How NOT to ride a young horse forward.

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funny how the yard in this video looks exactly the same as the one that features in lots of their other videos, who do they think they are trying to kid! hmmmmmph really not impressed and despite nice looking horses most certainly will never buy one from them based on what I've seen today.
 
Look on UKSJ FB page. Name given for rider and women videoing.

They'll be in damage limitation mode now having moved on from
' don't know what all the fuss is about'.

Hence the denials.
 
Argh! How damn awful. To echo others, hope the poor baby horse does not suffer from this ordeal in the future.

Some people are utter eeejits and animal abusers! Why they think that is acceptable is beyond me. No wonder so many horses are ruined. Always rider error not horse error!

Bet the Billy stud are well chuffed! Denial or not, will hurt their business too.

Get ... shut down, bunch of abusing w.........rs
 
Shall we stop talking about it now - until there is an outcome to report, especially from the old owners and the collection of the horse???
 
How they're going to try and prove its not them I do not know!!

Disgusting, I hope at least this topic makes them feel ashamed of their behaviour if nothing else.
 
Until its confirmed the old owners have the horse back in their care, i'm with AmyMay on this one.....don't jepordise the horse being taken out that hell hole.
 
kirstykate said:
I am NOT condoning this behavior at all, but we dont have the full facts, how do what not know that this is not the last stop saloon for a serial bucker? The horse may already be damaged goods and they are trying to fix the problem before it goes in a hole?
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You dont need to know anything further, this video says it all. Even if it was a serial bucker, the horse stops bucking a few times and still gets smacked - what on earth does that teach it? You buck you get a smack, you dont buck you get a smack!
 
3bh said:
I do hope you are right (on the former point!) for the horses sake.

Billy stud released a statement saying they have never had any direct dealings with ...?
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Thank you to TFC for allowing this thread to stay and editing out the name I mentionned, I appreciate that as this is something that NEEDs to be discussed, not just deleted as per NL threads.
 
Do you know what is sad. When I saw this video for the first time my thoughts were of anger, but that was all. Why because abuse of humans & animals takes place every single day in every single country. You become detached, angry, but detached. It was the use of Tic Toc's name that made me watch it again. Even at my age it caused me to start shaking & I just felt utter dispaire. I asked who I thought owned him if he had sold him to these people. He did not seem to think he had but had not delt with the sale. He saw the video & was a bit unsure & went to investigate before coming back & confirming it was his horse. I had to hang up as I just could not stop the sobs, I was utterly devasted that such a lovely baby had ended up with low lives like these. So I had gone from being angry because it was "Just another horse" to complete & utter dispaire because it has somehow become personal. This is not just down to overbreeding, as horses are still being imported into the UK. This is a combination of things, people not wanting to pay a decent price for one thing. This young horse sold for less then his stud fee. Circumstances meant he had to be found a home. People were unwilling to pay a fair price for a youngster that had done so little, because there are so many cheap horses out there. I enquired about a lovely 6yo mare for 500 a 16hh WB. Because I was going to see her before this other woman who had arranged to view her later, she transfered the deposit without even seeing the mare. Same with another one, a nice 4yo TB mare sold for 495 & it goes on. The people selling are not vetting the homes. They have no idea where these horses are going. One thing is for sure, it is not for meat, prices are down in that area as there is no shortage of animals. If people can not respect each other, then we sure as hell will not respect our animals.
 
It's really sad and so unnecessary. My horse was abused by a trainer whom I know has abused many horses and people still think he is good. It has taken 2 years for my horse to trust again. He has turned kind horses aggressive with his abusive handling and riding, even witnessed by one owner.
This is why I would never trust sending a horse away to a trainer - this is all too common and it makes me very sad.
 
magic104 said:
If people can not respect each other, then we sure as hell will not respect our animals.
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Totally agree with all your post, but that sentence stands out. Hope the old owner gets his horse back, and I hope the idiots who bought him chose another hobby - one that doesn't involve animals of any kind
 
I'm sorry that this has affected you personally Magic, it is really sad. I'm not totally clear on the point you are making though?
I understand that the owner bought the horse with the intention of producing it and selling on and that for one reason or another this didn't work out. However the owner doesn't seem from your description to have taken much interest in what happened to the horse. It seems like they allowed a third party to sell it on to someone else without knowing who they are or checking them out at all. I believe that when you breed/buy/import an animal you are responsible for it. If it turns out not to be suitable for you then it's your responsibility to find it a job of work, produce it to a point where it has a chance and do your best to find it a suitable home. I'm glad the owner is trying to do the right thing and get the horse back now but it's a shame for the horse that it had to spend any time in those circumstances at all. If people took the commitment of owning a horse more seriously there would be less opportunity for Idiots like those in the video to make a living (and let me be clear I would never tire of kicking people like these, they are wholly to blame for the appauling treatment that poor animal has recieved).
Something is only worth what someone is prepared to pay for it and this example only highlights that many many animals through no fault of their own end up in crappy situations. I can see you are genuinely upset and care what happens to this horse and I'm not trying to be inflammatory or take a pop at the owner, I'm sure that everyone went into this with the best of intentions. It just saddens me that so many people view a living sentient creature as disposable and the opportunity to turn a profit.
I've read this back and I've tried to word it very carefully. I'm honestly not trying to wind anyone up or point fingers about this particular case but I do think this typifies a problem the horse industry has and is one that many people contribute to by breeding or buying horses they are not intending to keep.
 
The horse seemed to be bucking because the rider was slapping him :( I know we don't know the full story but if the horse was on his last chance that's not the way to be treating him, he was trying to get away from the whip.

Bully riders like that really p--s me off :mad:
 
It's no secret me and Mr. EI start horses for a living. I gave him the background on TicToc. Such as 4yo. Been lightly backed, was off 6 weeks then sent here to continue training. I said this video was of him about an hour after arriving. He heard and saw the first whip crack and said "WTF", are they serious?" More explicatives and what did that wee baby do to deserve that? Then he said send poor baby to me!

At any rate, I'm gobsmacked at the lack of consideration for this or any horse these people seem to have. They need a new career. They need to walk away from live animals. This is not how you start babies. This is not how you want a horse to begin a 10 plus year of a career. Probably longer. I have no words really. I'm very saddened by it all and I know first hand this crap exists everywhere.

By the way don't know if this is true or not but hubby said that if this rider works in racing at all, he can be banned for this type of abuse.

Terri
 
I hope to god the horse gets back to the former owner and if those low lives don't let it go back then we will need to launch a campaign...

For the record I counted 15 smacks minimum in 50 seconds.

Hearing the rest of the story I am utterly gutted for that poor horse.
 
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