Fjord
Well-Known Member
Bl00dy hell, people may not like a hunt sab disrupting proceedings, but deliberately knocking them over with a car is a bit harsh! The original video was shocking to watch.
Hunt Sab ran over
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Barton Bounty
Just simply loving life with Orbi 🥰
Yep , and I agree with you @Amymay but I certainly dont got around picking out everyones comments that I dont agree with.. unlike some on here ?
HashRouge
Well-Known Member
No, I think it's because s/he thinks your opinion really sucks.
Barton Bounty
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And apparently your not allowed your own opinion ???how dare I
Clodagh
Well-Known Member
Surely it’s completely irrelevant that the victim was a hunt sab or anything else? I can see that if someone broke in to my house I would, if I was brave enough, hit them with something but it would take a lot for me to run someone down in relatively cold blood.
At the end of the day someone lost their temper and deliberately ploughed into someone else.
At the end of the day someone lost their temper and deliberately ploughed into someone else.
HashRouge
Well-Known Member
No, you're welcome to your opinion. But you will also have to accept that a lot of us think it's a pretty rubbish way to look at things and are happy to tell you so.
Sandstone1
Well-Known Member
Same hunt, Within the law? I do not think so. Clearly hunting a fox..... Whats the excuse for that? Huntsman clearly hunting hounds on after a fox. Trail hunting my a***!
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Roasted Chestnuts
Well-Known Member
Was this video taken that day? If not you are missing the point, the known fact is the woman was struck by a car.
twiggy2
Well-Known Member
So women would not be able to vote, people of colour would still be slaves as would children and women in many countries and women would still be owned and regularly raped by their husbands and it would all be legal all over the word. I do call that a good thing.
Dexter
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sakura
Well-Known Member
It will make the forum a much nicer place now you've done that
I think so, I find their posts on this topic frustrating and sad and not someone I can engage successfully with!
Fellewell
Well-Known Member
Hunts are legally entitled to trail hunt. Sabs are not entitled to send death threats to landowners who host a meet. The woman clipped by the car did not require hospital treatment thankfully and was immediately released. The driver is under investigation and any link to the hunt has yet to be proven. Sabs have never held the moral high ground in these instances and comparing their terrorism to women's rights is in particularly poor taste, especially given what is happening in Iran right now.
Sandstone1
Well-Known Member
The video was taken last Saturday or so it says, I am not missing the point at all. Fact a woman was knocked down by a hunt supporter. Fact the same hunt is illegally hunting foxes. Even if not the same day it proves that hunt does illegally hunt which would be why sabs were out protesting.
Sandstone1
Well-Known Member
I would say she was more than clipped by the car and it was a deliberate act. If that happened to someone walking down the street it would be attempted murder. The hunt is not trail hunting in that video is it? Unless the fox is laying the trail!
NinjaPony
Well-Known Member
Wow this is really exposing how people justify violence based on their own prejudices. And goes a long way to showing how basic rights can be stripped away because you don’t like them applying to everyone, even groups you fundamentally disagree with. There is absolutely no justification for hitting a person with a car deliberately like that. I find the ‘they had it coming’ arguments incredibly disturbing.
Dexter
Well-Known Member
I guess if she wasnt injured in anyway then it couldnt have been as bad as it looked, so unlikely to be attempted murder.
Cherryblossom
Well-Known Member
As someone who sits on the fence when it comes to hunting, I find the degree of whataboutery profoundly depressing. Pro and Anti people are not ever going to change their minds, but seeing that woman being mowed down called ‘clipped with a car’ and all the counter arguments about trespass does nothing to persuade me that hunting should be supported.
If all the pro-hunt people roundly condemned this behaviour without throwing in a toddler like ‘but they did….’ then I’d be much more inclined to believe that this behaviour was a radical fringe element, that than something that many people secretly (or not so secretly) think was justified. And the pros are completely shooting themselves in the foot with that behaviour, because you’ll just push people like me to become anti hunting. We will end up losing a big part of our horsey culture and history because the majority of decent pro hunting people can’t drown out the voices of these despicable hard-line law- breaking amoral nut jobs.
If all the pro-hunt people roundly condemned this behaviour without throwing in a toddler like ‘but they did….’ then I’d be much more inclined to believe that this behaviour was a radical fringe element, that than something that many people secretly (or not so secretly) think was justified. And the pros are completely shooting themselves in the foot with that behaviour, because you’ll just push people like me to become anti hunting. We will end up losing a big part of our horsey culture and history because the majority of decent pro hunting people can’t drown out the voices of these despicable hard-line law- breaking amoral nut jobs.
Sandstone1
Well-Known Member
She was injured and taken to hospital. Its only luck she was not killed. The attitude on here from some people is a disgrace.
sakura
Well-Known Member
Did the victim send death threats to the landowner? If they did (and there is zero evidence), is hitting a human with a car and fleeing the scene a justifiable response?
If your answer is no, then your post is, respectfully, irrelevant to the case being discussed.
As for comparing the behaviour of sabs to the fight for women’s rights, no one has done that. The right to protest was compared, and everyone has the right to protest, including those who are against hunting.
Dexter
Well-Known Member
Someone just posted that she wasnt injured, I guess at this point there's no way of knowing what happened and whats happening now, but I'd imagine in time it will come out, at least if the driver is charged or not.
Caol Ila
Well-Known Member
Sakura beat me to it. No one was comparing hunt sabbing to women's suffrage or civil rights or what's happening in Iran. We were responding to BB's early remark about disliking protesters in general and wishing everyone would just stay in their lane.
scats
Well-Known Member
You certainly have a different meaning of ‘clipped by the car’ than I do!
Archangel
Normal, 10 cats ago
There is another video in circulation where there appears to be some sort of argument at the car (with other people) before the driver storms off and hits the pedestrian in the back throws her up in the air and leaves her motionless on the ground sorry 'clips' the pedestrian.
splashgirl45
Lurcher lover
There is NO excuse for deliberately driving at someone and then driving away. She should have the book thrown at her .
Rowreach
Adjusting my sails
It seems that the landowner/host has received death threats following the incident.
Fred66
Well-Known Member
If you read the other thread in tack room on this you will find all of us that hunt regularly have totally condemned the actions of the driver, if she deliberately drove at that person there is no excuse , if she left the scene of the accident without stopping then there are very few reasons as to why this might be acceptable and is more likely that it is unacceptable.
There is some dispute as to whether the driver was actually associated with the hunt.
Be in no doubt most people whichever side of the fence they are should condemn the actions of anyone that has deliberately set out to injure and potentially kill another person.
I can understand that the harassment sustained by some can make them less tolerant and more inclined to be unsympathetic when people are injured when deliberately putting themselves in harms way and argue mitigating factors, but this woman was hit from behind in what seems to be a deliberate act and there can be no excuse.
sakura
Well-Known Member
But was it the victim sending them? If not, it has nothing to do with them. If so (and there is no evidence of that), it still doesn’t justify the crime.
Again, there is no evidence that the victim committed any crime in connection with what then happened to them.
It’s sad that this thread is anything other than sending well wishes to the victim and condemnation of the driver. Let’s be clear, hunt monitors have a right to observe hunts. No one has the right to hit someone with their car and flee the scene.
Rowreach
Adjusting my sails
I’ve made no assumptions because I don’t know. I was merely clarifying for you that the landowner had indeed received death threats, after the incident.
Please don’t attribute opinions to me.
Roasted Chestnuts
Well-Known Member
I can tell you for a fact that it isn’t an automatic charge of attempted murder. That is not what the man who deliberately mounted the pavement to get me was charged with even though it was downgraded to lesser. So I think you need to get your facts correct.
Having been through this all first hand I have complete sympathy with the person hit by the car, however I have no patience for some of the speculation and making up of ‘facts’ that is going on in this thread by some.
Also car insurance is voided when you deliberately drive your car at someone so for the victims sake it would be better if this was out down as accidental as it’s a less arduous road to go down to get proper compensation for your injuries.
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Tiddlypom
Carries on creakily
Well, no matter how reprehensible the incident was, death threats to anyone are of course utterly wrong and abhorrent. I hope that it is possible to trace the culprits and that they are dealt by the authorities.
I don't know the identity of the woman who ran the sab down, but there is a clear still on line of her face taken from the video footage. That, along with her age (in the police report), the fact that she is local (from police) and was driving a car with a distinctive personalised numberplate ought to make her relatively easy for locals to identify.
I don't know the identity of the woman who ran the sab down, but there is a clear still on line of her face taken from the video footage. That, along with her age (in the police report), the fact that she is local (from police) and was driving a car with a distinctive personalised numberplate ought to make her relatively easy for locals to identify.