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Hi everyone. Don't tell me anymore about health issues. I've spoke to vet and behaviourist, and they said no h and h forum for health/illness. They said call vet, which we have, or use vets corner, which we have.
Anyways, he's been assessed. He's had a lameness workup a week ago, he also had a 5 stage vetting a few months ago, and was assessed with pressure points for ulcers by 3 different people, and he was assessed by a behaviourist, and also by a physio. It was picked up, that he has sensitivity in with withers/front of back, due to I'll fitting saddle, and also rugs that pushed on his withers. The behaviourist said specifically that he is taking the piss. He's a very dominant horse, and she said it needs work. Not with hitting, but with time, and being firm with what is right and wrong. He needs work all round. With leading, tacking up, grooming etc. He is a sensitive soul. And we are doing more liberty to build trust, and I've had to start taking a crop to field, as he seems to think he can drag me where ever he wanted to go. And we are doing work as he will try to snatch his food, and headbutt people for the sake of it. As soon as he turns to bite I put my elbow out so he runs into it. Apart from grooming, as that is separte process. Im now asking for tips on dominance, excluding grooming. And also ad lib Hay? Sinse giving him 3 nets, he's got quite fat, and I'm scared he's going to laminitis again. My coach said not to keep feeding if he keeps eating it. She said give him what he's aloud and if he eats all, then hell have to wait until the morning. He gets over 14kg a night, which is over 2% of his body weight. And then he gets grass from 7am to 5pm. And feed in morning and evening. We're decreasing his food to keep his weight, but he's gaining and gaining becuase of all the hay. Pleas help. No more vets advice, ok, I've spoken to people, we've spent a load of money for him, and everyone of the people have said no need for scope. The vet only said one thing, and xray his legs to see if there mild arthritis in a few years becuase of his dishing
 

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I'm unconvinced by the taking the p1ss argument tbh - but they can be poorly trained and not understand boundaries.

Can you soak the hay? Soaking it and feeding from a net with small holes in (greedy feeder type designs) reduces the sugar so you can give volume but without adding to their waistlines as much.

Leading in a bridle should give you more control.
 

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This is news, after four threads over several months about this horse.

Where was the lameness workup done and what was done?
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It was done at out yard. He did have one before he was brought at the vet. But has sinse had another one. He came back clear. He's actually had 2, one done by vet, one by physio. They wanted to see him walk and trot on concreat, and both on grass. And back up, and small circles. They also wanted to see videos of him being ridden. Outcome, he was fine, just needed to do some hillwork to help strengthen his outline.
 

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Hi everyone. Don't tell me anymore about health issues. I've spoke to vet and behaviourist, and they said no h and h forum for health/illness. They said call vet, which we have, or use vets corner, which we have.
Anyways, he's been assessed. He's had a lameness workup a week ago, he also had a 5 stage vetting a few months ago, and was assessed with pressure points for ulcers by 3 different people, and he was assessed by a behaviourist, and also by a physio. It was picked up, that he has sensitivity in with withers/front of back, due to I'll fitting saddle, and also rugs that pushed on his withers. The behaviourist said specifically that he is taking the piss. He's a very dominant horse, and she said it needs work. Not with hitting, but with time, and being firm with what is right and wrong. He needs work all round. With leading, tacking up, grooming etc. He is a sensitive soul. And we are doing more liberty to build trust, and I've had to start taking a crop to field, as he seems to think he can drag me where ever he wanted to go. And we are doing work as he will try to snatch his food, and headbutt people for the sake of it. As soon as he turns to bite I put my elbow out so he runs into it. Apart from grooming, as that is separte process. Im now asking for tips on dominance, excluding grooming. And also ad lib Hay? Sinse giving him 3 nets, he's got quite fat, and I'm scared he's going to laminitis again. My coach said not to keep feeding if he keeps eating it. She said give him what he's aloud and if he eats all, then hell have to wait until the morning. He gets over 14kg a night, which is over 2% of his body weight. And then he gets grass from 7am to 5pm. And feed in morning and evening. We're decreasing his food to keep his weight, but he's gaining and gaining becuase of all the hay. Pleas help. No more vets advice, ok, I've spoken to people, we've spent a load of money for him, and everyone of the people have said no need for scope. The vet only said one thing, and xray his legs to see if there mild arthritis in a few years becuase of his dishing

he sensitive
hes dominant
you have to take a crop in the field
you're doing liberty work

this is all so at odds with each other the horse isn't being difficult he just hasn't go a scooby doo what you expect.

he's confused and in pain from the sounds of it.

and your coach is an idiot and your vets sounds unhelpful.

if he needs x rays, get x rays from a new vet and go from there.


either way he sounds totally unsuitable for you personally as if you don't know how to solve any of this issues he would be better suited to more experienced home and you would be better suited to a steadier, less high octane personality.
 

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he sensitive
hes dominant
you have to take a crop in the field
you're doing liberty work

this is all so at odds with each other the horse isn't being difficult he just hasn't go a scooby doo what you expect.

he's confused and in pain from the sounds of it.

and your coach is an idiot and your vets sounds unhelpful.

if he needs x rays, get x rays from a new vet and go from there.


either way he sounds totally unsuitable for you personally as if you don't know how to solve any of this issues he would be better suited to more experienced home and you would be better suited to a steadier, less high octane personality.
One I refuse to sell him, too my parents refuse to go through all this again. We thought we was buying a calm, easy going first horse. Ok, I didn't ask for all this. But now it's happened, and we are tyring our best. My coach is NOT an idiot. Ok, I don't know much about the vet. But my coach is 60, and has had horses her whole life, had been teaching for over 20 year, she's bred famous horse. And knows when a horse needs to be put down.
 

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It was done at out yard. He did have one before he was brought at the vet. But has sinse had another one. He came back clear. He's actually had 2, one done by vet, one by physio. They wanted to see him walk and trot on concreat, and both on grass. And back up, and small circles. They also wanted to see videos of him being ridden. Outcome, he was fine, just needed to do some hillwork to help strengthen his outline.

thats not a work up.

a work up is x rays, nerve blocks and scans to actually see inside the leg/foot
 

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thats not a work up.

a work up is x rays, nerve blocks and scans to actually see inside the leg/foot
But he doesn't need any of that. The vets said he doesn't. He's had 4 different opinions. 2 different vet practices, 1 physio, and a behaviourist. And then extra people who have experience in horse.
 

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It was done at out yard. He did have one before he was brought at the vet. But has sinse had another one. He came back clear. He's actually had 2, one done by vet, one by physio. They wanted to see him walk and trot on concreat, and both on grass. And back up, and small circles. They also wanted to see videos of him being ridden. Outcome, he was fine, just needed to do some hillwork to help strengthen his outline.

Is this the same vet who told you that a horse which doesn't change if given Coligone can't have ulcers?
 

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But he doesn't need any of that. The vets said he doesn't. He's had 4 different opinions. 2 different vet practices, 1 physio, and a behaviourist. And then extra people who have experience in horse.


You have a vet, a physio, a riding instructor, a saddle fitter and a behaviourist helping you with this horse.

Axe why don't you just take their advice and stop asking strangers on a forum what to do?
 
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In that case, why do you keep coming on here to ask for advice when you can get all the advice you "want" from your coach?
I'm coming on here for tips on behaviour. My coach can only tell me what I need to do. I'm asking for the opinions. I have been told by so many professionals that he is absolutely fine.
 

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Axe why don't you just take their advice and stop asking strangers on a forum what to do?
OK, I will. But can you just tell me about Hay please. I have 2 professional one saying keep feeding no matter how fat he gets, the other saying feed 12 kg, and if he eats it he eats it
 

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Can you have some sessions with your coach taking your horse and physically showing you what to do then? Because she is a coach!
Okay, I can ask. She already shown me about tacking up him. And what is rude, for example bending down to get Hay during putting on the bridle, and walking off while doing it up, and not standing to be mounted, and kicking out when boots are being put on etc.
 

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You need to look into small hole/greedy feeder haynets that will slow down the eating. Its not good for their stomach to stand all night with no food.
Okay, thank you. That's what I thought, can I double up haynets until I get a smaller hole one?
 

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OK, I will. But can you just tell me about Hay please. I have 2 professional one saying keep feeding no matter how fat he gets, the other saying feed 12 kg, and if he eats it he eats it

Can I second guess your two experts without even seeing the horse?

No I can't.

Choose one and stick with their advice. If it's the second, slow him down with small hole nets so he doesn't run out.
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I can tell you exactly what this horse's problem is - it's YOU.

He needs an owner who knows what they're doing. Maybe he is quirky/sharp/reactive etc but with the right owner that isn't a problem. Sell him to someone who knows how to deal with him, you aren't doing either of you any favours keeping him.
 

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Giving the benefit of the doubt -on the hay issue - 14kg is a lot of hay (especially at this time of year when grass is usually plentiful). Id look at ways to slow down his rate of eating - so trickle nets (haynets with very small holes) or double up ordinary nets, or look at hay forager/haysavers which will slow the rate of eating but with a better eating position for your horse.
 
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