Tarragon
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Any horse recommended by AA is going to be a good one!!
Going to view a horse!
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Amy May In A Manger
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eahotson
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Fair enough but sometimes you have to think outside the box.
Amy May In A Manger
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Why? It's about 4 miles outside the box
IrishMilo
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You do, but if someone wants an unflappable schoolmaster who can jump around a course of fillers without batting an eye, an unbroken 4 year old who is nervous and needs someone with a calm demeanour is just about as far as you can get from that and would do a disservice to both the horse and the rider.
The continuous digs at @Birker2020's weight are completely unnecessary as well. It's always the same couple of posters too - seriously do you not have anything more constructive to do than monitor someone's every lb and remind them at every turn they need to lose weight? It's bullying.
FestiveFuzz
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Sorry it absolutely wasn’t a dig or an attempt to rake over the past in my somewhat sleep deprived state I replied without realising the thread had moved on
As I think we discussed at the time, you weren’t wrong to expect the vet to pick up on any potential red flags, and the horse I went on to buy wasn’t a much better bet for other reasons so perhaps had I cast him in front of HHO I could have avoided my own costly mistake and hugely dented confidence.
Hopefully the right horse will be out there waiting when you’re ready to take the plunge again.
Birker2020
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Thank you xSorry it absolutely wasn’t a dig or an attempt to rake over the past in my somewhat sleep deprived state I replied without realising the thread had moved on
As I think we discussed at the time, you weren’t wrong to expect the vet to pick up on any potential red flags, and the horse I went on to buy wasn’t a much better bet for other reasons so perhaps had I cast him in front of HHO I could have avoided my own costly mistake and hugely dented confidence.
Hopefully the right horse will be out there waiting when you’re ready to take the plunge again.
HeresHoping
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It's a grey... and 17.1 and I don't know why it is being advertised as a Hunter... I could do some digging if you are interested:
Birker2020
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HI HH. Probably being referred to as a hunter due to time of year as nobody or very few people would want to buy at this time of year for any other reason, I'd suspect.
However, I refer you back to reply 261 paragraph 3.
Thanks though.
eahotson
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If that is aimed at me then I have never and never would mention Birkers weight.For one thing I don't know what it is.For another I struggle with my own weight so am not in a position to be judgemental.Birker herself says she struggles with her weight. Secondly my old boy could be a bit shy with strangers but he was one of the kindest and most unflappable horses I have ever known.He taught a complete novice to ride and she used to hack him out,albeit under supervision.
IMHO and this is all it is,a horse like this would leave Birker a substantial amount of money left to have the horse brought on for her with a trainer she knew and trusted.Some of my best horses have not been "perfect".
Mrs. Glittery Jingle Balls
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Well said, I wanted to say the same but I will confess I could not face the backlash re-directed at me for speaking out, had a bad night!
Ashamed of the sort of cowardly old biddy I seem to be morphing into.eahotson
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I don't think it is being cowardly,it's just knowing which battles to fight.Well said, I wanted to say the same but I will confess I could not face the backlash re-directed at me for speaking out, had a bad night!
Mrs. Glittery Jingle Balls
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I would agree with you of any horse she had met in person.
I suspect people would make equally kind comments about me, but I wouldn't travel far to see an horse which appeared to have back legs that straight. Birker spotted it well.
I don't recall seeing post legged horses in the past or hearing about any cases of PSD. While it's not necessarily linked it's very suspicious how prevalent both have become at the same time.
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ihatework
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Completely! Although maybe a little naive in the purchase, she had the horse vetted and passed. This is not on Birker it’s on the sellers primarily for patching up and selling on. I have no comment on the vet because we don’t know how the sellers prepped the horse and what the vet saw on the day.
I’ve bought more than one dud. One I’m pretty certain was a seller/dealer cover up like Lari.
I'm Dun
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Coming from someone who used to ride overweight? One rule for one and all that!
But yes maybe.
I cant be bothered with the drama. Back on UI you go.
Birker2020
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See I know this because of speaking to my friend who is a vet physio. I don't claim to know much but I've learnt a fair bit from her. She tells me about the odd interesting case (obviously not in depth or names of people/horses due to client confidentiality I might add). She knows I have a penchant for Wobbler cases knowing this is of personal interest to me.
I'm hoping to go on a dissection one day.
This is a great link to post legged horses, which is also interestingly linked quite often to k.s.. https://www.peasebrookequineclinic.co.uk/blog/2019/10/6/hindlimb-proximal-suspensory-desmitis-update
TGM
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Generally this sort of horse being advertised as a hunter despite having limited hunting experience would indicate a soundness problem that doesn't affect ability to gallop and jump in relatively straight lines, but doesn't cope well with the repeated turns required for arena work.
PurpleSpots
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Agreed. For me, from that photo of a simple fence in open country on fair-ish ground with a flat approach and getaway, he's not letting go properly with his hind end and has got quite close which suggests some sort of tightness/discomfort. He could have simply been on a close stride, but I'd be expecting the seller to use the best photo to advertise with. For the amount he's stated to have done he looks to lack muscle/tone in his hind end too, which would be another concern for me. These two things, together with the horse stated to not enjoy arena work would put me off/make me question whether there's an issue.
It's just a photo, a moment in time, but if the things weren't there to see then they wouldn't be considerations.
Birker2020
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Yes 100%. The sales livery guy was going down thst route with Lari.
Seeing him galloping around the arena you can see why he felt that was a good avenue to explore. Especially as he'd looked up online his history and spoke to a previous owner who confirmed she hunted him for 2 seasons and he had jumped everything he was pointed at.
However, as soon as he was asked to work in an outline and use himself he would show some serious evasions.
Red-1
I used to be decisive, now I'm not so sure...
I think I would win this particular scenario.
Bought a lovely horse, 12K, been in regular work with competition record to match. Vetted in the afternoon the day after I tried him, including X rays of front feet (funky shape!) by equine expert vet from large hospital. He passed with flying colours, so I picked him up the next morning, he travelled well, and then dropped dead half an hour after arriving home.
Only, it wasn't a quiet drop dead, it was awful and violent dropping dead.
Dead horse on the lawn, only insured for half purchase price, had to also pay for post mortem and another 1K for full year of insurance, so didn't get much back and had to live with an awful memory.
CanteringCarrot
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Many of us have made mistakes along the way when it comes to horse purchases. So we get it.
As for "raking up the past" I'll rake up or mention whatever the hell I want to. If you don't like it, scroll on. If I think it relates, then I'll mention it. Especially if it's a cautionary tale and could help if the scenario arises again. There's always someone on here that will take issue with what's posted and I can't be arsed to care anymore. I know that some play the polite police, and they can continue to do so. It's whatever.
I don't know Birkers exact weight, nor do I care to. I know that people don't like it, but weight matters in this hobby/sport. I don't bang on about it endlessly, and have brought it up in reference to the OP, and clarified why I did. Take it or leave it.
I do care that she has a better experience this time around, and anything I've said hasn't been out of a place of malice. If you don't choose to believe that, then that's on you. I know my intentions and am comfortable with them.
I've made mistakes throughout my life as a horse person and I'm not about to stand here and toot my own horn, but I do generally know my arse from my elbow, believe it or not. I know there's a lot of what we'd call in the US "backyard barn" types on here, and it's not a necessarily a forum full of experts in all things. However, there are some smart and astute people on here. Their advice can be taken or left. If they don't live up to your expectations as a "expert" than that's cool too.
I'm probably nearing the end of my time on HHO due to the style of my posting (and sometimes I swear), but I've always tried to be straight forward with folk. My statements may lack tact and not be soft, and I get that. I also don't really care to change that either.
Anyway, this isn't about me and all of the clarification in the world probably doesn't matter.
I do vaguely remember the OP's criteria and I can respect her not wanting to stray too far away from it. Sure, some flexibility might not be a bad thing, and I do think that IDs (as long as they're not grey, which I get!) are a good suggestion. The right horse will come along at the right time.
As for "raking up the past" I'll rake up or mention whatever the hell I want to. If you don't like it, scroll on. If I think it relates, then I'll mention it. Especially if it's a cautionary tale and could help if the scenario arises again. There's always someone on here that will take issue with what's posted and I can't be arsed to care anymore. I know that some play the polite police, and they can continue to do so. It's whatever.
I don't know Birkers exact weight, nor do I care to. I know that people don't like it, but weight matters in this hobby/sport. I don't bang on about it endlessly, and have brought it up in reference to the OP, and clarified why I did. Take it or leave it.
I do care that she has a better experience this time around, and anything I've said hasn't been out of a place of malice. If you don't choose to believe that, then that's on you. I know my intentions and am comfortable with them.
I've made mistakes throughout my life as a horse person and I'm not about to stand here and toot my own horn, but I do generally know my arse from my elbow, believe it or not. I know there's a lot of what we'd call in the US "backyard barn" types on here, and it's not a necessarily a forum full of experts in all things. However, there are some smart and astute people on here. Their advice can be taken or left. If they don't live up to your expectations as a "expert" than that's cool too.
I'm probably nearing the end of my time on HHO due to the style of my posting (and sometimes I swear), but I've always tried to be straight forward with folk. My statements may lack tact and not be soft, and I get that. I also don't really care to change that either.
Anyway, this isn't about me and all of the clarification in the world probably doesn't matter.
I do vaguely remember the OP's criteria and I can respect her not wanting to stray too far away from it. Sure, some flexibility might not be a bad thing, and I do think that IDs (as long as they're not grey, which I get!) are a good suggestion. The right horse will come along at the right time.
AShetlandBitMeOnce
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I don't know if this is an insensitive question or not, but if it is I apologise, did the PM return the cause of death? I have never seen a horse drop like that unless its been an aortic rupture and the only ones I have seen of those (N=2) have been fairly understated considering.
Birker2020
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Omg I'm so sorry. Was it a congenital issue?
Tiddlypom
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I suppose that I’m one of those posters that is allegedly banging on about the OP’s weight wrt her horse search.
Mea culpa.
Like it or not, rider weight is a factor in what horses are suitable for us to ride. From her own past posts it is very easy to determine what weight Birker currently is. I am the same height as Birker at 5’10” and in the past I have been the same as her current weight, so no judgement from me on getting to that weight. It happens.
Did I ride any horse at that weight? No I did not. I stayed out of the saddle until I had lost several stone. Anyone who thinks that it is bullying to point out that rider weight has to be a factor in what horses we choose to ride needs to give their heads a good wobble.
I will always advocate for the horse, who does not have a choice in the matter. Apart from decking the rider, of course.
If others want to make false platitudes and tell people what they want to hear rather than what they need to hear then crack on. I had thought that HHO had a high regard for horse welfare and prioritises it over injured human feelings, but maybe I was wrong.
Birker’s made a start on the weight loss and should be congratulated for that. Just stick at until many more options horse wise are opened up and it’ll be well worth it all round. For various reasons the horse search is on hold anyway so this is the chance to crack on with that.
Mea culpa.
Like it or not, rider weight is a factor in what horses are suitable for us to ride. From her own past posts it is very easy to determine what weight Birker currently is. I am the same height as Birker at 5’10” and in the past I have been the same as her current weight, so no judgement from me on getting to that weight. It happens.
Did I ride any horse at that weight? No I did not. I stayed out of the saddle until I had lost several stone. Anyone who thinks that it is bullying to point out that rider weight has to be a factor in what horses we choose to ride needs to give their heads a good wobble.
I will always advocate for the horse, who does not have a choice in the matter. Apart from decking the rider, of course.
If others want to make false platitudes and tell people what they want to hear rather than what they need to hear then crack on. I had thought that HHO had a high regard for horse welfare and prioritises it over injured human feelings, but maybe I was wrong.
Birker’s made a start on the weight loss and should be congratulated for that. Just stick at until many more options horse wise are opened up and it’ll be well worth it all round. For various reasons the horse search is on hold anyway so this is the chance to crack on with that.
AdorableAlice
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I'm not sure about that ! this chap is cheap, won't be a show horse or athlete and photo's can be misleading. I've never met him but if if I was looking for plod around for the future he would be on my list to see based on his breeding, his bone and reasonable size together with the fact he has not been rushed. He has every chance of being a hardy type and easier keeper. He will find the right person at some point.
HeresHoping
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Am not going to get into a dingdong about this, but that's kind of why I said I could do some digging. Just so you know.
It's not far from me. I know some of the Zetland crowd.
And there were lots of pictures, I just picked one. They were all hunt jumps, though.
Birker2020
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The photo was Feb last year when I was 1 stone 12lbs more than I am now.
I don't honestly see what all the fuss is about
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CanteringCarrot
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That's just it, no matter how we slice it, weight is a factor. It has to be. I know that I'm too heavy for some horses, it's a fact.
I had a break in my riding between my last horse and this one. I did gain some weight in there, and when it came time to back my current horse, I shed the weight and more. I'm well within the "15%" with tack, and also know he's not a "weight carrier" so I do it for him (and also to fit into my old breeches). If I chose not to, I'd have to look for a different mount. It just is what it is. Thems the facts.
I'd literally say this to anyone, and it's not an attack on a specific person.
I get not wanting a thread cluttered with "weight talk" but if someone is actually too heavy, tall, or otherwise too large for a specific horse, it's ok to mention that. In my book, anyway.
I'm not going to make anymore posts on weight unless it's directly related or asked at this point, but I wish some would understand that it's not meant as an attack, or coming from a "bad place." I get that they don't want to read people "banging on" about it, but most ignore my posts anyway
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