For those against Rollkur.....

[Marydoll]

I doubt it really if it works for them and they still get high marks they are not going to change, the tide is turning and correct work is being marked highly, but I still dont see how 30 people walking around in hoodies is going to change anything!

Itll make people who dont know question, and i for one will put my money where my mouth is and try to do something rather than sit back and do nothing.
As in all walks of life there are people who will stand up for the right thing, and others who'll say whats the point, i prefer to be a doer, especially in relation to horse cruelty, i think you may find many more than 30 will sell.

 

[HappyHooves]

Someone posted here earlier that the tops would not be ready for next weeks events. How about some cloth paints/pens for a bit of DIY ? If I could only get tickets for next week I'd willing write on a tee shirt and show my support for the STOP ROLLKUR group!

 

[ElphabaFae]

Just a thought for the future, how about some 'Say no to rollkur' car stickers? I think you could make them through Cafepress?

 

[M_G]

Car stickers would be fantastic, let us get the polo's, hoodies & saddle cloths done first (this was only thought of late yesterday afternoon) I know the company doing these are working all out to get them done and on sale ASAP so huge thanks to them & massive thank you to all of you that are being a voice for these horses which although fed and watered are still being abused

 

[xspiralx]

If they can be delivered to ireland ill get one for sure ! hate seeing show jumpers and dressage riders doing rollkur ! Marcus ehning for example:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m-qaXlmaEFU

That's not rollkur.

The horse is in a snaffle it looks like, and he actually has a soft contact - there is a big difference between that and using brute force in a strong curb bit to haul a horse's head in.

 

[Jackson]

Just a thought for the future, how about some 'Say no to rollkur' car stickers? I think you could make them through Cafepress?

I would happily design one if it was needed

 

[spotty_pony]

Please can I order one?

 

[ElphabaFae]

I would happily design one if it was needed

*Like*

 

[xxlindeyxx]

That's not rollkur.

The horse is in a snaffle it looks like, and he actually has a soft contact - there is a big difference between that and using brute force in a strong curb bit to haul a horse's head in.

Look at the 16 second mark then .

 

[xspiralx]

Look at the 16 second mark then .

Yes, and? He pulls on the rein to flex the horse and then releases.

I repeat - that is not rollkur.

Rollkur is defined by the FEI as "flexion of the horse's neck achieved through aggressive force." To me that was a light pull and an immediate softening when the horse softens - he did not have to use his strength against the horse and he did not use force to hold the horse in that position.

 

[Pinkatc]

Could you PM me with details please? I'm happy to do my bit to say no to Rollkur!

 

[Burnttoast]

Look at the 16 second mark then .

And this is why I can see the point of those who say that the photos taken at Greenwich are just 'moments in time'. However, it can be guessed, probably with some degree of accuracy, that the flexions at Greenwich were rather more sustained than those shown in this video (tho there is as yet no proof of this).

Yes, and? He pulls on the rein to flex the horse and then releases.

I repeat - that is not rollkur.

Rollkur is defined by the FEI as "flexion of the horse's neck achieved through aggressive force." To me that was a light pull and an immediate softening when the horse softens - he did not have to use his strength against the horse and he did not use force to hold the horse in that position.

Yes, *requesting* a horse's attention and submission with a soft, brief flexion and mobilisation of the neck (whether or not it needs to be repeated) is a different matter to *demanding* it over a period of several minutes with a curb, a fixed hand and most of the rider's body weight. Whether either practice is to someone's taste is another matter again.

 

[M_G]

Pinkatc pm on the way

 

[flower08]

i have sent a pm, id like a adult and child one please

 

[Goldenstar]

Look at the 16 second mark then .

No that's not rolkur you better get clear about what you are complaining about.

 

[Dowjones]

Can you pm me too please if postage to Ireland is ok?

 

[Natch]

Can I put my name down for a top please?

I have just inadvertently stumbled across the company who are manufacturing them on facebook, didn't know it was them! can I name them, I think they deserve to be promoted...?

 

[igglepop]

Where do i sign to get a top.

 

[joeanne]

Can I put my name down for a top please?

I have just inadvertently stumbled across the company who are manufacturing them on facebook, didn't know it was them! can I name them, I think they deserve to be promoted...?

Very sadly the thread would be pulled if you did so....
However a quick FB search for the group M_G mentioned will quickly point everyone in the right direction.
It has to be said that the company owner is doing this totally at trade with a £1-2 donation PER ITEM going straight in Equine Market Watch's funds and helping other equines in need!
Thank you sounds a little inadequate when you think of it!

 

[joeanne]

And for those that missed it.....
http://www.facebook.com/TurnYourBackOnRidersThatRollkur

 

[xxlindeyxx]

Just found this thread
http://www.horseandhound.co.uk/forums/showthread.php?t=15329&


Defo some Rollkur going on .
Although nice to see some riders that dont have their horses necks bent at all

 

[xspiralx]

Just found this thread
http://www.horseandhound.co.uk/forums/showthread.php?t=15329&


Defo some Rollkur going on .
Although nice to see some riders that dont have their horses necks bent at all

I've come to the conclusion that you don't really know what Rollkur is.

 

[mightymammoth]

This may have been posted already but here's the link to the petition against Rollkur for anyone who would like to sign or share it

http://no-rollkur.com/

 

[joeanne]

There are some very good "Rollkur Explained" videos on youtube that explain what rollkur is.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4UwqyMCr_7c
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jyozYRj2oz0

 

[xxlindeyxx]

I've come to the conclusion that you don't really know what Rollkur is.

Then why are people in the thread saying that there is rollkur going on !

Also found this on stabletostable
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N5vkFc9piX0

 

[xspiralx]

Then why are people in the thread saying that there is rollkur going on !

Also found this on stabletostable
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N5vkFc9piX0

Because there is Rollkur going on, but not in the examples you've posted (with the exception of the Anky video)

 

[xxlindeyxx]

Because there is Rollkur going on, but not in the examples you've posted (with the exception of the Anky video)

Look ill admit i dont know a lot about it, but in the pics of the WEG there were one or two where the horses were oberbent

 

[xspiralx]

Look ill admit i dont know a lot about it, but in the pics of the WEG there were one or two where the horses were oberbent

Yes - but a horse being overbent is not Rollkur, which is defined as "flexion of the horse's neck achieved through aggressive force."

There is a difference between a horse being worked in an overbent outline and flexed with a light contact, and one having it's head hauled into a very deep outline with a strong pull on a curb bit, and held there for minutes at a time.

I would genuinely suggest doing some googling on the subject before throwing accusations around that certain riders are performing rollkur when you don't really know what it is.

 

[ElphabaFae]

Maybe this might help?

First pony is just overbent:

But this horse is being ridden using Rollkur:

Can you see a difference now?

 

[xxlindeyxx]

Maybe this might help?

First pony is just overbent:

But this horse is being ridden using Rollkur:

Can you see a difference now?

Yes thanks for clearing it up in a Nice way