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TheMule said:
Often buying an unbacked 4yr old is the dodgiest time to buy because someone might have tried to back it and failed (which is why the wording of the advert and the fact it’s with a professional who is perfectly capable of backing it is concerning)
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If that horse, whom I wish I had never highlighted in the first place, was backed and the photos showed him being ragged around a school and jumping fences at rising 4 years of age, there would be an outcry of done too much, ruined, unsound etc etc. The advert shows a young horse that has not been rushed and still needs time to mature, yet that is also being deemed as unacceptable. The what iffery and assumption is astonishing. The professional who is perfectly capable of backing it being concerning isn't for me. Maybe it is a professional who knows the horse needs to strengthen up before it is asked to carry a rider ?

The horse is not suitable for the OP and that is fair enough, I wrongly thought it may be of interest because of the stamp, bone and breeding on it. Plus it was cheap enough and will grow on to be a middleweight without getting excessively tall. Growing him on and producing will take a bit of time and experience plus facilities of course. Everyone has there own routine for starting youngsters, mine don't see tack until they are at their 4th birthday because they have all been big slow growing types and I am a firm believer in the less they do before they are five the more they will do after they are 15 and I also believe youngsters do not benefit from working on a surface until they are a bit older. I am old fashioned I suppose, back them at 4 and get them hacking out for the summer seeing a bit of life, not the four walls of a school and then put them away for the winter to properly get going as they rise 5.

There is no doubt at all, that buying a fully made, sensible, talented horse with excellent conformation, no veterinary history and no issues is hugely difficult regardless of how much money one has. If any of us produced one of those we would be hanging on to it for grim death and enjoying it ourselves.
 
AdorableAlice said:
If that horse, whom I wish I had never highlighted in the first place, was backed and the photos showed him being ragged around a school and jumping fences at rising 4 years of age, there would be an outcry of done too much, ruined, unsound etc etc. The advert shows a young horse that has not been rushed and still needs time to mature, yet that is also being deemed as unacceptable. The what iffery and assumption is astonishing. The professional who is perfectly capable of backing it being concerning isn't for me. Maybe it is a professional who knows the horse needs to strengthen up before it is asked to carry a rider ?

The horse is not suitable for the OP and that is fair enough, I wrongly thought it may be of interest because of the stamp, bone and breeding on it. Plus it was cheap enough and will grow on to be a middleweight without getting excessively tall. Growing him on and producing will take a bit of time and experience plus facilities of course. Everyone has there own routine for starting youngsters, mine don't see tack until they are at their 4th birthday because they have all been big slow growing types and I am a firm believer in the less they do before they are five the more they will do after they are 15 and I also believe youngsters do not benefit from working on a surface until they are a bit older. I am old fashioned I suppose, back them at 4 and get them hacking out for the summer seeing a bit of life, not the four walls of a school and then put them away for the winter to properly get going as they rise 5.

There is no doubt at all, that buying a fully made, sensible, talented horse with excellent conformation, no veterinary history and no issues is hugely difficult regardless of how much money one has. If any of us produced one of those we would be hanging on to it for grim death and enjoying it ourselves.
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Well said .
 
ester said:
In defence of sheep our ex resident sheperdess always said it was just cos people didn't pay enough attention to whether they were dying early enough :p
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Our friend had two black lambs last spring so it was immediately noticed when one went missing. Workmen had been out in their field doing something with a manhole, they didn't refit the cover properly and the poor lamb fell through and drowned in sewage :'(
 
webble said:
Sheep spend their lives thinking of new and unusual ways to die
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I was showing a Texel as a teenager that went 2ft up in the air and dropped down dead of a presumed heart attack in the ring and the South of England show - I’ve never felt like such a knob in my life 🤣
Funnily enough we didn’t win, apparently remaining alive is quite an important criteria
 
Errin Paddywack said:
I would have thought he was too old for Birker, I am sure she is looking for something younger than 17.
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Yes, these are the criteria which Birker has reiterated multiple times 🤷‍♀️. Cold backed is not something I would consider and probably not something high up on her list of acceptable attributes.

  1. I'm looking for something between the ages of 6 - 12.
  2. An ISH or a sensible WB or a cross of the two, but more likely an ISH because I need a middleweight, weight carrying type.
  3. 16.3hh - 17.1hh, certainly no bigger. Might consider 16.2hh at a real push.
  4. A gelding
  5. It HAS to be okay to hack on its own (most advertised are)
  6. Something capable of doing riding club stuff on, unaffiliated SJ/Dressage, etc.
  7. It has to be sound and sane (really?? enough said )
 
Ignoring that he's outside of the criteria, a big older horse that has been out of work for a year and is cold backed is red flag central for me..
It's funny how often rider illness actually means 'horse has gone lame'
Also I doubt the horse wants to up its work again, its usually that the owner doesn't want to pay for it any more, if he is that easy why not get him ridden again to sell?
 

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Saw this chap and thought of Birker. I don’t know anything about the sellers Argento Equestrian?? But looks like a nice sort.
 
Birker2020 said:
All the criticism about my weight and the stress and worry about Mum makes me eat more. I'm dreading my weigh in tomorrow, if I can fit it in with another hospital visit that is.
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Please do NOT let all the comments on here or all your other worries de-rail you from all the fantastic progress you have made with SW. It may be the one thing you can control just at the moment so that something good comes out of this difficult time.
 
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Saw this chap and thought of Birker. I don’t know anything about the sellers Argento Equestrian?? But looks like a nice sort.
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He is lovely and well built too 😍
 
Trouper said:
Please do NOT let all the comments on here or all your other worries de-rail you from all the fantastic progress you have made with SW. It may be the one thing you can control just at the moment so that something good comes out of this difficult time.
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Thank you, you are correct.

After going on the forum last night I ate a third of a tray of Milk Tray. I do tend to eat when bored or emotional.
 
AShetlandBitMeOnce said:
I was showing a Texel as a teenager that went 2ft up in the air and dropped down dead of a presumed heart attack in the ring and the South of England show - I’ve never felt like such a knob in my life 🤣
Funnily enough we didn’t win, apparently remaining alive is quite an important criteria
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On the bright side, being a Texel, at least you were were never going to miss seeing its beautiful face in your field.
 
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