Ballerina
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I doubt she'll pass a vetting but then what do I do if she doesn't ?
The only thing you can use a failed vetting for is a bargaining chip if they want a lot of money for her. Really you're going to have to take the bull by the er horns. Or just let sleeping dogs lie and hope you can keep her long term on loan.
The only thing you can use a failed vetting for is a bargaining chip if they want a lot of money for her. Really you're going to have to take the bull by the er horns. Or just let sleeping dogs lie and hope you can keep her long term on loan.
I doubt she'll pass a vetting but then what do I do if she doesn't ?
Are you really thinking of spending two thousand pounds on a horse that you don't believe will pass a vet?
I'm happy to keep loaning as she's doing the job I'm asking of her and she loves work. She likes routine and that's what she's got with me. No I wouldn't pay £2000 for a horse with problems that's y I came on here to find out what price horses sell with herhistory. This post has gone from asking what price to twisted pelvis to vetting lol , madness ��
Yes lots of horses can jump one fence of 90cm, a lot less can jump a course of 90cm with twists, turns, doubles and skinnies
A horse than can commands a premium
Really tho you can't sink any amount of money into a horse and expect to break even down the line. You are lucky if you do and even luckier if you have anything you can remotely call a profit. Some you win some you lose that is horses however many vettings and x rays you do!
I would expect any horse to be able to jump a course of 90cm. Including doubles etc.
I would expect a 4 year old horse to pop round a course of 90cm. I wouldn't expect to jump any skinnier unless winged and more experienced/end of year and also with minimal fillers, but jumping a course isn't a difficult task. Obviously it will not be perfect but 90cm isn't big and shouldn't Be an issue.
Tbh I'd be wary of a horse that couldn't jump a course of 90cm, unless injury etc. I expect even valegro could jump a course of 90cms!
I definitely don't agree that there is a premium on those that can jump a course of 90cms - unless a true schoolmaster and those are very rare.
Profit? What is this profit you speak of?
Going back to your original question, OP, what would I pay for her? Objectively, not knowing this horse - more than meat money, but not much more. In your shoes? Double meat money, maybe up to 1K (but would keep that to myself when negotiating).
2K is a bit high for this one, I think. Hard to say not seeing it, of course. You say the owners love her and think she's worth her weight in gold, so I expect the asking price is rather influenced by that. You have a good case for keeping the price low, given her faults. As FW said, the inability to pass a vetting is a bargaining chip.
I went out on Tuesday, first competitive outing of the year, first class 70cm and of 20 starters there was one clear
Exactly, I was going to say that most ua jumping will show a lot of horses that can't /won't go clear at 60 let alone 90
That's the riders, not the horses!
I love seeing people out and about doing stuff like this and W&T dressage tests, but I'm surprised by the low expectations of many horse buyers these days.
IMO, there's nothing special about a horse which can jump two foot nine. Before I gave up selling the odd one or two, it was simply expected that any horse sold as a riding cub level horse would jump a course at two foot nine. At shows, there was no class lower that two foot nine. That's also why 1m 10 at BE is called 'Novice', it was considered the beginner's class, there was no 80, 90 or 100.
But I think that's the point - there's a big difference between a horse that can physically get round a 90 course and one that will take a rider round. The latter is what people are actually looking for
Any rider can stop a horse jumping. A horse that won't stop after being ridden for six months with someone with no jumping skill/courage at all would be so rare it may as well have wings.(and how would you prove it?) There's no suggestion that this horse is one of those, is there? I suspect the rider is simply a perfectly competent rider for 90cm.
Many years ago when I was looking to buy a horse my instructor advised that any horse should be capable of jumping round a 3' track and doing a medium level dressage test. I think expectations these days are much lower - as it is the standard of riding of a lot of people.
If I were in your shoes I'd pay the £2k and count my lucky stars I'd got such a good quality horse
I went out on Tuesday, first competitive outing of the year, first class 70cm and of 20 starters there was one clear
But I would suspect that is due to riders rather than horses.
And I didn't mean a horse would jump clear every single time at 90cms, but I would expect them to jump 90% clear and be able to cope with doing a course tbh, even without much schooling. but I still maintain that every horse should be able to jump 90cm courses, it's not big!
But I'm from NI so maybe expect more from horses. A horse that couldn't jump 90cms would be worth very little here! But then also don't understand why people have to "teach" a horse to jump, surely they know already lol. School them over courses and fillers, but to actually teach a horse to jump a single fence?!