How flat are these feet? **pics**

you,r horse has serious[man made ] footproblems.. i think from reading you,r post ,that you are confused between low heels and flat sole.
from th pic i casee that he has collapsed, underrun heels,
this gives him a very low hoof/pastern angle[causes navicular syndrome] his toe is way too far forward and so is the shoe,[causing heavy toe landing, and causing navicular.
there is nothing left to nail to at the quarters, so the nails are driven deep at the toe area. i would say that the nails are through t he sensative laminae, and perhaps very, very near the bone.
the picture shows a better sole than i imagined, it is a little flat but i,v seen a lot worse.
i would ask you,r farrier just exactly what his plans are for you,r horse, into what will he drive the next lot of nails, and when there is nothing left, what will he do.
how will the horse ever grow healthy heels. the whole thing is a disgrace, and god help the horse
 
if it were my horse and i were worried about what to do for the best, i would have a chat to my vet and probably get the front feet xrayed. Then have a 'team' meeting with vet farrier and myself infront of the xrays themselves, and go from there, i would be concerned about navicular too, and would want to irradicate it from my mind, the best way to do that would be bite the bullet and xray!!!!
 
My old TB had collapsed heels, long toes and almose convex soles with paper thin soles. the quality of the hoof was also very poor. I found that feeding formula 4 feet worked well, as it did seem to improve the hoof quality and the shoes stayed on longer. My boy was shod every 5 weeks with egg bars and horse trax pads and keeping his toes very very short, for the last 4 years of his life and was the soundest horse on the yard! we did try the equipak but we didn't get on with it. In addition to the supliment I also kept his nail holes as clean as I could using either hydrogen peroxide or keratex nail hole disinfectant and lashings of hoof dressing/vegi oil.

I am at work at the moment so cannot comment on your photos or upload some photos of my boy so that you have a comparason
 
i dont think the comments were stupid, really stupid
but i think you were rude and wrong,and obviously not up to speed on modern day remedial work. when good remedial hoofcare people read posts like yours, i lets us see how far hoofcare has to come, and how hard it will be to covince the people who dont know and dont want to know. god help the horse.
 
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My old TB had collapsed heels, long toes and almose convex soles with paper thin soles. the quality of the hoof was also very poor. I found that feeding formula 4 feet worked well, as it did seem to improve the hoof quality and the shoes stayed on longer. My boy was shod every 5 weeks with egg bars and horse trax pads and keeping his toes very very short, for the last 4 years of his life and was the soundest horse on the yard! we did try the equipak but we didn't get on with it. In addition to the supliment I also kept his nail holes as clean as I could using either hydrogen peroxide or keratex nail hole disinfectant and lashings of hoof dressing/vegi oil.

I am at work at the moment so cannot comment on your photos or upload some photos of my boy so that you have a comparason

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I am pleased that maybe it seems I haven't done the wrong thing with eggbars! I am going to go and buy some supplement today - can I feed more than one or should I stick with one?

So far the options put forward have been;

Biotin
Profeed
Gellatine
Formula 4 Feet

Which should I go for?? xx
 
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i would say that the nails are through t he sensative laminae, and perhaps very, very near the bone. the whole thing is a disgrace, and god help the horse

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What a load of rubbish, the horse I am sure would be hopping lame if that were the case.
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Why don't we all go round to that big bad nasty Farriers' house that put those shoes on and string him up and beat him with a big stick for being such a bad lad
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Can't beat a good witchhunt I say.
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when good remedial hoofcare people read posts like yours, i lets us see how far hoofcare has to come, and how hard it will be to covince the people who dont know and dont want to know. god help the horse.

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Did anybody say they didn't want to know?
And as for the "god help the horse" comment I find that rather unfair - are you implying that I have mistreated my horse? In actual fact he has been looked after considerably well!
 
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i would say that the nails are through t he sensative laminae, and perhaps very, very near the bone. the whole thing is a disgrace, and god help the horse

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What a load of rubbish, the horse I am sure would be hopping lame if that were the case.
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Why don't we all go round to that big bad nasty Farriers' house that put those shoes on and string him up and beat him with a big stick for being such a bad lad
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Can't beat a good witchhunt I say.
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ooo, yes let's go...i love a good witch-hunt.
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My worry with my horse was that was he actually absorbing the biotin correctly from the hind gut I went for formula 4 feet as it is an all round balancer and supports the digestive system too and I didn't know what else my horse was difficient in. As for hoof dressings I found the simple options the best and scrubbed his feet daily with dilute hydrogen peroxide and then liberally covered his hooves with vegi oil.
 
Hmmm, surely if the nails were in the laminae the horse would be hobbling?! I don't think your comments are in any way designed to aid the OP with her question! Whatever cause you are trying to support here you are doing a bad job!!

TBH OP I would go with the earlier suggestion of getting vet and farrier together and discussing concerns/future action etc.

Best of luck with him
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I have had mine on both F4F and naf pro feet. They really improved after 9 months on the naf but have deterirated since switching to F4F (i did this as it is pelleted so easier to feed and unfed welshie in the summer).

So in my experience profeet is better and he is going back on it.
 
no great need to pay for x rays, you can plainly see that the long toe has pulled the hoof wall away from the pedal bone, this is stretched white line, but can look on an x ray as rotation. the farrier who nailed that shoe on so far rorward,
does not know the eqwine foot
there is a simple procedure nowdays for dealing with a problem like this,and it does not involve nailing an egbar shoe onto a foot with no quarters to nail to, no heels and very long toe with separation
 
I think it is one of those things where one product suits one animal better than another. It just happened that suited mine.
It may be that the OP will need to take pot luck and give something a go for 9 months or so to see if it works for her horse
 
Your comment was stupid.. You were implying the the eegbars were doing nothing.. when they had been on for 4 days.. alittle too short a time to tell im afraid..

I was rude and you know what.. I was glad I was because you were fear mongering and thats wrong..

I happen to be quite clued up on farriery.. We shall leave i there.

I really do beleive that 'God help the horse' is not a very nice or polite comment.. is not helpful and is not iving Fiona any confidence in a difficult time!

Lou x
 
small suggestion hs, if you honestly want to give useful advice it may help to word your posts slightly differently such as: The problems I see with the feet are a, b, c. (and you may point out here if you think the farriery is exacerbating the problem).

Follow this up with if I were in charge of this horse I would be doing: d,e and f.

This maybe more helpful and less inflammatory to other people on this thread who are trying to help the OP.
 
QR and you dont know how to spell equine
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i know how you feel, my tb has flat crumbly feet and is done every 6 weeks at £65 a time
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and whatever i do they always seem to look pants
 
supplements.. as said are a bit of a pot luck. I would personaly advise profeet.. as its liquid and easily digested. But I know horses whove responded really well to F4F/Farrier formula.. and I dont really rate Biotin on its own, it needs the support from seaweed and other nutrients..

Gelatine, is the cheep and lower level option =o)
World is your oyster!

Lou x
 
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I think it is one of those things where one product suits one animal better than another. It just happened that suited mine.
It may be that the OP will need to take pot luck and give something a go for 9 months or so to see if it works for her horse

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Exactly, I used f4f after advice on here and know it works for lots of people, just doesn't seem to for mine. Horses for courses as they say!
 
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I have had mine on both F4F and naf pro feet. They really improved after 9 months on the naf but have deterirated since switching to F4F (i did this as it is pelleted so easier to feed and unfed welshie in the summer).

So in my experience profeet is better and he is going back on it.

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thank you
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you ar an example of how the horse will never get the correct treatment, you have no solution ,you dont know, but instead you comment on other peoples advice i support no cause or whatever you said, i work on horses like that every day, anything i say is based on what i see every day. i could sort that horse easy, very easy. so if you dont really know the subjest dont give advice, you are making things worse. and by the way the farrier has had a go, look at the pictures. THE NAILS ARE INTO WHAT WAS THE SENSATIVE LAMINAE read a book with pictures
 
i really am grateful to you all so much for all your help! It gives me hope that so many of you have come through problems such as we are having.

Decision made - I am going now to the shop to buy supplement. I am going to trot Rocky up tonight and if still slightly lame I will call vet in the morning and ask her advice - either wait a few more days or go ahead with xrays.

Thanks again for all your help - I will post again tonight whether he is still lame or not

Fiona xx
 
As I have said I have not seen the photos, but from what I am reading it sounds like the OP has a similar problem that I had.

Every farrier has a different take on what is the best to do, and it also depends on what the farrier has to work with. My horse was fitted with egg bars and the relif in his face was very very real so these shoes do have a place for these horses. My farrier also took my boys toes right the way back to the white line, a move that would have crippled most horses, and something that would horrify most on here, but it worked for my horse. Every hoof person has a different approach and will not agree with anothers work, however sometimes if it works you don't change it just because you don't agree.
 
You are an example of why people feel bullied into decisions, by people with little or not social skills. You are the reason the profession of farriery has a bad name.
You are arrogant and full of yourself.. get a grip.

Lou x
 
I just don't understand why someone who presumably cares about horses and has a thing for feet cannot actually give constructive advice, just rant about what is currently being done.
 
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, look at the pictures. THE NAILS ARE INTO WHAT WAS THE SENSATIVE LAMINAE read a book with pictures

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now, im no expert but i have learnt a fair amount over the last few years, now if im correct, when horses get laminitis, this is where the laminai is inflamed causing crippling lameness resulting in rotation, so surley if the nails were through the laminai the horse would be in alot of pain and very lame!! and i think a few people on here would agree with me on that
 
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