Fox baiting

[Fiagai]

Its pretty shameful how rude you lot are and it seems anyone who disagree's with you gets labelled a troll. Its called the Hunting Forum, not the Pro Hunting Forum. The kids i teach to ride are more mature.

I somehow very much doubt that Archina. Its called the hunting forum - because it is for those with an interest in Legal hunting activities. There is no "pro Competition Riders forum" either! Why should those who have such interests be open targets for every crackpot who wants to sit on their own soapbox?

With regard to "trolls" It is the behaviour of such posters that identifies individuals as trolls and not just refering to them as such. Being "nice" to such individuals is not going to persuade such posters who are openly being abusive and inflamatory to desist from such behaviour. The quicker such individuals are identified and left to their own devices the better for all concerned.

 

[EAST KENT]

Anyway..it`s a HUNTING forum this..and seeing as little fluffy foxes are "out of season" err sorry illegal.. we`ll have some fun hunting trolls. Back under t`bridge now with you.

 

[Archina]

The OP doesn't seem like a troll to me, specially since he did debate with you all on the topic over a period of time. Ive always been the type of person that likes to know about both sides before making a decision hence why i come on to the hunting forum and yes i am anti but i would never imagine speaking to all of you in the same way you have spoke to the OP. You choose to reply to the post, whatever happened to being the bigger man?

Fiagai - You also dont have to be a competition rider to post in that forum either and i highly doubt H&H is going to create an illegal hunting forum are they? (though i suspect it would be the most popular!) The hunting forum is an open forum where anyone can come, read and comment. I would also like to hope the 'anti's' have an interest in all hunting, not just illegal. You make yourself a target by responding in such a rude/offensive manner. A soap box is not much use without a crowd. Ive read through the entire thread and i cant see were the OP is being abusive? Also, he wasnt really left to his 'own devices' was he? If he had been then i very much doubt the thread would have reached 12 pages long.

I am not to sure who i agree with as i dont have a lot of experience with terrier work and the entire thread has confused me slightly. In all instances of when a fox goes to ground do you block of every hole and send the terrier down then dig out the fox, or do you leave an exit open so the terrier can flush it out?
I have worked with birds of prey and been on many a hunt with a few birds and ferrets, is it the same thing?

 

[Archina]

Anyway..it`s a HUNTING forum this..and seeing as little fluffy foxes are "out of season" err sorry illegal.. we`ll have some fun hunting trolls. Back under t`bridge now with you.

Its that kind of attitude which made me post in the first place. I am not a troll, but i am sure you could be labelled as one, as it seems your only interested in provoking a negative response from me.

 

[Fiagai]

The OP doesn't seem like a troll to me, specially since he did debate with you all on the topic over a period of time. Ive always been the type of person that likes to know about both sides before making a decision hence why i come on to the hunting forum and yes i am anti but i would never imagine speaking to all of you in the same way you have spoke to the OP. You choose to reply to the post, whatever happened to being the bigger man?

Yes over a period of time where the posts in the main were abusive and inflamtory despite many posters patiently discussing the issue with him! As stated it is the behaviour of such posters that identifies individuals as trolls and not just refering to them as such. The regular members of this forum are in the main knowledgeable and pleasant individuals. But they are not fools.

Fiagai - You also dont have to be a competition rider to post in that forum either and i highly doubt H&H is going to create an illegal hunting forum are they? (though i suspect it would be the most popular!) The hunting forum is an open forum where anyone can come, read and comment. I would also like to hope the 'anti's' have an interest in all hunting, not just illegal. You make yourself a target by responding in such a rude/offensive manner. A soap box is not much use without a crowd. Ive read through the entire thread and i cant see were the OP is being abusive? Also, he wasnt really left to his 'own devices' was he? If he had been then i very much doubt the thread would have reached 12 pages long.

You are missing the point Archina. For example I may "hate" competition riders but I am not going to start posting on that forum about how they are abusing their horses causing them "Unnecessary Suffering" and being "Cruel". I might "dislike" golf courses and believe that they are destroying the planet but I am not going to turn up on a golfing forum and start berating them just because I dont like golf! If someone who has a genuine question about "legal hunting" then posters are more than happy to reply in a genuine manner but not when an OP is taking the proverbial...
As to the OP not being abusive in your estimation...here is a very very small selection of the type of stuff posted...

Your cack handed attempts to distance so-called terrierwork from the murky world of animal baiting is truly a marvel;

I really don't think you are mature enough

After the pasting you've been given

Your latest corker...

Just when I think you can't possibly get any further up your own backside, you surpass yourself.

I am not to sure who i agree with as i dont have a lot of experience with terrier work and the entire thread has confused me slightly. In all instances of when a fox goes to ground do you block of every hole and send the terrier down then dig out the fox, or do you leave an exit open so the terrier can flush it out?
I have worked with birds of prey and been on many a hunt with a few birds and ferrets, is it the same thing?

The confusion created was as a direct result of the OP ignoring the large amount information provided by posters. I believe the best thing at this stage would be to start a new thread on the subject so such confusion does not arise.

 

[Archina]

For those who would be prepared to discuss such matters with the original poster, I would suggest that you view his other posts. He's a troll. Troll's specialise in pedantic, pointless and puerile posts, which are designed to provide them with entertainment. Nothing more, or less.

Coventry.

Alec.

Ets, and if you doubt me, then read his last offering!! a.

What are you prattling on about?

Two responding comments to the OP that would get any ones back up, pretty much sets the tone for the entire thread right there.

You are missing the point Archina. For example I may "hate" competition riders but I am not going to start posting on that forum about how they are abusing their horses causing them "Unnecessary Suffering" and being "Cruel". I might "dislike" golf courses and believe that they are destroying the planet but I am not going to turn up on a golfing forum and start berating them just because I dont like golf! If someone who has a genuine question about "legal hunting" then posters are more than happy to reply in a genuine manner but not when an OP is taking the proverbial...

I dont think i am missing the point tbh. Forums are a place where people are free to post there opinions and ask questions. I do agree with you however that forums are not the place for berating/abusing other posters because you dont agree with them or dislike what they are saying/doing. The majority of us are all adults and capable of reasonable thought and discussion.

Anyhoo, will take your suggestion about starting a new thread about terrier work. Cheers!

 

[Fiagai]

Two responding comments to the OP that would get any ones back up, pretty much sets the tone for the entire thread right there.

Tbh If posters eventually became fustrated with the repeated behaviour of this poster then it is most surprising that this was the extent of the replies.

I dont think i am missing the point tbh. Forums are a place where people are free to post there opinions and ask questions. I do agree with you however that forums are not the place for berating/abusing other posters because you dont agree with them or dislike what they are saying/doing. The majority of us are all adults and capable of reasonable thought and discussion.

Agreed. The OP has plenty of forums to post his ideas on his hatred of hunting. If however he wished to discuss such issues without such behaviour then that is is a different matter entirely.

Anyhoo, will take your suggestion about starting a new thread about terrier work. Cheers!

Archina - A word of concern. Your defence of PaulTs behaviour which many posters have genuinely found both abusive and inflamatory has already resulted in a number posters no longer taking these "discussions" seriously.
I do hope that the new thread is not another PaulT type diversion....

 

[ThePinkPony]

Its pretty shameful how rude you lot are and it seems anyone who disagree's with you gets labelled a troll. Its called the Hunting Forum, not the Pro Hunting Forum. The kids i teach to ride are more mature.

TROLL!!!

sorry, couldnt help it. promise to grow up now

 

[Archina]

Tbh If posters eventually became fustrated with the repeated behaviour of this poster then it is most surprising that this was the extent of the replies.

Those quotes were said to the OP before he replied with any inflammatory remarks so I don't think you can blame him for throwing in a few of his own in answer. So is it not possible that, if those first two comments hadn't been said this thread could of been a reasonable debate without any insults being thrown either way?

Archina - A word of concern. Your defence of PaulTs behaviour which many posters have genuinely found both abusive and inflamatory has already resulted in a number posters no longer taking these "discussions" seriously.
I do hope that the new thread is not another PaulT type diversion....

My post wasn't in defence of PaulT alone, was more for anyone who receives this type of response without any justifiable reason, myself included.

I can totally understand that people get emotional and upset when someone slates something they deeply care for. I constantly have to defend Equine Rescue and Rehoming because certain people think they are a dealers and yes, it can be difficult at times when people make inflammatory or abusive remarks to hold your tongue but we are all capable of behaving decently. You dont have to be polite but you don't have to be abusive either.

I am actually genuinely interested in what terrier work entails. If its the same as ferreting then I cant exactly turn around and say 'nah, that's cruel, ban it!' without being called a hypocrite! lol

P.S. Thankyou Fiagai and A1Fie for your civil responses.

 

[Naryafluffy]

It's quite clear to any reasonable person that terrierwork and fox baiting are one and the same activity.

By this comment there seems to be a lot of unreasonable people on here and only one reasonable person. Hmmm what's the common factor here.

Think everyone should just ignore all posts from this user, no responses he'll have to find another forum other than the one on Horse and HOUND

 

[Fiagai]

It's quite clear to any reasonable person that terrierwork and fox baiting are one and the same activity

I will requote that. From your other comments I am presuming that you meant...

It's quite clear to any reasonable person that terrierwork and fox baiting are NOT one and the same activity

 

[Fiagai]

My post wasn't in defence of PaulT alone, was more for anyone who receives this type of response without any justifiable reason, myself included.

From what was posted in the thread by the OP the response that followed was both understandable and justified in my opinion. The majority of posters here are very more than willing to share their knowledge of hunting where they are able. However repeated "baiting" by those who have a hatred of any hunting interests or activities means that increasingly they are wary of answering any such posts - your follow up included. Unfortuantely sincere or otherwise opting for the OPs defence will ultimly result in forum members (rightly or wrongly) doubting the sencerity of such statements

I can totally understand that people get emotional and upset when someone slates something they deeply care for. I constantly have to defend Equine Rescue and Rehoming because certain people think they are a dealers and yes, it can be difficult at times when people make inflammatory or abusive remarks to hold your tongue but we are all capable of behaving decently. You dont have to be polite but you don't have to be abusive either.

Unfortuantely repeated occurances of such behaviour have strained normal polite behaviour to a thread

I am actually genuinely interested in what terrier work entails. If its the same as ferreting then I cant exactly turn around and say 'nah, that's cruel, ban it!' without being called a hypocrite! lol
P.S. Thankyou Fiagai and A1Fie for your civil responses.

I'm afraid I personally cant help you there as our hunt does not use terriers. best of luck in your search for information...

 

[EAST KENT]

Ooops ..we`ve changed quarry .....or someone has yet another identity.

 

[EAST KENT]

Its that kind of attitude which made me post in the first place. I am not a troll, but i am sure you could be labelled as one, as it seems your only interested in provoking a negative response from me.

Noooo, we want NO RESPONSE from you or your mates.Please oblige.

 

[rosie fronfelen]

Noooo, we want NO RESPONSE from you or your mates.Please oblige.

quite so, no more trolls please, the bridge is over run already.

 

[mymare]

Ooh!! Can't WAIT to get a terrier!!

 

[Princecharming]

If that is actual footage that hasn't been edited/tampered with then is how I feel. Why not humanely (or as close as possible) dispatch the fox while in the sack??? Was there any need to release the fox to be far from humanely dispatched by a pack of dogs??

That's absolutely disgraceful! People like this want locking up end of. Sick. This is not culling, this is getting kicks out cruelty. No need whatsoever.

 

[Archina]

Noooo, we want NO RESPONSE from you or your mates.Please oblige.

Sorry...no can do. Freedom of speech and all that!

 

[rosie fronfelen]

Sorry...no can do. Freedom of speech and all that!

Thats fine, but expect only nonsense from here on in---

 

[Archina]

Thats fine, but expect only nonsense from here on in---

Why exactly?

 

[Fiagai]

Why exactly?

I would imagine because the "garbage in - garbage out" end result. The thread was clearly set up as a "bait" for forum members (absymally failing in this objective imo) and as the baiter has now vanished its probably best for the pile of manure that resulted be left to molder....