horse market seems a bit overpriced!??

[Errin Paddywack]

I am a bit stunned by this for £3000.

Pretty 15hh approx. 15 year old light/med weight appaloosa mare. Backed/green/low mileage. Nice temperament. Good box, trim, vet, farrier, groom etc. Wind sucks. Sold from field. Kind 5* home only.

https://classifieds.horseandhound.co.uk/horses-for-sale/cob/appaloosa-mare-590751

 

[throwawayaccount]

I am a bit stunned by this for £3000.

Pretty 15hh approx. 15 year old light/med weight appaloosa mare. Backed/green/low mileage. Nice temperament. Good box, trim, vet, farrier, groom etc. Wind sucks. Sold from field. Kind 5* home only.

https://classifieds.horseandhound.co.uk/horses-for-sale/cob/appaloosa-mare-590751

that's bizarre. this was what I meant from my original post- why are horses with clear issues/vices being sold for that much? especially if the issues aren't a 'quick fix', or fixable at all.

 

[Elf On A Shelf]

I'm glad to see well produced horses being advertised for decent prices.
I was on a facebook group, something like ex racehorses for sale and the amount of wanted posts from people with a 'low three figure budget', sorry I found it depressing.

I deal with a lot of the rehoming of our racehorses and the amount of people that ask for them for free/loan/cheap/payment plans etc is unbelievable! Whilst I agree some of these horses are not worth a huge amount at the end of their racing careers there are others that are worth a decent price tag. It is sorting the wheat from the chaff as to who gets a response and who gets a "sorry all horses have now found homes".

It's the same with Shetlands too. People expect them to be free or cheap because they are small and they want them to do everything with no hang ups. I don't often sell mine but a good quality, unbroken Shetland can easily be worth £2-3k. Add on another £1-2k if it has been broken and ridden away properly. But people don't want to hear this. They want a cheap, little pony for their kid to pet and plod about on.

 

[Bernster]

Hah I love how a thread about how overpriced horses are has partly turned into a search for horses to buy thread!

There's a really lovely 15.1 4yo on FB, I can PM you a screenshot of the ad if you want? I'd be interested but it's a gelding and I'm a strictly mares-only person .

Edit: If anyone sees anything fitting my criteria than please give me a prod!
- Welsh D x TB/WB/ISH/Arab/AA
- 15.1 - 15.3
- 2 - 5yo, very preferably unbroken, if broken then no photos of it jumping 1m20 as a 4yo!
- mare
- not coloured and no greys, preferably chestnut
- nothing with scary legs or glaringly bad confo
- under 10k

I don't want much ?.

DF have you seen the smart Welsh D on horse quest? It’s 8 though so sounds older than you want. I’m actually a gelding person generally. I’d say 4yo is younger than I’d want as i wouldn’t be too sure if It would be what I want, but having just seen a nice sounding 4yo as I was searching for the details of that welsh D, maybe it would be ok. So yes pls send and I can look for something wholly inappropriate hahah.

I’d love a Connie x tb if they are not too light. An IDx would also be a winner as I like that temperament and type.

 

[throwawayaccount]

Hah I love how a thread about how overpriced horses are has partly turned into a search for horses to buy thread!



DF have you seen the smart Welsh D on horse quest? It’s 8 though so sounds older than you want. I’m actually a gelding person generally. I’d say 4yo is younger than I’d want as i wouldn’t be too sure if It would be what I want, but having just seen a nice sounding 4yo as I was searching for the details of that welsh D, maybe it would be ok. So yes pls send and I can look for something wholly inappropriate hahah.

I’d love a Connie x tb if they are not too light. An IDx would also be a winner as I like that temperament and type.

snap on the connie x tb!!

 

[Wishfilly]

I do wonder if someone should look into breeding crosses to produce a sort of "ladies allrounder". I know an Irish Draught x Arab who is the sort a lot of people would want- 15.2, not super fine, but not super chunky, nice to look at, super allrounder, has turned his hoof to everything over the years, can turn it up a gear if his rider requires, but can also be ridden by novices. Obviously that's just one example, but maybe people should be trying to produce more horses like him!

ETA: I'm on a face book group called ConnemaraX Sports Horses & Ponies, where nice connie x tbs come up sometimes.

 

[throwawayaccount]

I do wonder if someone should look into breeding crosses to produce a sort of "ladies allrounder". I know an Irish Draught x Arab who is the sort a lot of people would want- 15.2, not super fine, but not super chunky, nice to look at, super allrounder, has turned his hoof to everything over the years, can turn it up a gear if his rider requires, but can also be ridden by novices. Obviously that's just one example, but maybe people should be trying to produce more horses like him!

ETA: I'm on a face book group called ConnemaraX Sports Horses & Ponies, where nice connie x tbs come up sometimes.

ooh thank you, I'll join it. my gelding was a tb x conne.....best horse I ever had. just wish I'd had longer than 5 years with him, but I was lucky to have owned him at all.

 

[Goldenstar]

It was either stupid cheap, around £4k, or more realistic I'd expect around £8k given green, potential to be a bit argy-bargy and possibly no comp/outings/hunting experience. Maybe up to £12k on the basis of being a paragon of virtue, and up to weight for carrying a gent.
And that shows just how difficult it is to price horses!

No he’s not green just has done no dressage type training he was seriously fat and unfit when he arrived . Hes a made hunter who knows the job and he’s lots of arena eventing and unaffiliated showjumping when younger he’s an excellent jumper for his type .
We launch his dressage career next weekend .

So I paid £6.5 k and had move like a rapier to get him bought .
I would have paid 8.5 without blinking I thought I might be asked circa 12 k which I would have baulked at given his poor flat work , his extreme obesity and lack of fit ness and the state of heels .

 

[throwawayaccount]

derailing slightly, what's the best website these days for looking for horses for sale? fb seems to have cracked down on advertisments. i used to use horsemart, but that seems a bit outdated now. horsequest seems ok!

 

[Meowy Catkin]

Preloved has lots of horses.

 

[Old school]

I do wonder if someone should look into breeding crosses to produce a sort of "ladies allrounder". I know an Irish Draught x Arab who is the sort a lot of people would want- 15.2, not super fine, but not super chunky, nice to look at, super allrounder, has turned his hoof to everything over the years, can turn it up a gear if his rider requires, but can also be ridden by novices. Obviously that's just one example, but maybe people should be trying to produce more horses like him!

ETA: I'm on a face book group called ConnemaraX Sports Horses & Ponies, where nice connie x tbs come up sometimes.[/QUOTE


I purchased an ID x CP x Arab last year, 3yr old. She is petite, loads of attitude, but very well behaved. Just starting her riding. I have given up on breeding TBs. But have four lovely mares. This year I plan breeding two of them to a very nice temperament ID. I agree, lots of ladies want a tidy horse, that is capable but of nice nature.

 

[fredflop]

I’m not keen on paying a lot for an ex-racer straight from the trainer, or with minimal retraining. The ones I’ve had have needed a fortune spending on physio/vet/dentist to get them sorted out

 

[throwawayaccount]

Preloved has lots of horses.

ah thank you. that's where I found most of the 'overpriced' horses with issues. its also where I got my mare from, and she has many!!

 

[Elf On A Shelf]

I’m not keen on paying a lot for an ex-racer straight from the trainer, or with minimal retraining. The ones I’ve had have needed a fortune spending on physio/vet/dentist to get them sorted out

It depends who you get them from as to how much has been done with them during their racing days. Most yards do teeth and use physios as a matter of course because you can't expect a horse to perform to its best if it doesn't feel at its best can it now? A lot of yards are also seeing the benefit of flat work. Obviously a lot of the big factory flat yards won't be doing this but jump yards and smaller trainers do.

But to be fair a 3/4/ 5yo exracer who has ran less than a handful times will have seen way more of life than a warm blood of the same age, won't have been pinned down in gadgets or jumped out of their skins every day since they were foals to do the gradings or futurity classes. And they still won't cost as much.

 

[DabDab]

There's a really lovely 15.1 4yo on FB, I can PM you a screenshot of the ad if you want? I'd be interested but it's a gelding and I'm a strictly mares-only person .

Edit: If anyone sees anything fitting my criteria than please give me a prod!
- Welsh D x TB/WB/ISH/Arab/AA
- 15.1 - 15.3
- 2 - 5yo, very preferably unbroken, if broken then no photos of it jumping 1m20 as a 4yo!
- mare
- not coloured and no greys, preferably chestnut
- nothing with scary legs or glaringly bad confo
- under 10k

I don't want much ?.

https://www.preloved.co.uk/adverts/...estock/horses-ponies/for-sale/bewdley?page=10

 

[millikins]

derailing slightly, what's the best website these days for looking for horses for sale? fb seems to have cracked down on advertisments. i used to use horsemart, but that seems a bit outdated now. horsequest seems ok!

As I mentioned earlier NFED is excellent if you are West Country or South East. Or so long as you have your wits about you there are some decent horses on Dragon Diving where the saying "if it looks too good to be true it probably is" definitely applies.

 

[Elno]

Wow guys, the prices in the UK really differs from the ones in Sweden ?

Covid has marginally raised the prices here as of lately, and also we've had some years with shortage of Swedish horses produced, because I guess the cost of it all surpasses the selling price (or atleast that is what I've read from breeders complaining on Swedish forums).

Generelly in Sweden we prefer the Swedish warmblood as a breed, but are not unfamiliar with importing horses from Ireland, eastern Europe and Spain/Portugal. I also reckon the TB in your case is the equivalent of our Standardbreds.

Very generelly speaking, if you want a normal allround riding horse with three normal, nothing out of the ordinary, gaits that doesn't make you cry, without any major vices or a vet history and age 4-15, you 're looking at prices between 50 000-150 000 kr (that is roughly £4.3k-12.8k). More if they competed. A FEI pony can easy fetch up to 300-400 000 kr, as well as a good jumper or dressage horse. A Tb you can get for 30-40 000 kr. A Standardbred for free or up to 15 000 kr. A Coldblooded trotter from 20000 and up, because those guys usually have a better conformation and easier with the canter.

 

[McFluff]

derailing slightly, what's the best website these days for looking for horses for sale? fb seems to have cracked down on advertisments. i used to use horsemart, but that seems a bit outdated now. horsequest seems ok!

I found horsequest the best (or at least more consistent) and liked that you can set up alerts and save ones you like in a stable. Also worth keeping an eye on the magazine ads too - horse and rider had a couple of interesting ones.

 

[Fools Motto]

I bought Freddie at the beginning of March for quite a bit less than what his value probably is given the current market. He is my summer project, to bring on and enjoy before he will be for sale in about 4 months time, his previous owner knows he was wasted sitting in the field and the offer was given to me. I know my circumstances will not be able to afford livery beyond that, hence the future sale. He will be green, but I will do my best to expose him to as much as I can so he will be ready to go and have fun with his future owner.

 

[mariew]

Wow guys, the prices in the UK really differs from the ones in Sweden ?

Covid has marginally raised the prices here as of lately, and also we've had some years with shortage of Swedish horses produced, because I guess the cost of it all surpasses the selling price (or atleast that is what I've read from breeders complaining on Swedish forums).

Generelly in Sweden we prefer the Swedish warmblood as a breed, but are not unfamiliar with importing horses from Ireland, eastern Europe and Spain/Portugal. I also reckon the TB in your case is the equivalent of our Standardbreds.

Very generelly speaking, if you want a normal allround riding horse with three normal, nothing out of the ordinary, gaits that doesn't make you cry, without any major vices or a vet history and age 4-15, you 're looking at prices between 50 000-150 000 kr (that is roughly £4.3k-12.8k). More if they competed. A FEI pony can easy fetch up to 300-400 000 kr, as well as a good jumper or dressage horse. A Tb you can get for 30-40 000 kr. A Standardbred for free or up to 15 000 kr. A Coldblooded trotter from 20000 and up, because those guys usually have a better conformation and easier with the canter.

I want a bruks nordsvensk!

Back to the prices though, i am guessing it is still the case that there is not the bottom end irresponsible over breeding in Sweden that you can find in the UK, at least not to the same extent. So I am thinking breeding is probably more controlled, hence a lack of loads of lower quality, cheap, horses?

 

[spacefaer]

Wrong thread!

 

[Elno]

I want a bruks nordsvensk!

Back to the prices though, i am guessing it is still the case that there is not the bottom end irresponsible over breeding in Sweden that you can find in the UK, at least not to the same extent. So I am thinking breeding is probably more controlled, hence a lack of loads of lower quality, cheap, horses?

It probably is yes, although there is always the possibility to buy an off the track standardbred, and they are numorous in numbers and sold very cheap - good deal if you can ignore/ dont care about the bad conformation, stressy disposition and horrible gaits ??‍

 

[Goldenstar]

On TB’s from trainers it’s the same as other horses some come with more attributes that give them a head start in the non racing job, a Tb with good conformation for flat work good feet good limbs and foot balance a decent size ( not too big not too small ) and an easy nature will be more to buy from a trainer than one who has not got so many ticks in the box.
If you understand and like Tbs have the right set up to keep them and have the training yourself that allows you to make them and you will enjoy that they can be a very very good choice .
I get a lot coming up on my face book and have seen two really nice ones recently one was really nice , it was certainly a I wish I was younger moment .

 

[Errin Paddywack]

that's bizarre. this was what I meant from my original post- why are horses with clear issues/vices being sold for that much? especially if the issues aren't a 'quick fix', or fixable at all.

It was the age too that amazed me, 15 for goodness sake. May be that was a typo but I wouldn't pay £3k for a backed 15yr old that windsucks.

 

[cauda equina]

There's a really lovely 15.1 4yo on FB, I can PM you a screenshot of the ad if you want? I'd be interested but it's a gelding and I'm a strictly mares-only person .

Edit: If anyone sees anything fitting my criteria than please give me a prod!
- Welsh D x TB/WB/ISH/Arab/AA
- 15.1 - 15.3
- 2 - 5yo, very preferably unbroken, if broken then no photos of it jumping 1m20 as a 4yo!
- mare
- not coloured and no greys, preferably chestnut
- nothing with scary legs or glaringly bad confo
- under 10k

I don't want much ?.

dragondriving.co.uk/horseforsale-168378.html

Damn, sold, sorry!

 

[KEK]

It probably is yes, although there is always the possibility to buy an off the track standardbred, and they are numorous in numbers and sold very cheap - good deal if you can ignore/ dont care about the bad conformation, stressy disposition and horrible gaits ??‍

Hmm not sure if Swedish SBs are different to ours here is Australia (do you have them in the uk?) but we have one and she is amazing. She walks fast, canters forwards not up and trots smoothly. She’s way nicer to ride than my Connie, actually. She is also very well behaved and not in the least stressy. Maybe we got lucky? IDK ?‍

 

[mariew]

Hmm not sure if Swedish SBs are different to ours here is Australia (do you have them in the uk?) but we have one and she is amazing. She walks fast, canters forwards not up and trots smoothly. She’s way nicer to ride than my Connie, actually. She is also very well behaved and not in the least stressy. Maybe we got lucky? IDK ?‍

It's probably that they are trained trotters and therefore you would have to reschool them much like an off the track thoroughbred? I helped at a trotting stables when I was young and most of them were highly strung

 

[KEK]

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It's probably that they are trained trotters and therefore you would have to reschool them much like an off the track thoroughbred? I helped at a trotting stables when I was young and most of them were highly strung

Ours is also 21, which I’m sure would help haha. My husband is totally smitten and only wants SBs from now on.

 

[Joeyjojo]

I just can't see that these crazy prices will stay forever. I'm looking at buying a reasonable quality youngster and prices are bonkers. Surely there aren't that many people out there who have £10 - £20k to spend on buying a horse. How can a market be sustained if people need loans to purchase a horse. I'm guessing they will remain inflated over the summer and provided we don't end up with another lock down scenario then they'll start coming down over the winter when the people buying projects start selling. Plus at some point we're going to have to start paying for all the money the government had pumped into the economy so disposable income will drop.

We're in a strange time where people have had a massive increase in free time but not necessarily a huge drop in salary that usually comes with that. It's created a bubble where prices have gone through the roof. I think the bubble will pop when the world returns to normality a bit more.

 

[Annagain]

Those of you wanting a connie (but he's grey) I know of one. He's up for £8k but I think she'll take an offer. PM me. Only for sale as he stopped growing at 14.1 and my friend is 5'7".