How flat are these feet? **pics**

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TBH OP I would go with the earlier suggestion of getting vet and farrier together and discussing concerns/future action etc.

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Yep - gotta agree completely.
 
I offered no advice except to get the profesionals together for a discussion. Of course I don't have a solution I am not a farrier, vet or other professional and no I'm not going to offer a solution based on a couple of photos! I am in no way making things worse! I think you ought to credit the the OP with the intelligence she has to make up her own mind!

If you could 'sort' the horse so easily then where is your constructive advice and support?!
 
The nails are not in the laminae. The horse would me crippled. The same as they are when they are nailbound.
'what was the senstive laminae' the laminae does not desesitise.. if you mean the spread from the swelling of the laminae.. again your far off the mark.. this horse doesnt strike me.. from the hoof growth.. to have suffered laminitis..

Lou x
 
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was that aimed at me ester? I dont think So im jsut checking/ =o)

Lou x

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of course not Lou! aimed at hs.
 
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He is done every 6 weeks normally, but as he has just had egg bar shoes on farrier wants to do the fronts every 4!

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Yep - my horse is currently on a 4 week shoeing programme (normally 5). The bar shoes, and the greater support on the heal, should promote hoof growth.
 
i did,nt say the eggbars were doing nothing, i said they are doing harm. the poster would not be on this forum if she was not worried. the pictures speak for themselves, but i think you know that, trying to defend bad workmanship is pathetic. having a go at my quite bad computer skills is pathetic, go and learn up to date hoofcare methods. i dont bully anybody, i looked at the pictures and i was disgusted,
were you not
 
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i did,nt say the eggbars were doing nothing, i said they are doing harm. the poster would not be on this forum if she was not worried. the pictures speak for themselves, but i think you know that, trying to defend bad workmanship is pathetic. having a go at my quite bad computer skills is pathetic, go and learn up to date hoofcare methods. i dont bully anybody, i looked at the pictures and i was disgusted,
were you not

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Enlighten us and the OP then, what would you do..........
 
No I wasnt disgusted. I think the farrier has made a good call going to bar shoes and improvements will be seen shortly in the future. However I dont think that unhelpful comments that knock Fiona's confidence will help remotely.

Lou x
 
Actually if you've seen a lot of Thoroughbred feet (and we always had TBs when I was a kid), those feet aren't the worst I've seen. TBs often naturally have flat feet and low heels and dumping the toe right back in a very short space of time seems to cripple them in my experience. Yes, you don't want the toe too long but shortening it too fast just makes the feet very small and painful. Eggbars are a nice idea if, and only if, you can keep the buggers on!! I tried them on one of mine and he just couldn't keep them on, even with overreach boots all round. In the end, the damage done to the hoof wall by him ripping them off every week was greater than the benefit. I opted for Natural Balance wide web rolled shoes and they are really good.

Navicular is a bit more complex than originally thought - if you Xrayed a lot of TBs with flat feet, you'd probably find navicular changes on the Xrays but some of them would be sound and not appear to have any problems. I'd give the horses 2-3 shoeings and see how he gets on. In my experience, farriers know a lot more about foot problems than most vets so if you have a good one that you trust, go with his opinion and get the vet involved if you're worried there might be something else.
 
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oh i wasnt suggesting it had laminitis, i was comparing that if the nails were through the laminai that surley the horse would be lame the same if they had laminitis?
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as im confused as how he can see that they are going through the laminai from the photo
 
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wrong, i am a remedial farrier, i work between the
U A E, U S A and UK. sorry about that

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Interesting. So, as another poster asked - what would your solution be for this horse??
 
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Yes, you don't want the toe too long but shortening it too fast just makes the feet very small and painful. Eggbars are a nice idea if, and only if, you can keep the buggers on!!

Navicular is a bit more complex than originally thought - if you Xrayed a lot of TBs with flat feet, you'd probably find navicular changes on the Xrays but some of them would be sound and not appear to have any problems. I'd give the horses 2-3 shoeings and see how he gets on.

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This is why we have taken it very slowly. In our shoeing 12 weeks ago we tried taking slightly more off the front than normal (just a fraction) and he went lame. This is why we are now trying eggbars! I do keep cringing whenever I walk over to the field however in case he has pulled them off!!!

I think I agree with a lot of the advice given - I am going to feed a supplement to help promote healthy hoof growth, I am going to get my farrer and vet together to chat too.

IF Rocky is still unsound tonight I will still ring my vet for a chat, just to keep her in the loop etc.

Thank you again for all of your help - I will keep you all posted!
 
the horse does not have laminits, it has stretched laminate due to the hoof wall being long and pulled and stretched forward, this wide stretched laminae will be dead so far up the hoof wall, and as a result will have no feeling. however the stretched laminae will be very prone to abcess
 
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the horse does not have laminits, it has stretched laminate due to the hoof wall being long and pulled and stretched forward, this wide stretched laminae will be dead so far up the hoof wall, and as a result will have no feeling. however the stretched laminae will be very prone to abcess

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what do you suggest I do to treat this then?
 
Frustrating isn't it Lou. as complete lay person am happy to here multiple possibilities for this horses feet but a simple straight forward answer does not appear to be forthcoming.
 
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Frustrating isn't it Lou. as complete lay person am happy to here multiple possibilities for this horses feet but a simple straight forward answer does not appear to be forthcoming.

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Exactly. Especially as this post has some relevance on my own horse's situation....
 
I wouldn't be at all happy if those were my horse's feet and if I had been using the same farrier for some time (as opposed to just having moved to one who is trying to sort out someone elses past work), I think I would be inclined to change.

Correct foot balance is just so SO important, I have learnt this the hard way! Photographs only tell half the story- your vet and farrier can learn much more from watching how his feet fall, and the way he moves. I agree with those who have suggested that a meeting between you, your vet and your farrier is the best way forward.
 
I don't know enough to comment on if your farrier has done the right thing or not, but wanted to add that my farrier was involved in trialling Naf Pro Feet which he recommended I try for my Tb with bad feet. So bad I was lucky if his fronts stayed on for ten days. Broke so much foot he ended up with a quittor..... ring any bells Hoofsculpture...... after only two weeks on the Naf Pro Foot there was a visible difference and he never lost another shoe for the further 8 months he was with me.
 
I wouldn't say his feet were that bad at all, looks like the farrier is trying to bring them up to scratch with the egg bar shoes. I've seen them work wonders on a fair few TB's with low heals and flat soles.

If you can maybe call the vet and explain the situation, has he been lame constantly since April or did he come right then go lame again?
 
NAILED you are more intrested in me, than the horse. anything i say will be torn apart by you.. you seem to think that a horse with no,underrun, colapsed heels, high flare, long toes, can be shod with no major ajustments to hoof shape. so have a think, and let the forum know what you would do before you nailed on the shoes, there has to be something you would do. and into what would you nail the next shoes. just think. i will p m the owner with detailed rehab methods
 
At the risk of add ing more expense and fear mongering to your concerns you might want to contact an ostepath or similar. I had one recently who went to great care to explain what was happening to my boys skeletal and muscular system in compensation for his problems in his feet (total muscle wastage in back end and huge neck muscle through leaning forward as forelegs set under too much). She also analysed his gait (he came down too much heel first) and just doenst track up, and throws his shoulder. My horse has huge issues all round but that doesnt mean your horse will. Hearing all the experiences on here helps you form your own opnions and options that could be available to you and things that could be suggested to help your horse. My first remedial farrier put on eggbars, this made my horse worse so we took off as they were crushing his heels even more.

Also in reference to being shod only 4 days ago, I was told to give my horse a week before assessing lameness as even slight changes to the angles and balance can cause soreness. Having said that I feel I did delay in getting expert help and this made the problem worse.

It sounds like you are doing all the right things so keep up the good work. Read all the replies on here, ignore the arguments and feel that you are armed with lots of questions and counter questions about what the possibilities affecting your horse so that you can have a good discussion with vet and farrier. Good luck!
 
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