Hunting is in a spot of bother

[marmalade76]

Digging out a fox so that the hounds could kill it is so strange. Why not let a fox go to ground and appreciate the good run and let the fox live?

I agree with you. But if it is a problem fox, that may well be what the landowner wants.

 

[Tiddlypom]

Fecking heck, hounds have just been on my land, not by much, but defo on my land, just where the black cat likes to hang out.

I clean forgot to shut her in. Just hoping that she's ok. Hounds weren't speaking, but looked very excited .

There is NO permission for any part of the hunt to be on my land.

They had no damn control of where hounds were, it's p1ss poor.

ETA Phew, the cat's just strolled in, wondering what all the fuss is about.

If you can't or won't control hounds at all times, then don't take them out. If they are out of sight, then you don't know what they are up to, such as trespassing on land where they are not expected or welcome .

 

[palo1]

Are you really suggesting that hunting fox with hounds is a basic human right of an oppressed minority?
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No I am not suggesting that @ycbm; I was just trying to explain that minority interests (whatever they are) have a degree of protection built in to democracy. That is why we have people able to express views and opinions that are very difficult for most people within a wider society: including around, for example, far right politics and pornography. (neither of which remotely interest me!!).

 

[ycbm]

No I am not suggesting that @ycbm; I was just trying to explain that minority interests (whatever they are) have a degree of protection built in to democracy. That is why we have people able to express views and opinions that are very difficult for most people within a wider society: including around, for example, far right politics and pornography. (neither of which remotely interest me!!).

What has that got to do with the desire to kill foxes using a pack of dogs when the majority of voters don't want you to?
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[ycbm]

Fecking heck, hounds have just been on my land, not by much, but defo on my land, just where the black cat likes to hang out.

I clean forgot to shut her in. Just hoping that she's ok. Hounds weren't speaking, but looked very excited .

There is NO permission for any part of the hunt to be on my land.

They had no damn control of where hounds were, it's p1ss poor.

ETA Phew, the cat's just strolled in, wondering what all the fuss is about.

If you can't or won't control hounds at all times, then don't take them out. If they are out of sight, then you don't know what they are up to, such as trespassing on land where they are not expected or welcome .

This has to stop and if hunts can't stop it then trail hunting has to be made illegal like Scotland are going to do. It's not a rare occurrence and it's not acceptable.
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[GSD Woman]

If you can't or won't control hounds at all times, then don't take them out. If they are out of sight, then you don't know what they are up to, such as trespassing on land where they are not expected or welcome .

Where are the whipper ins? Totally appalling. I understand hounds might run riot...

 

[Tiddlypom]

Where are the whipper ins? Totally appalling. I understand hounds might run riot...

The hunt was not actively hunting. They were hacking back up the road, but hounds were allowed to barrel through into the adjacent field, where they do have permission to be. But then hounds crossed through another hedge line onto my land, with whoever was up front with them (less than 50 yards away) oblivious of what they were up to.

It's poor hound control. Again. No actual harm done yesterday, but this simply should not happen.

 

[GSD Woman]

The hunt was not actively hunting. They were hacking back up the road, but hounds were allowed to barrel through into the adjacent field, where they do have permission to be. But then hounds crossed through another hedge line onto my land, with whoever was up front with them (less than 50 yards away) oblivious of what they were up to.

I didn't realize that hunts had as much control over their hounds as the general public has of their off lead dogs.

 

[Koweyka]

The webinars really are the gift that keeps on giving and long may it continue. The hunt itself admitted after the webinars nobody would believe they weren’t fox hunting….

Huge news! The Banwen Miners Hunt are leaving the MFHA and are instead becoming a bloodhound pack under the Masters of Draghounds and Bloodhounds Association!

This means that the hunt will no longer chase wildlife.

This is as a direct result of our exposé of the Hunting Office webinars which led to MFHA Director Mark Hankinson being found guilty of encouraging huntsmen to illegally hunt foxes and other wildlife.

 

[paddy555]

Fecking heck, hounds have just been on my land, not by much, but defo on my land, just where the black cat likes to hang out.

I clean forgot to shut her in. Just hoping that she's ok. Hounds weren't speaking, but looked very excited .

There is NO permission for any part of the hunt to be on my land.

They had no damn control of where hounds were, it's p1ss poor.

ETA Phew, the cat's just strolled in, wondering what all the fuss is about.

If you can't or won't control hounds at all times, then don't take them out. If they are out of sight, then you don't know what they are up to, such as trespassing on land where they are not expected or welcome .

I think it was you that used to hunt with the pack local to me ie the SD? is my memory correct?

 

[ester]

Anyone know what happened that the Avon and Somerset police are investigating from the weekend?

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=322742233210964&set=a.306170291534825&type=3

 

[Koweyka]

Anyone know what happened that the Avon and Somerset police are investigating from the weekend?

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=322742233210964&set=a.306170291534825&type=3

I suspect it’s BSV hunt chasing a fox up the A30 on blind bends, clearly having his hounds run over by a train wasn’t enough carnage for him.

Have a look on Mendip Hunt Sabs page there is footage of it.

 

[Tiddlypom]

I didn't realize that hunts had as much control over their hounds as the general public has of their off lead dogs.

Pretty much, and that is not a compliment. This was an offence at the lower end of the scale, though, and much more of a case of simply not paying attention. Once aware, hounds were recalled pretty quickly.

If my senior mare had been turned out, she would probably have charged at the hounds to get them off her land . Then the IDx with the wonky pelvis would have joined in...

Just as well that my horses were safely in their stables, wasn't it.

I think it was you that used to hunt with the pack local to me ie the SD? is my memory correct?

Yes, that's me . I had many a day out with them when I was a teenager. That was back when H&H listed all the meets, and we Pony Club members could rock up to any meet that we could hack to or blag a lift to. No prior notification to the hunt secretary was ever expected or needed. We handed over our day's cap and were good to go.

 

[Tiddlypom]

I suspect it’s BSV hunt chasing a fox up the A30 on blind bends, clearly having his hounds run over by a train wasn’t enough carnage for him.

Have a look on Mendip Hunt Sabs page there is footage of it.

No idea what led up to this, but having hounds hunt along a busy road (the A30 ) which has not been shut to through traffic is fecking stupid.

https://fb.watch/bwEnODTWP9/

screen shots

 

[Anon1357]

The webinars really are the gift that keeps on giving and long may it continue. The hunt itself admitted after the webinars nobody would believe they weren’t fox hunting….

Huge news! The Banwen Miners Hunt are leaving the MFHA and are instead becoming a bloodhound pack under the Masters of Draghounds and Bloodhounds Association!

This means that the hunt will no longer chase wildlife.

This is as a direct result of our exposé of the Hunting Office webinars which led to MFHA Director Mark Hankinson being found guilty of encouraging huntsmen to illegally hunt foxes and other wildlife.

I think there will be a few switchers, I know of one other but it hasn’t been formally announced yet

 

[paddy555]

Fecking heck, hounds have just been on my land, not by much, but defo on my land, just where the black cat likes to hang out.

I clean forgot to shut her in. Just hoping that she's ok. Hounds weren't speaking, but looked very excited .

There is NO permission for any part of the hunt to be on my land.

They had no damn control of where hounds were, it's p1ss poor.

ETA Phew, the cat's just strolled in, wondering what all the fuss is about.

If you can't or won't control hounds at all times, then don't take them out. If they are out of sight, then you don't know what they are up to, such as trespassing on land where they are not expected or welcome .

As someone who used to follow a hunt that was very disruptive to locals especially when their hounds frequently strayed onto their land, clearly trespassing and out of control I find your comments a bit surprising that you are unhappy when it happens on your land..

 

[Koweyka]

I think there will be a few switchers, I know of one other but it hasn’t been formally announced yet

Interesting, I think it will be the only way some hunts survive and really is the only way forward as trail hunting in its current form can’t continue.

There is another expose due out tomorrow, that dispels yet another lie around trail hunting.

 

[Tiddlypom]

As someone who used to follow a hunt that was very disruptive to locals especially when their hounds frequently strayed onto their land, clearly trespassing and out of control I find your comments a bit surprising that you are unhappy when it happens on your land..

The SD were well behaved back when I followed them 50 years ago . No trespassing, misbehaving or other antisocial behaviour. I would not have ridden out with them if they did.

Have you mistaken me for someone else? I am no hunt apologist ?‍. If I was, I wouldn't have started this thread...

 

[Clodagh]

The SD were well behaved back when I followed them 50 years ago . No trespassing, misbehaving or other antisocial behaviour. I would not have ridden out with them if they did.

Have you mistaken me for someone else? I am no hunt apologist ?‍. If I was, I wouldn't have started this thread...

I think Paddy555 that TP , like me, hunted back when it was legal and stopped when it was banned. She’s not the bad guy.

 

[Anon1357]

Interesting, I think it will be the only way some hunts survive and really is the only way forward as trail hunting in its current form can’t continue.

There is another expose due out tomorrow, that dispels yet another lie around trail hunting.

Agreed, I think lessons have to be learnt, adapt to the current climate or
get dragged down by the ones that don’t conform. I have no issue with true trail laying and many packs stick to the rules (I’m a trail layer so I know my hunt stick to the rules as I see them hunting my line) however they will unfortunately get swept in with the non conformist.

Drag hunting (non animal scent) or bloodhounds is the future of hunting

 

[Koweyka]

Agreed, I think lessons have to be learnt, adapt to the current climate or
get dragged down by the ones that don’t conform. I have no issue with true trail laying and many packs stick to the rules (I’m a trail layer so I know my hunt stick to the rules as I see them hunting my line) however they will unfortunately get swept in with the non conformist.

Drag hunting (non animal scent) or bloodhounds is the future of hunting

Yes, the hunts that are acting within the law, are all tarred with the same brush as the hunts that are cocking two fingers at the law and killing foxes, it was always going to catch up with hunting eventually, the webinars just helped it along.

 

[GSD Woman]

Pretty much, and that is not a compliment. This was an offence at the lower end of the scale, though, and much more of a case of simply not paying attention. Once aware, hounds were recalled pretty quickly.
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Haha! I didn't mean it as compliment, glad you realized my sense of humor.

 

[ycbm]

The webinars really are the gift that keeps on giving and long may it continue. The hunt itself admitted after the webinars nobody would believe they weren’t fox hunting….

Huge news! The Banwen Miners Hunt are leaving the MFHA and are instead becoming a bloodhound pack under the Masters of Draghounds and Bloodhounds Association!

This means that the hunt will no longer chase wildlife.

This is as a direct result of our exposé of the Hunting Office webinars which led to MFHA Director Mark Hankinson being found guilty of encouraging huntsmen to illegally hunt foxes and other wildlife.

That's a good result, and hopefully the first of many prompted by the webinars conviction and the lack of change in the people and methods at the top. It's interesting that they seemed to feel that a change to drag hunting isn't enough, and that the use of fox hounds is now so tainted that they need to swap to bloodhounds. I may be making assumptions there, but that's how it looks.
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[Koweyka]

That's a good result, and hopefully the first of many prompted by the webinars conviction and the lack of change in the people and methods at the top. It's interesting that they seemed to feel that a change to drag hunting isn't enough, and that the use of fox hounds is now so tainted that they need to swap to bloodhounds. I may be making assumptions there, but that's how it looks.
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I had heard they have rehomed the fox hounds, but whether that rumour is true I can’t be sure. There is also another rumour that another pack changing to drag, actually shot the hounds that’s a tragedy if true…. Victims of hunts not changing scents away from a fox scent.

 

[Koweyka]

I don’t know who is the most revolting, the hunt, the terrier boys or the landowner….. this isn’t a one off and this is why trail hunting must be banned.

 

[Sandstone1]

Disgusting, So thats trail hunting is it.

 

[Tiddlypom]

Covert cctv strikes again...

 

[ycbm]

I don’t know who is the most revolting, the hunt, the terrier boys or the landowner….. this isn’t a one off and this is why trail hunting must be banned.

This is so pointless. That fox living in that yard and will have had regular habits. All it needed was for someone to sit, probably at night, and wait for it and shoot it. Those people were definitely enjoying hunting it for the sake of it.
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[GSD Woman]

Why not just do real trail hunting and let someone shoot the fox.

I think I've mentioned before that my friends who hunt very rarely see a kill.

 

[Koweyka]

This is so pointless. That fox living in that yard and will have had regular habits. All it needed was for someone to sit, probably at night, and wait for it and shoot it. Those people were definitely enjoying hunting it for the sake of it.
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Yes, it wouldn’t surprise me if it was encouraged to stay in the barn for the purpose of hunting. I just hope it’s not another police whitewash as there is clear intent there.