Happy Days For ISH Breeders

yeah but didn't get more than huntingfield rebel a massive 210 foals register so by the time they are up to jumping age he will be more than likely dead so one one of his sons[creevagh grey rebel- oh carol rebel-rebel mountain or rosheen yeats] will carry the torch
 
The thing about Huntingfield Rebel that worries me is no different than any other stallion that get such huge books (200+ mares). This makes me wary. This sorta sets you up for failure in some respects if you are breeding with the intent to sell. When the market gets flooded, then you are going to have an awful hard time getting a reasonable price for something when there's 20 more down the road.

I can understand it more on the continent where you have a much larger geographical area to diffuse the foals across, but in Ireland's case....a small country with huge books can be detrimental to the market value of the offspring.

Just my two cents.
 
in an answer to eothain's question the torch of his achivements
1.champion rid stallion in the RDS 1999
2.sire of five approved sons[forgot rebel flagmount in last post]
3.sucessful show jumper and dressage horse
4.in goresbridge his filly foal made 11200euro
5.breed's 100% grey's
 
5,Breeding 100% grey doesn't mean a whole pile. A good horse is never a bad colour.
4,Congratulations to all involved. I hope that fillies' new owners hope she's still worth that
3,To what level? What constitutes being a success? Running up a bunch of points at 1.20 and 1.10 isn't the same as running up points at 1.40 like Flagmount King, Classic Vision and Welcome Flagmount did.
2,That's good. I hope they contribute more to Sport Horse bredding going forward than he has thus far. How many of his stock have gone to Lanaken or Lion D'Angers?
1,He was champion pretty boy. Means nothing to me. If it means something to you then fantastic. Showing is lost on me.

I may be a touch stone faced, but I see his achievements and think to myself ... "Meh"
 
Back into the breach dear friends.

Huntingfield Rebel has been standing in Connaught where the density of RID mares has to be one of the highest if not the highest in Ireland. Therefore commercially it makes sense. He will get a large book consequently as he is local and his reputation for high priced stock preceded him. However, as we all know, when stallions become flavour of the month, selective breeding goes out of the window and those grassroots breeders (again) follow the yellow brick road to the latest popular stallion with total disregard for the mare they are sending to him and then they wonder why they are not achieving 11K at Goresbridge. Exceptional mares with good stallions breed exceptional stock 99% of the time.

All stallion owners I am sure would rather not have some of the youngstock representatives on the ground that they end up with but, it is a commercial decision at the end of the day. If they wanted to retain quality offspring they would only cover approved mares instead of any walking in.

I was involved in breeding last year's RID Dublin winner (x Glidawn Diamond) with my ex partner and I never thought the colt was anything special. I think he is a nice horse and his people think a great deal of him but he just doesn't do it for me particularly. The same mare bred 2 other RID stallions by Glidawn Diamond so they clearly nicked. So my point is, the numbers game is not all about the stallion, its the mares he is given too as can be seen by my Glidawn Diamond example.

Right have I answered any questions, I am losing the plot here
 
5.i know a good horse is never a bad colour but chestnut fillies aren't worth a whole lot
4.i know she might not be worth that nowbut what other draught stallion's progeny made that price as a foal
3.maybe he never went up to that level because he was eventing or maybe he wasn't good enough
2.clover hill never jumped and he did alright
1.give showing a chance it's not that bad

he not cruising but he might not make a bad wingman
 
rebel mountain quote: 5.i know a good horse is never a bad colour but chestnut fillies aren't worth a whole lot

I have never agreed with the 'chestnut filly/mare' bias:

Sapphire is chestnut. Somehow winning a $500,000 class last week is hard to explain if that is the measure by which she is valued.
Baloufina is chestnut. Her colour is not hurting her value any.

I can think of loads of them.

I've know more than my share of nutcase bays...... I've owned several chestnut mares (have one currently) and they were the soundest minded mares they could possibly ever be. I'll take one of those thanks.
 
i totally agree i have a chestnut mare myself by kildalton king i have bred her to master imp in the past so she won't breed a chestnut i think chestnuts have the temperment as any other colour but in selling horses you have to meet the buyers needs
 
No need to lose the plot, IL. We're going to spend some time going in circles. When horse breeding is involved there will be paths beaten in circles. As I've said before, I've no problem with horses like Huntingfield Rebel. I usually won't cut somebody down for using a horse. I just don't see the point in continuing to hype horses who haven't lived up to their billing. Time to find the next potential Draught superstar.

Anyone have a colt by Seacrest out of a Flagmount King x Clover Hill mare?
 
Fantastic news regarding next weeks ISH Stallion Approvals.

Laughton's Flight has a son going up.
Errigal Flight has two sons going up.
Guidam has a son going up who is out of the mare Cavalier mare, Naomi Campbell who already has produced the Laughton's Flight sired GP performer Rolo Tomasi. Surely one to look out for!
Cruising has four going up.

The link is on the HSI website
 
200 mares though, if he is the most used stallion in Ireland is not that many. I think that the UK & Ireland need to aim higher :) Danish stallion show 53000 visitors, tickets go on sale on line & sell out fast. Three year old stllion who has never set his toe in the Performance arena but graded well gets 500 mares. Denmark must be roughly the same size as a country - ohhhhh probably really showing my geography ignorance LOL

I remember speaking to an old breeder no longer with us sadly and he said it is a difficult one as a beautiful foals sell but if you breed for performance you likely won't get such a beauty. He advised me that beautiful useless horses sell, ugly useless horses don't. He said that if you don't have pots of money sometimes it is safer just to breed for beauty and he felt that was the problem. I can see that as many top SJs are not pretty and often on here people comment how terrible top SJs look etc.

Edited to say top SJ horses ! not people :)
 
E - only losing the plot due to lateness of hour - never about horse breeding. They say evenings and afternoons best to watch stallion inspections as more going on - ie loose jumping. There are a few I wouldn't mind a look at so will pop (well make the trek) to Cavan tohave a look on one of the sporthorse days.

Firm, that is so interesting re book sizes. I am assuming there is a lot of AI therefore as it would be hard work for a stallion covering 500 in a season by himself:)! What happens to the not so popular stallions, what sort of numbers would they get. Some here only get quite literally a handful of mares. In ways, this means we will never know the true potential of a stallion unless he does have a lot of progeny = more chances of success = more popularity = reputation.

There is truth in the "pretty horse" syndrome certainly for the everyday buyer. They will always be easy sellers provided they do not have exaggerated faults. The pros are way more forgiving if the horse performs.

The stallion parades here do get a pretty good turnout but they aren't all singing /dancing spectaculars as such.
 
He's out of a Clover Hill mare, Ballygowan Clover Choice, who has progeny eventing in America. Is that a tick in the box for the damline?

I hope Diarado is a success for the Holsteiners. It's good to see a new line emerging. The same goes for the thoroughbred Estaban. Hopefully in the next few years, the D and E lines will be as important as the two C lines and the L line.

As for ugly showjumping horses, please name some for me because off the top of my head I can't name any
 
Ballygowan clover choice is full sister to a Helvick, he competed at 1.30m. Ballygowan clover is also half sister to SHBGB approved stallion Old Leighlin. He has produced some eventing horses.
I think this colt will have to prove himself under the saddle!

As for ugly horses? Some people say french horses can be ugly! Ive seen a few funny looking Touchdown horses ( I like Touchdown ) But what good are looks if they can't jump?
 
GrassHorse said:
As for ugly horses? Some people say french horses can be ugly!
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French horses??? Ugly??? Ha ;) (I do have a duty as the token French person on this forum to be a defender of the very occasionally roman-nosed SFs - I have a roman nose too, that doesn't stop me from jumping, may I add :D)

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But what good are looks if they can't jump?
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True, but good looking normally means well put together (unless you are talking about a pretty face - which indeed is useless for jumping!), which is pretty much a prerequisite of a top jumper, so I guess they need both! ;)

I'll have to echo Eothain (again!!!) - I can't think of any really ugly SJ (horses, at least, I can think of lots of ugly SJ riders ;))

Hum, better go, it's too late for me trying to make jokes - just going to end up getting shot down in flames...
 
Well Kraque Boom, the current European champion does have a massive head but hey, it's all about function over form!!!

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It is much easier to find uglier riders than pretty ones. I'll have to agree with you there
 
I suppose at the end of the day if they can jump then it is about performance versus looks.
I talked to Gisela Holstein(mother of Heike and Eric) a few years ago who had a grand prix clover hill gelding(ugly as sin).She said that as long as he performed then it didn't matter which was very true.
When I talk about stallions producing offspring then it is fair enough if they are producing athletes but a horse breeding unattractive and below par horses has no need to be a stallion.In My Honest opinion.
 
all horses jumping at the top level are in peak condition. Great coat and muscle definition. So that could be a reason why you never see bad looking horses jumping (conformation looks). If you put them out to grass for a few months maybe they would look a little different?
 
That is so true, I have seen some top horses let down for the winter and they are as nondescript as anything.

I am also a lover of French horses my close second after Irish horses and they definitely have a Gallic look to them and attitude in buckets.
 
I really like French horse too. ( our pretty mares can handle their roman noses )I think Harlequin du Carel is amazing. He produces lovely horses!

I just finished rebuilding the ballymureen stud web site ( Harlequin stands there). I would appreciate any comments ?
 
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