Hunt Sab ran over

[palo1]

Well, by your own logic on another post that would be ok because pro hunters do pretty much the same to sabs, ie following them home, damaging vehicles and now attempted murder. I am not saying death threats are right on either side but the land owner is breaking the law by allowing hunting fox with hounds on her land. I will be putting you back on ignore by the way. I just wanted to see what you had to say about this latest incident.... I was not surprised!

I have NEVER condoned anything like the behaviour you are suggesting (though I know you won't see this post!). Somehow it seems ok for anti hunters to post about negative hunt activities but not for pro hunters to post about sab activities. That is utterly mystifying tbh.

 

[Barton Bounty]

I think you mean “know your place”.

No, I am not stupid! I mean stick to what concerns you and dont poke your nose into other peoples business!

 

[Sandstone1]

No, I am not stupid! I mean stick to what concerns you and dont poke your nose into other peoples business!

Even if what you are protesting about is illegal, cruel and outdated?

 

[bonny]

No, I am not stupid! I mean stick to what concerns you and dont poke your nose into other peoples business!

I, for one, am grateful that we have people who are concerned enough about issues that they try to do something about it.

 

[AmyMay]

No, I am not stupid! I mean stick to what concerns you and dont poke your nose into other peoples business!

If animal welfare concerns you - stand up for it.

If FGM concerns you - stand up for it.

If climate change concerns you - stand up for it.

If votes for women concern you - stand up for it.

If the war in Ukraine concerns you - stand up for it.

Of course, all of the above could be termed as ‘other peoples business’. So which (if any) shall we not stick our noses in to?

There’s nothing wrong in not protesting a cause. But never run those down that feel strongly enough to do so.

 

[HashRouge]

That’s a very odd conclusion to what I said.

Apologies - you said the whole thread was depressing, and as most of the thread was people defending the right to protest, I thought you perhaps weren't a fan! Apologies if that was a misinterpretation of your meaning.

 

[Tiddlypom]

Wow, some posters have thoroughly outed themselves, haven't they .

Had my suspicions for a while, now confirmed.

 

[ArklePig]

Some really disturbing comments on this thread. It's possible to hate sabs (I don't) and think it's wrong to run someone over on purpose.

I love protestors. I love being able to vote, being able to have an abortion, marriage equality and all that other good stuff that is a direct result of protesting (the latter two very recently and that I'm proud to have personally marched and canvassed for). Even if I didn't like protestors and enjoyed the taste of leather like some on this thread seem to, I couldn't imagine the mental gymnastics needed to get to a point where I had anything but sympathy for someone who was DELIBERATELY RUN OVER.

 

[Elf On A Shelf]

Yes people get frustrated with others who do not share their view. Yes people get frustrated at the ones who are very vocal about their views. But that does not give anyone the right to physically harm another just because you don't like their views and ideals.

 

[Roasted Chestnuts]

She probably won’t get much done to her. The guy who ran me over and left me with PTSD was caught on my own body cam and on public CCtV and was given a Slap on the wrist and told not to do it again because me asking him to move his illegally parked car as part of my duties was provocation for him to run me over.

If hunts sabs are sabbing hunts who are actively fox hunting then fair enough if they are just showing up to fun rides run by hunts and legally operating drag and bloodhound hunts then I have no sympathy for I duties caused by their antics. People shouldn’t be harassed for doing legal pastimes. That’s like protesting football games or agility dog meets or any other legal pastime imo.

However I get the point of those saying protestors changed massive wrongs

 

[Pearlsacarolsinger]

She probably won’t get much done to her. The guy who ran me over and left me with PTSD was caught on my own body cam and on public CCtV and was given a Slap on the wrist and told not to do it again because me asking him to move his illegally parked car as part of my duties was provocation for him to run me over.

If hunts sabs are sabbing hunts who are actively fox hunting then fair enough if they are just showing up to fun rides run by hunts and legally operating drag and bloodhound hunts then I have no sympathy for I duties caused by their antics. People shouldn’t be harassed for doing legal pastimes. That’s like protesting football games or agility dog meets or any other legal pastime imo.

However I get the point of those saying protestors changed massive wrongs

Yes I am very interested to know how those sympathising with the sabs in general, not the woman who was injured by the car, had every right to protest about what was happening on the land on that occasion. Of course it is unthinkable that someone should deliberately run over a pedestrian, in any circumstances.

 

[sakura]

No, I am not stupid! I mean stick to what concerns you and dont poke your nose into other peoples business!

I am not LGBTQ+, but fighting for
equality concerns me.

I am not a person of colour, but fighting racism concerns me.

I am not an orca, but fighting for their
right to live wild and free concerns me.

I will protest all of the above even though it doesn’t directly affect my life.

I am not seeing your point unless your point is that you simply don’t care about anything. And that’s sad.

 

[Roasted Chestnuts]

Yes I am very interested to know how those sympathising with the sabs in general, not the woman who was injured by the car, had every right to protest about what was happening on the land on that occasion. Of course it is unthinkable that someone should deliberately run over a pedestrian, in any circumstances.

It definitely is unthinkable but it happens and people get off with it. It’s horrible. I couldn’t watch it, too close to my own incident.

 

[Tiddlypom]

Yes I am very interested to know how those sympathising with the sabs in general, not the woman who was injured by the car, had every right to protest about what was happening on the land on that occasion. Of course it is unthinkable that someone should deliberately run over a pedestrian, in any circumstances.

Not quite sure what you are querying, PaS?

Both pro and anti hunt should follow the letter and the spirit of the law. So if the sabs were trepassing, then they shouldn't have been.

The hunt that the sabs were following when the woman car driver knocked the sab over is reputed to be a naughty hunt that hunts foxes. So maybe both parties were playing fast and loose with the law. Though deliberately running a sab down with a car certainly trumps trespassing.

More extreme supporters of both opposing factions seem to think that anything goes.

 

[Pearlsacarolsinger]

Not quite sure what you are querying, PaS?

Both pro and anti hunt should follow the letter and the spirit of the law. So if the sabs were trepassing, then they shouldn't have been.

The hunt that the sabs were following when the woman car driver knocked the sab over is reputed to be a naughty hunt that hunts foxes. So maybe both parties were playing fast and loose with the law. Though deliberately running a sab down with a car certainly trumps trespassing.

More extreme supporters of both opposing factions seem to think that anything goes.

I'm not surprised you didn't understand my point, upon rereading, it doesn't make sense. I was wondering why people were sympathetic to hunt sabs in general disrupting a legal pursuit. The incident in question was appalling, if it happened as described. I couldn't tell from the video in the link what happened. But there doesn't seem to be any evidence of hunting foxes filmed on that day.

 

[Roasted Chestnuts]

I'm not surprised you didn't understand my point, upon rereading, it doesn't make sense. I was wondering why people were sympathetic to hunt sabs in general disrupting a legal pursuit. The incident in question was appalling, if it happened as described. I couldn't tell from the video in the link what happened. But there doesn't seem to be any evidence of hunting foxes filmed on that day.

They also turn up and disrupt hunt fun rides which aren’t even hunting, as far as im aware those are as perfectly legal as showjumping, XC and Team chasing but we don’t see them turning up to those to disrupt?

I very much agree with you PAS, I do feel sorry for the person who was knocked down, it’s a horrible thing to happen to anyone whether deliberate or accidental.

 

[Sandstone1]

I am afraid people can go all round the houses saying sabs shouldnt do this and shouldnt go here or there. This is a free country and people are allowed to protest about pretty much anything. Hunting foxes is Illegal, Trespass is a civil offence and unless damage is caused very unlikely to go to court. Allowing hunting with hounds on your land is illegal. Deliberately running someone down with a car with a child in the passenger seat is very much illegal. Would any reasonable person do that? I am very much anti hunt but would I run down a member of the hunt? Of course not. The woman needs locking up, The fact she had a child in the car must also be a huge concern.

 

[splashgirl45]

one of the things I don’t like about the hunting protestors is that they pretend to be animal lovers but are happy to harm either the horses or the hounds , once they did that they lost any credibility as far as I am concerned. I wouldn’t go as far as driving at someone but if anyone hurt any of my animals I would retaliate….i didnt hunt but if I was on a drag hunt or a fun ride i don’t see why someone has the right To harass me…. Agree some hunts are acting illegally but it is not the fault of the animals, they are just easy targets

 

[Roasted Chestnuts]

I am afraid people can go all round the houses saying sabs shouldnt do this and shouldnt go here or there. This is a free country and people are allowed to protest about pretty much anything. Hunting foxes is Illegal, Trespass is a civil offence and unless damage is caused very unlikely to go to court. Allowing hunting with hounds on your land is illegal. Deliberately running someone down with a car with a child in the passenger seat is very much illegal. Would any reasonable person do that? I am very much anti hunt but would I run down a member of the hunt? Of course not. The woman needs locking up, The fact she had a child in the car must also be a huge concern.

Harrassment is illegal though ? so if someone is doing something within the law why should someone be trespassing and harassing them? Just curious based on your above post ?

 

[Sandstone1]

Harrassment is illegal though ? so if someone is doing something within the law why should someone be trespassing and harassing them? Just curious based on your above post ?

The hunt in question is well known for illegally hunting foxes and if reports are true they continued to do just that after the incident with the car. The woman who was hit by the car was doing nothing other than walking along a road. Does that justify someone driving a car at them? Its only luck the woman was not killed. There was also a child in the car, what sort of person does that?

 

[sakura]

There’s a lot of assumptions on this thread. Was the victim a sab or a monitor? Did they hurt any animal at any time before the incident? Do we actually know why they were there?

Also, none of that actually matters, neither is “well sabs do xyz.” relevant. That doesn’t matter in this case. Did the victim do any of the things mentioned so far? Yes or no?

Even if they did (which there is no evidence of), the law does not allow running someone over with your car and fleeing the scene as an acceptable response. There’s only one guilty party in this case and anything else is too close to victim blaming for my liking.

 

[Barton Bounty]

Some of the judge-able comments made me laugh….
Yes I care but not enough to waste a day throwing my fist at people ??? I have my own life to live and tend to do that! Then again, I am not a judgemental person and I tend to
Live and let live.

 

[sakura]

Some of the judge-able comments made me laugh….
Yes I care but not enough to waste a day throwing my fist at people ??? I have my own life to live and tend to do that! Then again, I am not a judgemental person and I tend to
Live and let live.

Congratulations, you’re the first person I have ever hidden on this forum.

 

[misst]

Some of the judge-able comments made me laugh….
Yes I care but not enough to waste a day throwing my fist at people ??? I have my own life to live and tend to do that! Then again, I am not a judgemental person and I tend to
Live and let live.

Well I for one am glad people have felt able to "throw their fist" and "waste their day" in the past to allow me to have the freedoms I enjoy today.

 

[Roasted Chestnuts]

The hunt in question is well known for illegally hunting foxes and if reports are true they continued to do just that after the incident with the car. The woman who was hit by the car was doing nothing other than walking along a road. Does that justify someone driving a car at them? It’s only luck the woman was not killed. There was also a child in the car, what sort of person does that?

They might have been or may not have been, they may have been operating within the law, were they filmed hunting foxes with dogs on this occasion? If they were then shame on them as that is illegal.

Personally I’m not interested in the what ifs or what may have beens, a person got hit by a car, whether deliberately or not, that is really the only known in this situation so far. You were stating all the legal in and outs in , as far as I can read, the hunt sabs favour without knowing that they were there monitoring an already illegal hunt.

Just so as you know the person who deliberately mounted the pavement to hit me with their car had a small child in the car as well so it’s not that unknown for it to happen.

 

[Rowreach]

I understood the protestors were trespassing on a private lane way when the woman was hit by the car (not that I’m suggesting it’s an appropriate way to deal with trespassers).

 

[Barton Bounty]

Congratulations, you’re the first person I have ever hidden on this forum.

Why, cause i am allowed my own opinion and i dont agree with you? Boohoo ??

 

[SilverLinings]

The woman needs locking up, The fact she had a child in the car must also be a huge concern.

It is a huge concern that that child (assuming it was the child of the driver) has at least one parent who has so little control over their anger that they will resort to extreme violence and law-breaking. If it is her child then the driver may be about to face a whole lot of awkward questions from children's services about her ability to protect her child from harm.

I'm in a different area but there have been multiple occasions at work when parents of patients of ours have been investigated (and often put on a Child Protection Plan as a direct result) for having their child(ren) present in the car during drug deals, and I would have thought running someone over was worse as even a very young child can see what's happening (as opposed to a drug deal, where they are likely to have no idea what their parent is handing over to a friend/stranger).

 

[Caol Ila]

Well…. I cant stand protestors of any kind! Tree huggers, animal protesters, and so on just wish people would stick to their own lanes in life and everyone would get on champion!
Theres tons of stuff in life I dont like, worries me or upsets me but I would never deliberately ruin peoples days by doing such things ??‍

What? You really think these people should have "stuck to their own lane?" https://www.history.com/topics/black-history/the-greensboro-sit-in

They are delberately ruining the day of that segregated restaurant owner and while we're at it, trespassing!

 

[AmyMay]

Some of the judge-able comments made me laugh….
Yes I care but not enough to waste a day throwing my fist at people ??? I have my own life to live and tend to do that! Then again, I am not a judgemental person and I tend to
Live and let live.

And that is your right, as it’s the right of people to protest. Protest doesn’t need to be violent. Most people tend to be live and let live.

But clearly you are a judgemental person. But of course - most of us are. Which is why so many stand up for what they believe in ?