Hunt Sab ran over

[Sandstone1]

I can tell you for a fact that it isn’t an automatic charge of attempted murder. That is not what the man who deliberately mounted the pavement to get me was charged with even though it was downgraded to lesser. So I think you need to get your facts correct.

Having been through this all first hand I have complete sympathy with the person hit by the car, however I have no patience for some of the speculation and making up of ‘facts’ that is going on in this thread by some.

Also car insurance is voided when you deliberately drive your car at someone so for the victims sake it would be better if this was out down as accidental as it’s a less arduous road to go down to get proper compensation for your injuries.

Just because you were hit by a car does not make the circumstances the same. Im sorry it happened to you but all cases are not the same. You clearly had a horrible experience but this is not about you.

 

[Red-1]

I don't know why you think the lady was uninjured? It does say that she has been discharged and does not have life threatening or life changing injuries. I understand she does have soft tissue injuries and is in a lot of pain.

I stopped riding for almost 5 years after an assault. I too was discharged after around 12 hours, and had soft tissue injuries. I could not turn my head for 6 months, and 2 years later had bone spurs growing in my neck, presumably because my soft tissue was no longer able to support my head.

It is wrong to minimise the injuries.

The longer version, and also a separate camera, both show that yes, there was some shouting in the road. But it was not near the car and they were not chasing her. No one was near the car before it set off. I could link it but the child is visible in the car so I won't.

No excuses.

When the ban came in, I was against it. But then, I thought I would try hunting, only to find that they were still chasing foxes, and laughing about it. I stopped going. I am now supportive of a complete ban with foxhounds. The hunts seem unable to control hounds or followers.

I would not be a sab, but I can see why they do it.

 

[Burnttoast]

I don't know why you think the lady was uninjured? It does say that she has been discharged and does not have life threatening or life changing injuries. I understand she does have soft tissue injuries and is in a lot of pain.

I stopped riding for almost 5 years after an assault. I too was discharged after around 12 hours, and had soft tissue injuries. I could not turn my head for 6 months, and 2 years later had bone spurs growing in my neck, presumably because my soft tissue was no longer able to support my head.

It is wrong to minimise the injuries.

This. Soft tissue injuries makes it sound like it's a couple of bruises and it would be wonderful if that was the extent of it, but surely we all know they can have more unpleasant and long-lasting consequences than some blood drawn or a simple fracture.

 

[HashRouge]

I don't know why you think the lady was uninjured?

This. The only source I've seen saying that is a poster on this thread.

 

[sbloom]

I thank the Lord every day that there are people across the world, including horsey, who won't stay in their lane. If I stayed in my lane and, as has been requested a couple of times, fit saddles without regard to anything else, it would be an utter disservice to horses and their owners. Live and let live means "I'm alright jack" if you boil it down and is why this country's in a mess and why our democracy is in a perilous state.

First they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out—because I was not a socialist.
Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out—because I was not a trade unionist.
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—because I was not a Jew.
Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.
—Martin Niemöller

Stay in your lane by all means but don't expect those of us who act on principle and DO leave our lanes to come save you when you're no longer alright-Jack.

 

[sakura]

I’ve made no assumptions because I don’t know. I was merely clarifying for you that the landowner had indeed received death threats, after the incident.

Please don’t attribute opinions to me.

You quoted me so I quoted you, but my point is generalised.

 

[Roasted Chestnuts]

Just because you were hit by a car does not make the circumstances the same. Im sorry it happened to you but all cases are not the same. You clearly had a horrible experience but this is not about you.

I’m not making it about me, I’m pointing out the made up stuff and clear assumptions being made. Having been through A court case in this exact topic I think I can say with more clarity and information that I know more than most can first hand. This has been a terrible thing to happen regardless of the circumstances it happened in.

 

[Tiddlypom]

Interview with the casualty.

https://www.devonlive.com/news/uk-world-news/mum-three-hunt-saboteur-mowed-7769803

Describing being hit by the car, Lisa said: ''I remember that I was on the floor in pain - there is a gap where I don't remember anything. I was in complete shock and shaking head to toe.'' Doctors found severe bruising across parts of her body. She avoided any significant injury but has struggled to walk without intense pain since the incident.

 

[palo1]

Interview with the casualty.

https://www.devonlive.com/news/uk-world-news/mum-three-hunt-saboteur-mowed-7769803

Describing being hit by the car, Lisa said: ''I remember that I was on the floor in pain - there is a gap where I don't remember anything. I was in complete shock and shaking head to toe.'' Doctors found severe bruising across parts of her body. She avoided any significant injury but has struggled to walk without intense pain since the incident.

I may be wrong but it seems incredibly ill advised to give an interview if there is going to be a police investigation and possible prosecution surely? The poor woman, I hope she is starting to feel better; it must have been very traumatic. I hope too she is getting good advice and support moving forward.

 

[minesadouble]

I may be wrong but it seems incredibly ill advised to give an interview if there is going to be a police investigation and possible prosecution surely? The poor woman, I hope she is starting to feel better; it must have been very traumatic. I hope too she is getting good advice and support moving forward.

Having just had a a quick browse of the lady in question's FB page the phrase 'live by the sword, die by the sword' springs to mind.
I certainly don't get the impression she is a peace loving individual.

 

[AmyMay]

I certainly don't get the impression she is a peace loving individual.

Ah, well that’s alright then…. ??

 

[minesadouble]

Ah, well that’s alright then…. ??

I'm not in any way condoning the actions of the driver of the car that clipped her.

However, her actions against a man involved in the transportation of animals for medical research (a perfectly lawful activity regardless of one's own personal viewpoint) fall far short of those of a decent human being.
I have very mixed feelings about animal research, though I'm sure on the whole more people are grateful for it than not. However, I would never consider it reasonable to personally hound, abuse, intimidate and cause criminal damage to an individual involved in such activity.

My point is that if you involve yourself in unlawful protest don't then be surprised if it results in unlawful personal consequences.

 

[Sandstone1]

I'm not in any way condoning the actions of the driver of the car that clipped her.

However, her actions against a man involved in the transportation of animals for medical research (a perfectly lawful activity regardless of one's own personal viewpoint) fall far short of those of a decent human being.
I have very mixed feelings about animal research, though I'm sure on the whole more people are grateful for it than not. However, I would never consider it reasonable to personally hound, abuse, intimidate and cause criminal damage to an individual involved in such activity.

My point is that if you involve yourself in unlawful protest don't then be surprised if it results in unlawful personal consequences.

One the car didnt "clip her" She was knocked over from behind at speed and lucky not to have been killed.
Two whatever the woman has or has not done in the past is totally irrelevant to the situation. Thats like saying if you disagree with animal experiments you deserve to get cancer!
Three you say you are not condoning the actions of the car driver and then go on to do just that.
Four The driver of the car had a child with her. Thats a safe guarding issue. What a impression to give a child that if you disagree with someone its ok to use violence on them and use a car as a weapon.
Five Once again hunting animals with hounds is illegal and its within the law to protest against it.
I could go on but its all been said before and after seeing some of the comments on here justifying someone trying to kill another human being its really not worth it.

 

[Barton Bounty]

No, you're welcome to your opinion. But you will also have to accept that a lot of us think it's a pretty rubbish way to look at things and are happy to tell you so.

No, thats the whole point… you DONT have to tell me ! You can be a respectful adult and let folk have their own opinions whether you like it or not! And clearly this is NOT the case with you. ?

 

[Red-1]

No, thats the whole point… you DONT have to tell me ! You can be a respectful adult and let folk have their own opinions whether you like it or not! And clearly this is NOT the case with you. ?

I don't get this. We are on a discussion forum. It is a many-way discussion where I accept that some people will agree with me and some not.

It would be a pretty flat and meaningless discussion if people were not allowed to tell others that they don't agree with/like the opinions of others!

 

[stangs]

My point is that if you involve yourself in unlawful protest don't then be surprised if it results in unlawful personal consequences.

This just in: the person in the car was not the UK's judicial system.

 

[Clodagh]

If a burglar broke into your house and stole your personal possessions would you feel totally sympathetic if he or she then got mugged?

 

[ycbm]

If a burglar broke into your house and stole your personal possessions would you feel totally sympathetic if he or she then got mugged?

If a person stopped someone else from illegally chasing and killing a cat, would you then feel totally sympathetic if a friend of the person who chased the cat got in their car and deliberately drove the car into that person, not caring that they might kill them?
.

 

[stangs]

If a burglar broke into your house and stole your personal possessions would you feel totally sympathetic if he or she then got mugged?

Probably not, but I'd still want the person who did the mugging to be convicted of their crime. The law isn't a two wrongs make a right situation, especially because the mugger could still go after me - and I still haven't received my possessions back.

Besides, it's unlikely that the person in the car knew that the person who got hit knew what the victim had posted on FB.

 

[Clodagh]

i don’t know, i think I might feel the mugger deserved that.
The sab did not deserve to be hit by a car. I just was seeing where mines a double got her POV.

 

[ycbm]

i don’t know, i think I might feel the mugger deserved that.
The sab did not deserve to be hit by a car. I just was seeing where mines a double got her POV.

I mistook you, I thought it wasn't a comment you'd normally make, C.

 

[Sandstone1]

Whatever you think of hunting or sabs no one has the right on either side to take the law in to their own hands to the extent of trying to kill someone. The driver of the car could very easily have killed that woman and just because people are saying the car clipped her it was only luck she was not killed or seriously injured.
I do not know or care what the woman has done or protested about in the past and I very much doubt that the driver knew either.
The driver acted in a very reckless and dangerous manner and its even worse that she had a child in the car. What ever you think of hunting or sabs there really can not be a excuse for that behaviour and that people are trying to make excuses just shows their mentality.
How would any of us feel about being driven at like that when out walking, riding cycling etc?
I bet if someone drove at you when riding you would feel differently.

 

[luckyoldme]

You can't drive into pedestrians.
No one can justify that.
The fact that it's been done is bad enough, but any attempt to justify it or make light of it by pro hunt folk just makes them look worse.

 

[Tiddlypom]

Very revealing as to which posters stick to the hard line pro hunt take that the sab was 'clipped' by the car...

https://www.itv.com/news/anglia/202...6uMaVhAEvRoGCxGPfovHrxj-O6BCdfeEYf_jGIjKX476Y

Lisa Jaffray, 47, was badly bruised and has been given morphine for her severe pain after the crash on a country estate in Knossington in Leicestershire last week.

"Psychologically it's been really difficult," she said, adding that she was still in shock."And it's also painful. My lower back is quite painful and I'm on morphine at the moment that's not even really masking the pain, so my doctor says we'll need to check if there's any spinal disc damage.

"My leg hurts a lot - the bruising is only just starting to come up but it's just painful, it hurts to do anything."

Ms Jaffray has been signed off work for a month, though she believes her physical injuries will heal quicker than the psychological trauma.

 

[Sandstone1]

You can't drive into pedestrians.
No one can justify that.
The fact that it's been done is bad enough, but any attempt to justify it or make light of it by pro hunt folk just makes them look worse.

Yes absolutely. The people who are saying she was "Clipped" and saying she has protested about this that and the other are really showing themselves up. There is no excuse.

 

[tristar]

thing is when things get heated, to the point of running into someone and knocking them down with a car, its lesson that teaches us, that it is wrong, it is pointless, it is not going to further your cause, you will have to pay consequences, and that when things look like they are getting out of control, you have to learn to, or make the decision to, walk away and take no action that will escalate the situation

of course its different when you need to defend yourself, against physical assault but that is totally different.

 

[Burnttoast]

No, thats the whole point… you DONT have to tell me ! You can be a respectful adult and let folk have their own opinions whether you like it or not! And clearly this is NOT the case with you. ?

Think you might be running up against the twin inconveniences of free speech and democracy. You freely gave your opinion (I don't recall anyone asking for it any more than you asked for theirs) and then everyone used their free speech to disagree with you (democracy)

 

[Fred66]

No, thats the whole point… you DONT have to tell me ! You can be a respectful adult and let folk have their own opinions whether you like it or not! And clearly this is NOT the case with you. ?

Why do you think it’s ok for you to express an opinion disagreeing with another’s opinion, but not ok when someone expresses an opinion disagreeing with you ?

 

[Nasicus]

How on earth can anyone use the word 'clipped' to describe what happened? Such language smacks of attempting to minimize what happened, and quite frankly that's disgusting.
Try watching what happened at 25% speed, you can really see just how ragdolled the poor woman was. She is extremely lucky to not have broken any bones, lacerated any organs or had any major head trauma.

 

[ester]

clipped makes it sound like she was tappedby the wing mirror. . .