Hunters
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I should confirm that the person in the balaclava was never identified, so of course I am sure it could have been a dog walker.
Heythrop Hunt
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Jerroboam
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The antis have catergorically NOT followed our terrierman, without our country man the Heythrop Hunt would be rendered useless. Penny Little and Judy Gilbert hound Julian because a) he, whilst at the Worcester, before the ban, stood out again the anti hunt lobby on TV and in the media (nobody is saying that this is a bad thing) but many at the time said that he would soon regret such decisions. Many claim that this is the exact same reason why the Blencathra struggle with monitors too. b) as YOU yourself mentioned Hunters, we are West Oxon, the Prime ministers constituency and therefore are ALWAYS likely to attract such awful attention. I will NOT hear our country man slated in such a way. He is a great asset to our hunt and he is nothing to do with the Frampton vs Barnfield debate. Quite Frankly Hunters, whilst you are entitled to your opinion in such a forum, you must realise that the decision to enrol Charles Frampton went to the committee, then went to an Emergency General Meeting and the farmers and landowners used their right to vote and voted for change. This was the most democratic way of going about proceedings. He has NOT been made redundant or indeed 'given a secret push'. You, Hunters, continually go on about the Heythrop being a 'premier' pack, if Mr Barnfield were a premiership football manager or a top banker and was NOT delievering the goods the members/fans would ask for change. Our sport has been, at times, awful. Lets see how many of the people who are casuing trouble at this moment are hunting in the 2012/13 season, I doubt much land will be shut up at all.
Hunters
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Your countryman was with the VAGSBH now known as the Kimblewick before he joined you, the same country that Gilbert & Little live in. If you choose to believe that they visit you for other reasons that's your choice. However, I can tell you this, the Kimblewick are mighty glad you've got them & have had them since way before Mr Cameron took position.
Regarding, Mr Barnfield and his 'not' being made redundant - call it what you like - he was got rid of him before a court case, I think you'll find even Kate Hoey is aghast at the decision.
I can only hope that the 'desision makers' don't live to regret their decision and spoil everyone elses hunting for the future - bacause that is what I believe they are playing with.
Finally, hasn't exactly unified your country, still so long as you have more fun.
Regarding, Mr Barnfield and his 'not' being made redundant - call it what you like - he was got rid of him before a court case, I think you'll find even Kate Hoey is aghast at the decision.
I can only hope that the 'desision makers' don't live to regret their decision and spoil everyone elses hunting for the future - bacause that is what I believe they are playing with.
Finally, hasn't exactly unified your country, still so long as you have more fun.
JanetGeorge
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Gee Jerroboam - you're mates with Penny and Judy, are you - and know WHY they do things?? If Julian's sterling efforts at the time of the Foster Bill ARE the cause of their attentions to the Heythrop, why has it taken them so long (after all, the Foster Bill WAS 13 years ago!)
Of COURSE they've followed your country man from the former VofA - and no-one is slating your countryman in any way! After all, if those two hate him he was obviously very good at his job!
It's impossible for 'outsiders' to know the true and full reasons for Julian being turfed out in favour of Frampton - but if it has anything to do with the presence of those two - and Julian's caution in dealing with them - then you will not have solved the problem. Penny Little is a dangerous enemy - and anyone who thinks otherwise and acts accordingly WILL live to regret it!
But the FACT remains - with a court case pending against Julian, sacking him is a demonstration of extreme stupidity! Our professional huntsmen take the rap for these cases - and we should be backing them to the hilt!! Not dumping them at the worst possible moment! After all, IF Julian is convicted it is very BAD news for hunting and we will ALL suffer for the Heythrop's selfish and thoughtless behaviour!
Hunters
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This will be my last post on this subject:
I am deeply saddened for the treatment of Julian Barnfield and his family.
I am ashamed to have a sport that I love deeply brought into disrepute by these actions.
I am furthermore hugely concerned that an arrogant hunt, through these actions will cause a future Labour government to tighten the law, which in turn could finish hunting.
Enjoy your hunt ball tomorrow night - I'm sorry to hear the marquee had to be shrunk due to loss of numbers. I truly hope it is not a sign of things to come.
I am deeply saddened for the treatment of Julian Barnfield and his family.
I am ashamed to have a sport that I love deeply brought into disrepute by these actions.
I am furthermore hugely concerned that an arrogant hunt, through these actions will cause a future Labour government to tighten the law, which in turn could finish hunting.
Enjoy your hunt ball tomorrow night - I'm sorry to hear the marquee had to be shrunk due to loss of numbers. I truly hope it is not a sign of things to come.
4x4
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I am confused as to why this debate (which is very entertaining and informative) has been allowed to continue whilst several similar debates about the hunt which shall not be named, beginning now with a K, have been deleted.
Judgemental
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4 x 4 I think the answer lies in the following extract from H & H's own report today;
"The Heythrop will be hunted by Charles Frampton, currently senior joint-master and huntsman of the Portman, next season.
His appointment follows a split at the Heythrop over the future of current huntsman Julian Barnfield.
The wrangle went public after Countryside Alliance chairman MP Kate Hoey intervened on Mr Barnfield’s behalf, writing to Heythrop chairman Mikey Elliot.
An extraordinary general meeting was held on Sunday (30 October) in Chipping Norton, and the vote as to who should hunt the pack was 207 to 163 in favour of Mr Frampton. Farmers had two votes and subscribers one".
A vote of 207 to 163 is a fairly close run affair, given that the farmers have two votes each.
I have to keep reminding myself it's 7 November 2011 and not 7 November 1811!
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Countrygirl
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JG as always you are the voice of common sense, perhaps you should be sitting on the MFHA commitee.
Don't forget though that it is not just the Huntsmen that suffer in these situations - I know of whips that have been treated in an equally appauling manor. It appears that some things are still dealt with in an archaic manor within hunting.
doodleberry
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there is no smoke without fire