the race etc.

Back in May my work took part in a sponsored bike ride along a disused railway line. I questioned whether they had informed the yards that they would be passing and they hadn't as it hadn't occurred to anyone (as no one was horsey).
The time they would have been passing these yards - mid day on a weekend - was prime hacking time. So I took it upon myself to message some folk I knew were at yards they were passing.
 

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We have hundreds of these race things round here and only one of the events gives a warning..
In all the years i lived here not one has ever said thank you regardless of car/van walking or riding.
They ride in clusters all the time and it should be banned. Every weekend from spring they cycle and theres always a problem. They cut us up when driving, whizz past the horses and block up entire streets. They will not stop for anyone.

Im all for cycling and i know that there are a lot of good out there go are polite and considerate but the racer types are never. Its incredibly poorly organised and imo something needs to be done asap.
 

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I am sick to death of cycle races on the roads, we have so many round here. I can't imagine how horrible it must have been for both Willow and her owners.
 

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How sad. We have a few cyclists around here but I only go out early. One of the cyclists seems to enjoy the peace of this time too. He is very curteous. Slows down and says "hey girls" to the horses. They can hear he is a person approaching and so they don't care. As a little oddity I will share the story of when Abba was a youngster living free and easy. Her field used to be on the road. Groups of cyclists used to come by at the weekend. As soon as she'd see them she took off with her ears pinned and galloped along the hedge and fence til they were gone. Such a weirdo.

One thing in that article that struck me was that cyclists were advised to make a clicking sound as they approach. I can't see that has helpful as most of us click for forward motion. So clicking plus cyclists could be a disater. I think just talking and saying I'm here and about to come by or something. Horses seem to deal with easy talking and it's not so scary. But doubt that will work in a fast group.

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We have a cycle event alternate Monday nights through summer directly past our yard. It is because there is a route of about 8 miles or so where every turn is a left hander so no giving way at right handed junctions. The event is a time trial and more than once I have been caught up in it with cyclists who simply refuse to slow down or obey normal highway code in case it spoils their time!! The huge groups of cyclists who seem to "hunt in a pack" on Saturday and Sunday mornings are one of the main reasons I bought a lorry this year so that I can drive to safer hacking :( I know there are good and bad horse riders and cyclists but I come across far more cyclists who refuse to move in or ride in single file for traffic than I do horse riders.
 

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Cycle races are the worst organized events ever! Abd I use the word 'organized' advisedly!

There was one two years ago near home. No warning signs whatsoever. Held up the traffic for half an hour. I was trying to get through to pick up my daughters. No-one was allowed through! They even had a policeman to stop cars! Flaming ridiculous. Arrogance apart, a few well placed signs would have warned other road users and I for one could have chosen a different route.

Before anyone jumps on me, I do cycle as does the rest of my family, but we're not ignorant oiks who think we're part of the Tour de France and in the blinking pelaton!

I am so sorry to the people in the article, for their experience and their loss. Rest in peace lad.
 

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Whatever the rights and wrongs of the incident in the OP, these road cycling events are dangerous and should either be banned or controlled much more tightly. It is illegal to race horses and cars on the public roads but these cyclists seem to get round this by saying they are time trials not races. However, the fact remains that they are chasing a time and this prompts many of them to behave in a discourteous and dangerous manner to all road users, not just horses. We encountered one last year when driving - came round the bend of a country lane to find a group streaming towards us on both sides of the road trying to overtake each other and they were gesticulating at us to pull over to let them past, rather than retreating to their side of the road.

I don't have a problem with normal everday cyclists, but these cycle sportive events are a totally different ball game.
 

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What a disgusting statement. And even if someone might think they could justify blaming the rider of a frightened animal for what happened, nothing can justify those horrible individuals who could cycle by the scene of an accident, ignoring an animal in distress with an obvious serious injury. Even the Grand Prix stops for an accident to allow relief to get through.
Loads of cyclists are really great with riders, but I despair of those who seem to think they are something special on the road and above the normal levels of courtesy.
Yes, these road events and "races" should be properly regulated. Nobody is entitled to turn a public road into a racetrack and use that as an excuse to ignore the normal consideration that should be given to others.

My heart bleeds for everyone involved in this horrible and avoidable accident.

In fact, I hesitated to type the word accident. To continue past a situation that anyone could see was getting dangerous is almost like attempted manslaughter... Because horse riders (never mind the poor horses) don't dent - we die.
 

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The stress they must of gone through in trying to find a vet,waiting for them to arrive,and trying to calm horses down then go through having it put down and removed doesn't bear thinking of, on what should of been a pleasant safe hack.
 

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I can't believe that the roads aren't closed when there is a race, with officials, cones and escort cars. That is what happens here in south Africa and we are supposed to be a third world country !
 

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A horrendous incident :( It was in H&H News article in the 4th July Issue - "Cycling boom causing danger for riders", It says it happened on the 16th June.

Last weekend when I was riding two groups of 10 or more cyclists cycling fast together belted down one of the bridleways which is also a tarmacked private estate road. The came over the brow of the hill and someone yelled "horse" and they did slow down with screeching brakes. I was wearing a hi-viz tabard even though I was not riding on a public road and luckily my boy doesn't seem bothered by them. I've not seen this type of fast group riding in the woods before. It does make you wonder though if you can be safe anywhere now :(

On the whole I have found most cyclists (mountain bikers) polite and courteous. Last year I got caught up in the middle of the Wiggle south-east rough ride - I had no idea what the "Wiggle" signs meant. I do believe my hi-viz tabard with "Please pass wide and slow" really helped. I make a point of chatting to cyclists and being friendly the last thing we need is a them and us war.

I do think it is bizarre that race riding events can be run without any consideration for other road or public right of way users .
 

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Part of the issue is that whereas horse riders would be delighted at safe off road alternatives being provided, the current cycling craze is for on road racing bikes, which are built for speed but completely unsuited to ever going off road, so councils can't even solve the issue by providing multi user routes off the roads, as they wont use them, for these cyclists the only thing they want to ride on is Tarmac.

For me anything that involves any kind of timed element (any number of riders over 5) or any ride at all over 10 riders should be subject to pre notifying potentially affected premises along the route or habitually using the route. There could be a list of these and with Internet FB etc it would be relatively easy to get most people informed.

Up here in Scotland despite the access rights when we have an endurance ride (again not a race but optimum time bands, the landowners/occupiers are informed and consulted. I don't see why cyclists can't exercise the same courtesy. And just as riders are eliminated in an endurance ride for safety and welfare related things eg heart rate, lameness, so riders should be disqualified from races for not following the highway code in relation to other road users eg with horses passing wide and slow and calling out to warn of their approach.
 

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“One of our riders was a policeman and he gave us a clear-eyed view of what happened. What we do not want to do is get on the bandwagon accusing cyclists or vice versa.”

And assuming the policeman was not experienced with horses what they probably saw was horses behaving in an irrational and erratic manner not realising that the actions of the cyclists and the sheer number was the reason for this behaviour.

We get a lot of cyclists round our way and some organised events (including on bridleways) and there is never any advance notice.

Mostly they are well behaved but for some as soon as it becomes a competition and they are worried about their time then it's a case of as fast as possible regardless of the cost. One recently cut in between myself and a car that had kindly slowed down and pulled out to pass me. I could have caught him just by turning my toe out a little and the slightest wobble from my horse would have hit him sideways and probably sent him under the wheels of the car.
 

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One recently cut in between myself and a car that had kindly slowed down and pulled out to pass me. I could have caught him just by turning my toe out a little and the slightest wobble from my horse would have hit him sideways and probably sent him under the wheels of the car.

This exact thing happened to me!!
When I was walking Ned to his new home, a bike squeezed between me and a van :O had Ned kicked out or moved, he could have sent the bike under the wheels.

It's starting to be an epidemic in my area. We've always had bike races, but I LITERALLY have been held up every time I went to my "old new" yard, despite there being a bloomin' cycle path right next to the road.
I nearly hit someone on that same stretch of road because yet again, they were on the road, not on the cycle path. I had spotted the two riding single file and since the road is wide enough to over take, even with on coming traffic, I went to over take...as I was over taking, they suddenly decided to ride side by side! I had to slam on my breaks to avoid him!

Another one, cycling in front of me didn't stop at a roundabout, even though it wasn't his right of way and was nearly hit!

I've not ridden for a while now, so I can't really say anything about that.
 

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We're very sorry to hear about this extremely sad incident.

We would very strongly encourage anyone who experiences a safety incident while riding out to report it on our dedicated website, horseaccidents.org.uk. Statistics really do make a difference and by logging a quick report, you’ll help us lobby for changes to make riding safer for all.

We also have a leaflet on the subject of sharing the roads with cyclists, which is available for download on the website (email safety@bhs.org.uk or call 02476 840516 for hard copies). This leaflet was approved by British Cycling, Cycling Time Trials and the CTC.

The programme for road races which are run on the highway has to be agreed months in advance and the organisers have to get police permission at least eight weeks prior to the event in order to run it. Therefore, there is no reason why an event can’t be advertised widely so that horse riders are aware. One of the rules of British Cycling for organisers is that they notify all local riding establishments to make them aware of the event taking place.

The time trialling programme for open events on the public highway has to be agreed at least 12 months in advance; for club events (which usually take place in the evenings during summer), there’s a shorter time scale – generally about nine months in advance. However, all time trialling events under CTT Rules & Regulations have to be notified to the police at least 28 days prior to the event and are run in accordance with strict rules regulation and meet strict risk assessment criteria. Numbers of riders are strictly governed.

There are a number of other organisations who organise events on the public highway and it is the sportive type of event where many hundreds, often thousands, of riders take part, and these are generally the ones that cause more disruption, such as in some of the posts above. These events are not generally governed by any officially recognised cycling organisation and are largely a free for all.

Unfortunately, like equestrians, not all cyclists belong to a responsible organisation or take notice of advice given to them.

If you have a problem with cyclists in the area, or events that take place where you ride, contact the local cycling club and see how you can help each other towards better understanding. We can supply as many leaflets as people have outlets for. Bells on bikes are really a thing of the past, but shouting out is easy. There is room for us all provided that a little courtesy, consideration and common sense is shown for each other – however good we all are, there will always be those riders (whether on two wheels or four legs!) who will be ignorant and arrogant, and sadly we cannot be held responsible for them. Working together we will all be safe to enjoy our respective hobbies.
 

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I am so sorry to read this, I feel dreadful for you and your poor daughter, what an awful thing to happen!
Where I am they hold a lot of these biking events and I have had some nasty moments, a whole load of them came towards me and they could see my horse was frightened , he was spinning and half rearing and yet they seemed oblivious to it and carried on talking loudly and generally not giving a damn!
I have also had them try and push past me in an underpass, one day they are going to be injured by a horse as they are on the whole so damn stupid when they are in a big group!:(
 

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But how can you find out the organisation? After the incident I mentioned i thought about contacting someone to ask them to talk to their riders but despite googling variations on place names, road and cycles found nothing.

Luckily my horse is brilliant with traffic and cycles but not all are and there are a lot of stables in the area and bridlepaths linked by stretches of road.
 

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I'm with TGM on this one - these events need to be controlled and publicised better so that cyclists and horses can try to avoid one another. We have an annual half marathon that comes past our yards and whilst it's nuisance that the road is closed at least it prevents what could be some awkward moments and we can plan to ride in a different direction or stick to the school that morning.
 

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Why are cyclist allowed to use racing bikes with dropped handlebars on public roads as these bikes reduce the cyclists' ability to see far ahead. I was once walking a youngster in hand on a bridleway, on my own land and had a cyclist try to ride between me & the pony. He hit the leadrope & fell off. He didn't see the leadrope & the bike caught my arm too.
Luckily my pony was unscathed.
The guy wanted to call the police but I beat him to it and he got a stong telling off from the boys in blue.

I had the satisfaction of watching him hobble away - at least a mile each way to a main road - as I wouldn't give permission for a friend to pick him up.

Vets should be able to get police escorts in cases such at the OP.
 

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Good advice from BHS - thanks for this.

BUT the problem, unfortunately, is only going to get worse as more and more cycling enthusiasts think they're Bradley Wiggins and set off with no road training or common sense and just think all they have to do is hoon along quiet roads.

In the old days, certainly when I was at school, we all had to do Cycling Proficiency Test, but nowadays anyone can just hop on a bike and get on the public highway....... and then cause mayhem.

I am sick and tired of inconsiderate cyclists; I'm not anti-cyclist per se, my lovely late father was a member of the Cyclist Touring Club and I have lots of memories of dad with his bike. I really think there is a time for the Powers That Be to have a look at this whole thing. They're encouraging cycling as its "green" and giving over a lot of money to cycle paths etc etc (which they're NOT doing for horse riders), but the problem is that there is no identifying mark for a cyclist, like there is with a motor vehicle. Insurance is not compulsory, and this is something which needs addressing if cyclists are going to be encouraged onto the roads like they are at the moment. About 1% have any inkling of how to safely pass a horse & rider - one kamakaze idiot when we were out riding on Saturday came right up behind our horses and then pulled out to pass us JUST as a Man with White Van was coming the other way round a blind corner. Man with Van reacted exactly like any other motorist would, and hooted at the idiot cyclist. Thank god both my horses are fine with cars hooting, simply because every time I pass their field in the car (it borders the road) I hoot at them so as to get them well used to it. But this could have been yet another tradegy if it had been a child or novice on board or a less tolerant horse involved.

Because we're on a hill here, we did get some cycling people doing time trials here a while ago. Although we live on the route, and the event took place on a Sunday morning when everyone (dog walkers AND riders) were out, we got no warning whatsoever. Luckily we were not riding at the time, but apparently there were about 75 cyclists out on the road in various groupings, going like the clappers, and we locals were not made aware of it beforehand :(
 
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The programme for road races which are run on the highway has to be agreed months in advance...
The time trialling programme for open events on the public highway has to be agreed at least 12 months in advance...

There are a number of other organisations who organise events on the public highway and it is the sportive type of event where many hundreds, often thousands, of riders take part, and these are generally the ones that cause more disruption, such as in some of the posts above. These events are not generally governed by any officially recognised cycling organisation and are largely a free for all.


Indeed. The Etape de Sussex is a sportive. That is a group "ride", not a "race". Yet the general thinking within the sportive world is to go fast. So in effect a sportive is an unmanaged group road race. But as it's not officially a road race, it doesn't fall under the legislation that road races do.

Many racing cyclists who do time trials or road races see sportives as giving them a bad name - lack of rules or regulations, riders all over the road, crossing the white line, bad bike-handling skills, lack of courtesy for other road users.

Many of the sportive cyclists come into their sport just by buying a bike and very few of them belong to cycling or triathlon clubs. So there's no having learnt how to ride a bike in company or on the road or past road hazards as you would pick-up if you joined a traditional cycling club. No "apprenticeship", just straight onto the Formula 1 bike and out onto Silverstone...

I don't know what the sportive liability insurance specifies in terms of road signage but I would have thought they have to put up some sort of signage? Both road races and timetrials have to as terms of their insurance.

But sportive-organisation, like triathlon and other mass-participation event organisation, is BIG money and can be a lucrative business to set up in. Entry fees are routinely £30-35 and with no ban on maximum rider numbers, unless the organiser voluntarily puts one on, there's potential for a lot of conflict with other road users.

I'm really sorry to hear about Willow. It's a stupid, senseless accident which could easily have been avoided, and terribly awful that the OP has lost a good and muchloved horse.
 

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Why are cyclist allowed to use racing bikes with dropped handlebars on public roads as these bikes reduce the cyclists' ability to see far ahead.


That's total rubbish. I've ridden and raced dropped handlebarred bikes for 40 years and always been able to see ahead. There is no need whatsoever to ride head-down with a dropped handlebar bike.

In timetrials and roadraces, anyone seen by an official or reported by a fellow competitor to be riding "head-down" faces an immediate ban from competition.

The bloke who hit you would clearly have been riding head-down which is a senseless thing to do.
 
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