Meowy Catkin
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Can anyone explain why a Rambo would have thinner webbing for its surcingles than a 600d Amigo? It seems odd to have lower quality fittings on their supposedly 'top range' rugs. I can only guess that logic doesn't come into it.
Horseware and their illogical webbing thicknesses.
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does the rambo have 3 straps instead? I'm wondering if it would be too wide at the cross overs with the thicker web.
Meowy Catkin
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It's an 'original' one without leg arches. Have added a pic. 
ETA - for full info the Amigo is one of their 50g rugs, like this.
ETA - for full info the Amigo is one of their 50g rugs, like this.
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well there goes that theory 
Meowy Catkin
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It was a good idea based on the info you had at the time.
milliepops
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Has it got the breakaway fittings on the off side? Just wondering if that has an impact on what strength of webbing is selected.
Meowy Catkin
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No, just normal, sewn on cross surcingles. ETA - The same as the Amigo.
ETA - The webbing is thinner than that on other makes of rug.
ETA - The webbing is thinner than that on other makes of rug.
Shavings
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Designed by an idiot ? It’s the only conclusion I can come to
Meowy Catkin
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LOL!
It has put me off saving up for one for the grey. Luckily I did not pay full price for this one. It's such a shame because it fits his shape (and therefore hers) so well.
cremedemonthe
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The polyester webbing used in surcingles has a tremendous breaking strain, I have hundreds of metres of it in varying widths in my saddlery workshop.
Even the thinnest I have will have a breaking strain of 3000kgs (3.30 tons) I also have webbing up to 7500kgs (7.71 tons) that's the standard 50mm width used for surcingles I am talking about.
If you have something that's SO strong it can't ever break then it could be too dangerous to use. The worst it will do is fray as it's woven, which if nipped in the bud by the owner can be easily stopped. The thickest webbing will also fray so no better off in that respect.
It's easier to use and sew on surcingle fittings to the thinner stuff, I would never be able to get the 7500kgs stuff round or through the fittings!
I have been in the warehouse that supplies me, amazing place, 300 tons of webbing at any one time and they have a machine to test the breaking strain, I have seen it working it takes ALOT to break it. One webbing was capable of taking 50 tons and when that breaks all hell is let loose, so loud!
I would not worry about the webbing or how thin it is, concentrate on looking for fraying, that's the main way , but not only, this stuff breaks
Oz-up to his eyeballs in webbing
Even the thinnest I have will have a breaking strain of 3000kgs (3.30 tons) I also have webbing up to 7500kgs (7.71 tons) that's the standard 50mm width used for surcingles I am talking about.
If you have something that's SO strong it can't ever break then it could be too dangerous to use. The worst it will do is fray as it's woven, which if nipped in the bud by the owner can be easily stopped. The thickest webbing will also fray so no better off in that respect.
It's easier to use and sew on surcingle fittings to the thinner stuff, I would never be able to get the 7500kgs stuff round or through the fittings!
I have been in the warehouse that supplies me, amazing place, 300 tons of webbing at any one time and they have a machine to test the breaking strain, I have seen it working it takes ALOT to break it. One webbing was capable of taking 50 tons and when that breaks all hell is let loose, so loud!
I would not worry about the webbing or how thin it is, concentrate on looking for fraying, that's the main way , but not only, this stuff breaks
Oz-up to his eyeballs in webbing
milliepops
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interesting stuff Oz, thanks for sharing that.
I have one horse that takes surcingles off rugs for fun and I've always been pleased that the stitching gave out in the past before she did herself a mischief (now she has the HW velcro/breakaway fastenings so it's easy to pop them back on).
I have one horse that takes surcingles off rugs for fun and I've always been pleased that the stitching gave out in the past before she did herself a mischief (now she has the HW velcro/breakaway fastenings so it's easy to pop them back on).
Meowy Catkin
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Thanks for taking the time to explain that.
It definitely puts my mind at rest. If anything does start to fray, is gently melting the fraying section with a flame the best way to go?
cremedemonthe
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Yes, use a candle, match or a lighter to seal off the fibres so they don't fray/run further, BUT whatever you do, do not get any of it on your fingers as it burns like hell. It retains a very high temperaure and even a pin prick size on your skin will burn.
Make sure you don't leave any rough edges as they are sharp enough to cut flesh. Use a metal knife or something flat to mould the edge with, dip the knife in water if needs be to stop it sticking to the melted web. you have to be quick though.You only get a few seconds before it cools and you can't mould it.
You can only do it so many times before you have to splice a new piece in on to make good.
I have a "hot knife" electric tool that I can use but still prefer to use a candle sometimes as in this pic, sorry for the concentration look but I am making cockerel collars out of polypropylene webbing
Make sure you don't leave any rough edges as they are sharp enough to cut flesh. Use a metal knife or something flat to mould the edge with, dip the knife in water if needs be to stop it sticking to the melted web. you have to be quick though.You only get a few seconds before it cools and you can't mould it.
You can only do it so many times before you have to splice a new piece in on to make good.
I have a "hot knife" electric tool that I can use but still prefer to use a candle sometimes as in this pic, sorry for the concentration look but I am making cockerel collars out of polypropylene webbing
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dogatemysalad
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I have that rug and I know what you mean about the thinner webbing, but it seems to do the job.
My bugbear is rugs that only have one trigger clip on the tail surcingle which makes it fiddly for quick removal when washing.
My bugbear is rugs that only have one trigger clip on the tail surcingle which makes it fiddly for quick removal when washing.
criso
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What I wondered when you asked this was if thinner doesn't necessarily equate to weaker. Whether the materials or weave used in the surcingles on the more expensive rugs was equally strong but softer. However more expensive to produce so only used on the high end rugs.
I would have thought the easiest and cheapest thing for the manufacturers to do is have the same fittings rather than produce variations so there must be a reason. The other possibility is that this is new and will be rolled out to the other rugs eventually.
Fwiw I've find either the fittings give way or it rips the rug where it's attached.
I would have thought the easiest and cheapest thing for the manufacturers to do is have the same fittings rather than produce variations so there must be a reason. The other possibility is that this is new and will be rolled out to the other rugs eventually.
Fwiw I've find either the fittings give way or it rips the rug where it's attached.
Meowy Catkin
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Yes, once the non clip end goes tight it can be a real pain to ease it loose again.
Criso - yes maybe more of their rugs will have this thinner webbing. We'll have to wait and see.
Summit
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Or contact Horsewear and ask them? Would save speculation
Meowy Catkin
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That's very true, although I'm glad that I got a knowledgeable reply from someone independant (Oz).
cremedemonthe
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Forgot to add, DON'T put the webbing IN the flame if you can help it, it does catch light.
Try to brush the mud off the webbing or wash it and leave it to dry off so you can see what you are doing properly and not just guessing where the web is under the dirt.
Always have a jug of water around to dip it in if you can't control any flames manifesting.
DO not let your children do it.
Just offer the webbing whether polyester or polypropylene, up to the flame.
With experience you'll know how close you can get to it to melt it without it catching light.
I have done many, many thousands and still manage to catch it alight now and again!
If you have any knackered rugs or headcollars use the webbing to practice this method on, perfect it before you try it on your decent rugs, hope that helps, Oz
Try to brush the mud off the webbing or wash it and leave it to dry off so you can see what you are doing properly and not just guessing where the web is under the dirt.
Always have a jug of water around to dip it in if you can't control any flames manifesting.
DO not let your children do it.
Just offer the webbing whether polyester or polypropylene, up to the flame.
With experience you'll know how close you can get to it to melt it without it catching light.
I have done many, many thousands and still manage to catch it alight now and again!
If you have any knackered rugs or headcollars use the webbing to practice this method on, perfect it before you try it on your decent rugs, hope that helps, Oz
Dubsie
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A soldering iron works well as you can smooth and flatten with it at the same time, no waving naked flame about.
Meowy Catkin
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Thanks for that tip.