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The new advert makes him sound more saintly than the previous one.
Can only hope that there will be full disclosure of his behavioural issues when people enquire I suppose, but that will make for a very frustrating sale process with that advert as a starting point.
The jumping looks nice enough in the vid, but it's a while since I've seen a horse kick up dust that badly at walk...he does rather slipper along
I saw that as well and thought it a little strange given the posts made about the horse thus far. I do wonder if he was owned by "an owner" who sent him to a series of pro-riders who handed him back. Then the decision was made to pass him on to an unsuspecting new person who is now stuck with an unsuitable horse for them whether due to pain or temperament?
I dont think the OP should be hung just yet. No one knows what's happened between this threads last update and now.
Lots of recommendations were made re work ups and sending him for schooling and or sales livery with a pro. Who's to say that hasnt happened?
People posted to stop BE for now and OP has. No one knows if horse has been out to unaffiliated and if he has how he behaved.
It could be as simple as OP overhorsed themselves and the new behaviours couldn't be fixed when the pro got in him at an event. It could have been an extreme clash of personalities or something could have been found and is now fixed/treated/managed/changed.
Who's to say what seller is telling people once they physically go to view the horse. If it's with a professional to sell then they have their rep to consider too so why would they risk jeopardising their reputation for one horse. There might not even be anything to tell other than rider ans horse didnt click and sensitive horse took full advantage of that? We dont know.
It's clear that OP and horse aren't working out so what is she supposed to do? She obviously spent a lot of money purchasing him and the costs of getting him checked by vet/schooling/sales if applicable.
We all know from being on here that the written work can be misconstrued so much better to discuss a quirky horse face to face having first gauged the experience of the potential buyer.
I'd imagine that the asking price is low for what that horse has achieved and what there is potentially capacity to go on to do. I'd also hazard a guess that you are, in general, more likely to attract a capable rider with the right experience/less daydreamers in that price bracket than you are listing him as a 1k project.
I dont know OP or their situation but if I'd spent that kind of money I couldn't afford to just write it off and we also dont know if, for example, non horsey parents helped out and they dont want to see the money just disappear. We have no idea what other factors may be at play.
We've all made mistakes and we've all posted on here when emotions have been all over the place. OP was clearly upset, stressed and worried in this thread. They took the advice on board and pulled the adverts and some time has passed when 101 things could have happened to rectify the situation and no one knows the real story of what has happened and is going on.
The horses and OPs name is out there. There were posts on a FB eventing page. It's a small world and most people know to google etc so I'm sure OP and/or sales agent are aware of that and will act accordingly. Heck for all we know and based solely on assumptions already made maybe previous owner bought him back to get him going and is selling him now. If OP no longer owns him (and on page 1 or 2 she writes that shes contacted previous owner to explain what's been happening and get advice) then nothing in this thread, apart from possibly that he got the all clear when x-rayed, is currently relevant. Bottom line is we have no clue and unless we are looking to buy that horse it's none of our business.
Heck I bought a horse and it transpired that he was known on here. Apart from the best friend of the poster no one had seen said horse in the flesh or spent any time with him yet they all thought they knew him based on threads on an internet forum written by a stranger (young teen) that they liked. Their opinions based on that were somehow more valid than YOs, vets, farriers, dentist, trainers and other experienced friends who met the horse in the flesh!
Maybe people on here who aren't directly affected and dont have the full and current story should just chill a bit. OP was in a difficult situation so maybe give her the benefit of the doubt until proven otherwise.
His recent and extremely dangerous behaviour is indeed relevant to an ad for a horse who is being described as a saint and easy to do, barring chucking in couple of advisories that he is ‘not suitable for nervous or novice riders’.
Remember that Dan commented that he felt that he might be bucked off at any moment, it’s not just a clash with the OP and this horse.
There is a market for tricky but smart looking horses, but this current HQ ad is not being upfront at all, is it.
What TP said below but also to add- the money is irrelevant. If you purchase a horse unless insuring loss of use up to the eyeballs you have to accept that you are likely to lose the purchase price. OP is currently advertising for another horse, looking for one with a “substantial budgetâ€.
Needing the money back doesn’t give you the right to then potentially wrong someone else out of their money.
As for the horse, regardless of if he’s now suddenly a saint, his past behaviour was dangerous and there is no way in a matter of months anyone could wholeheartedly say that was “fixedâ€. Perhaps after a year of eventing with immaculate behaviour but certainly not now.
I feel for op in one sense but having been in the situation of being sold a horse with a known rearing problem, I completely accepted I had to write off my 4K (which btw, I had a bank loan for) because I certainly couldn’t re sell her. I was lucky the seller settled out of court but in my mind the money was gone and for me that meant not being able to afford another horse (hence then taking one on loan). Op is clearly not in this position when she is currently looking for another eventer.
Sorry, maybe I’m harsher than others as I’ve been on the receiving end of this, but this whole thing is wrong.
I feel for the poor horse as well.
So many people on this forum cant wait to stick the knife into people
I don't think that's really fair. TP is being quite direct but I think it's a bit of a leap to say that her motivation is to stick the knife in.
It wasn't aimed at any particular individual it was a general statement based on 15yrs experience of this forum
Personally I think there is enough on this thread for an astute buyer to pick up off a google search and make their own mind up. And a non astute buyer won’t see this thread anyway.
I don’t like the advert. But TPO has a very valid point.
Personally I think the HHO mob culture could drop this one now.
As for the horse, regardless of if he’s now suddenly a saint, his past behaviour was dangerous and there is no way in a matter of months anyone could wholeheartedly say that was “fixedâ€. Perhaps after a year of eventing with immaculate behaviour but certainly not now.
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I agree with this. Max was 'fixed' according to the rehab livery people - physical issues sorted out. Behaviour impeccable. I could have put him up for sale then. But I wanted him well behaved in full work for 6 months before I would sell on hence the loan agreement that ran till October. That was to protect him from ending up being passed from pillar to post and to protect future buyers. Then the old behaviour very suddenly reappeared and he reared repeatedly and went over with a pro on board who said she would never get on him again and nor should anyone else. Cost me a lot to wait and see - and now I am stuck with him! - but I am bl00dy glad I did. I could not live with myself if I got a call and he had done that and severely injured or killed someone I had sold him to, knowing his potential for dangerous behaviour. This horse was described 2 years ago as best suited to dressage and spooky. This does not sound to be like a short term, uncharacteristic episode with an over-horsed owner but a very tricky horse.
I do appreciate all that TPO is saying and I agree OP is doing the right thing selling on and I think there s a market for a horse like this. But it is at best wishful thinking to describe him as genuine and always wanting to please so soon after putting his rider in hospital! Perhaps there is full disclosure when people ring up but the ad should in my view, read 'needs an experienced rider', rather than not suitable for a nervous novice and should get rid of the fluff that makes him sound Saintly.