How to tell if she has ulcers without scoping?

[ycbm]

You can't
Only way to tell is to scope.

Well, whilst that is absolutely true, if you give aloe vera, or a course of Nexium, and all the symptoms disappear, then you can be reasonably sure that the horse had ulcers and that they are no longer bothering them.
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[Gloi]

Went to a vet talk recently where the vet had said that the only way to check if a horse had ulcers was to scope. Afterwards when he was asking for any questions someone said an animal communicator had told her her horse said he had ulcers. I'm still not sure if they were a plant.

 

[Darcey22]

Went to a vet talk recently where the vet had said that the only way to check if a horse had ulcers was to scope. Afterwards when he was asking for any questions someone said an animal communicator had told her her horse said he had ulcers. I'm still not sure if they were a plant.

I can’t help but think A vet would say that as they want to money for scoping! They can’t see if they have back ulcers even with a scope

 

[w1bbler]

Be careful with your insurance, you have now alerted them to an existing condition. There is now a 12 month clock ticking if you need treatment & some sort of preexisting condition on your notes

 

[Gloi]

I can’t help but think A vet would say that as they want to money for scoping! They can’t see if they have back ulcers even with a scope

They weren't connected to our vets. They were a visiting expert in ulcers.

 

[Sossigpoker]

I can’t help but think A vet would say that as they want to money for scoping! They can’t see if they have back ulcers even with a scope

They would say that because it's a fact.
There is no way of diagnosing gastric ulcers without having a look with a scope.

 

[Darcey22]

Be careful with your insurance, you have now alerted them to an existing condition. There is now a 12 month clock ticking if you need treatment & some sort of preexisting condition on your notes

Does that apply even if it doesn’t turn out to be anything other that a moody mare? All I said to them was that I may take her to the vets to be scoped and does the insurance cover that if I did?

 

[Barton Bounty]

Does that apply even if it doesn’t turn out to be anything other that a moody mare? All I said to them was that I may take her to the vets to be scoped and does the insurance cover that if I did?

I know! This happened to me, someone I knows horse went through the ulcer route, so I thought to myself , I better ring and check just in case! They sent me an exclusion out 4 days later? I only asked! ?

 

[Sossigpoker]

Does that apply even if it doesn’t turn out to be anything other that a moody mare? All I said to them was that I may take her to the vets to be scoped and does the insurance cover that if I did?

Potentially yes.
They might exclude any gastrointestinal symptoms or similar.

 

[Darcey22]

I know! This happened to me, someone I knows horse went through the ulcer route, so I thought to myself , I better ring and check just in case! They sent me an exclusion out 4 days later? I only asked! ?

Omg that’s horrendous! I hope you queried it!!? I honestly hate insurance companies. Don’t think I am going to bother renewing when it comes up! X

 

[Barton Bounty]

Omg that’s horrendous! I hope you queried it!!? I honestly hate insurance companies. Don’t think I am going to bother renewing when it comes up! X

I did and I was told if I wanted to renew my policy with them then they would exclude ulcers! ? needless to say I went with someone else x

 

[Gloi]

So it looks like if you are doing anything on insurance you should do it asap if you aren't renewing

 

[onemoretime]

I know! This happened to me, someone I knows horse went through the ulcer route, so I thought to myself , I better ring and check just in case! They sent me an exclusion out 4 days later? I only asked! ?

 

[onemoretime]

Potentially yes.
They might exclude any gastrointestinal symptoms or similar.

This, and includes colic.

 

[Dasher66]

My horse reacted positively overnight to an ulcer supplement. I immediately called the vet and asked for a scoping to confirm, before forking out for the gastroguard.
I’d recommend using the stuff for hind gut, can’t remember the name, alongside GG to avoid having to do it all twice.

 

[terrierliz]

Fullers earth if I remember correctly dont do food grade! I have ended up with kilos because I bought the wrong stuff ?

I tried out aloe vera on your recommendation and he has been doing brilliantly

please can I ask which aloe Vera juice you tried? Thanks

 

[Darcey22]

I did and I was told if I wanted to renew my policy with them then they would exclude ulcers! ? needless to say I went with someone else x

Yep, defo wouldn’t be renewing with them then! Who was it! X

 

[Darcey22]

So it looks like if you are doing anything on insurance you should do it asap if you aren't renewing

Still got 8 months to go so should be fine x

 

[Barton Bounty]

Yep, defo wouldn’t be renewing with them then! Who was it! X

Scottish equestrian x

 

[Barton Bounty]

please can I ask which aloe Vera juice you tried? Thanks

Of course.. this one

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/25282232...CrbW3X_Sdm&var=&widget_ver=artemis&media=COPY

 

[Barton Bounty]

My horse reacted positively overnight to an ulcer supplement. I immediately called the vet and asked for a scoping to confirm, before forking out for the gastroguard.
I’d recommend using the stuff for hind gut, can’t remember the name, alongside GG to avoid having to do it all twice.

Is it sucralflex? Cant remember

 

[Gloi]

Is it sucralflex? Cant remember

Sucralfate

 

[Barton Bounty]

Sucralfate

Thats it , tongue twister lol

 

[Dasher66]

Thank you. It’s essential.
xx

 

[Fruitcake]

If you've alerted your insurance company to possible ulcer symptoms, it will almost definitely be excluded (and from any policy with another provider as they cross- reference) so if you are planning on scoping, you're best doing it sooner rather than later.

That being said, after having a horse who's been through numerous scopes in the past (and is now managed on a low-level of Peptizole), I'm pretty sure I won't scope ever again. It's really stressful for them. The overnight starving must be awful for a horse already suffering with ulcers. I know insurance companies won't pay for Omeprazole without evidence from scoping, but to be honest, once you've paid the excess and for the cost of the scoping, if your vet's happy to write you a prescription for a trial of Omeprazole, you might as well just fork out for it. A box of Petizole is only £130 from Viovet. That will treat a 500kg horse for 9 days at a full dose or 5 weeks at a quarter dose. If it were ulcers, you'd be likely to see a difference within this time and could decide where to go from there.

 

[Fieldlife]

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[seamoth]

Someone further up the thread suggested hind gut ulcers, I specifically asked my Vet if my Mare could have these and she said there is no such thing. Don't know either way but people do talk about them

 

[Barton Bounty]

Someone further up the thread suggested hind gut ulcers, I specifically asked my Vet if my Mare could have these and she said there is no such thing. Don't know either way but people do talk about them

They are often known as colonic ulcers as usually thats where they are found, the colon. I dont know for certain either but what I am doing is working ?

 

[Birker2020]

Went to a vet talk recently where the vet had said that the only way to check if a horse had ulcers was to scope. Afterwards when he was asking for any questions someone said an animal communicator had told her her horse said he had ulcers. I'm still not sure if they were a plant.

Not to hijack the post but my animal communicator told me my horse had a cracked tooth without looking in her mouth and so I went ahead and got the EDT out even though she's had the dentist three months prior and he had a massive slab fracture at the top back. No way she could have seen this. So I do think they do know. Don't ask me how, and I know it sounds daft but if my AC told me my horse had ulcers it would be scoped immediately, she's never been wrong.

 

[ownedbyaconnie]

I got a vet out years ago and mentioned ulcers. Nothing was done but it was mentioned in her vet history that I had queried ulcers. I have just successfully claimed for ulcer treatment about 5 years later (Petplan).

For my pony the only symptom she had was she became impossible to bend round your right leg. A bit girthy maybe. I know a few people who after their 12 months are up, if they suspect ulcers are back they just pop them back on sucralfate and if their symptoms ease then treat as if they have ulcers.