Hunting is in a spot of bother

[Peglo]

The horse is often not owned by the Huntsman, he is an employee and it is a tool provided for his job.

You are definitely showing your prejudices here, sorry.
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I don’t have prejudices towards law abiding hunting people. It does not affect my life at all living where I do. I do have an opinion on someone (professional, happy hacker, anyone) who jumps a horse over a gate onto another person risking everyone’s lives but I would judge anyone, horse owner or not, for that behaviour.

 

[ycbm]

I don’t have prejudices towards law abiding hunting people. It does not affect my life at all living where I do. I do have an opinion on someone (professional, happy hacker, anyone) who jumps a horse over a gate onto another person risking everyone’s lives but I would judge anyone, horse owner or not, for that behaviour.

You need to choose your words more carefully if you want people to believe that you are not prejudiced. It's irrelevant to whether he broke the law if he is white/black or rich/poor.

As it happens he's likely to be a wage slave on average wages like most of the rest of the working population.
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[Peglo]

You need to choose your words more carefully if you want people to believe that you are not prejudiced. It's irrelevant to whether he broke the law if he is white/black or rich/poor.

As it happens he's likely to be a wage slave on average wages like most of the rest of the working population.
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you are likely right. I’ve gotten a ton of sexism from white privileged males this week and I’m a bit sick of it (unsure why it’s bothered me so much this week but sometimes it just does) and so this guy has gotten some of the heat too.

The white males being mostly colleagues who are the average working men. That doesn’t stop them discriminating against me for being female. (Or making homophobic and racist comments)

for what it’s worth his wage has very little to do with it. Being a white male means he doesn’t get the discrimination other minorities do and his behaviour shows he thinks he’s above caring about the safety of others and he can do as he pleases.

 

[Abacus]

you are likely right. I’ve gotten a ton of sexism from white privileged males this week and I’m a bit sick of it (unsure why it’s bothered me so much this week but sometimes it just does) and so this guy has gotten some of the heat too.

The white males being mostly colleagues who are the average working men. That doesn’t stop them discriminating against me for being female. (Or making homophobic and racist comments)

for what it’s worth his wage has very little to do with it. Being a white male means he doesn’t get the discrimination other minorities do and his behaviour shows he thinks he’s above caring about the safety of others and he can do as he pleases.

Where on earth do you work, that people still behave this way? If it's that bad you should be speaking to HR or a lawyer. No longer acceptable (but, and I mean this gently, it's not ok to judge other white males as harshly, just because of what they are. From your latest post you seem to realise this).

 

[Peglo]

Where on earth do you work, that people still behave this way? If it's that bad you should be speaking to HR or a lawyer. No longer acceptable (but, and I mean this gently, it's not ok to judge other white males as harshly, just because of what they are. From your latest post you seem to realise this).

no your right. I don’t make a habit of Judging anyone unless their actions are harmful or illegal. I have not made comment on anyone else on the field hunting that day. Only the one person caught behaving selfishly and recklessly. But i take note on my comment. I’m not great at writing what I mean and it was a tongue in cheek comment.

 

[Sossigpoker]

no your right. I don’t make a habit of Judging anyone unless their actions are harmful or illegal. I have not made comment on anyone else on the field hunting that day. Only the one person caught behaving selfishly and recklessly. But i take note on my comment. I’m not great at writing what I mean and it was a tongue in cheek comment.

The dickhead huntsman's actions have got nothing to do with him being white or even male. There are plenty of females with such feelings of entitlement (seen even in this thread ) and there are even non-white hunt scum around.
Why does everything have to be about race? If you look for racism you'll probably find it everywhere- the Guardian has written about how both gardening and maths are racist after all.
Some people are just blood thirsty psychopaths and entitled pricks- regardless of race or sex .

 

[paddy555]

Why does everything have to be about race? If you look for racism you'll probably find it everywhere- the Guardian has written about how both gardening and maths are racist after all.
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I agreed with your first line. Thought you had really gone round the bend with the 2nd line so I googled it. Got the most detailed explanation re gardening from the Fail and decided that the world had truly gone mad. Total and utter idiocy at it's worst.

BBC presenter James Wong brands British gardening culture 'racist'

Botanist James Wong, 39, who has presented Countryfile and appeared on BBC Radio 4's Gardeners' Question Time as a panellist made the controversial remarks on Twitter.

www.dailymail.co.uk

 

[Red-1]

I agreed with your first line. Thought you had really gone round the bend with the 2nd line so I googled it. Got the most detailed explanation re gardening from the Fail and decided that the world had truly gone mad. Total and utter idiocy at it's worst.

BBC presenter James Wong brands British gardening culture 'racist'

Botanist James Wong, 39, who has presented Countryfile and appeared on BBC Radio 4's Gardeners' Question Time as a panellist made the controversial remarks on Twitter.

www.dailymail.co.uk

Crikey, with Japanese Knotweed and Ragwort, come to that, I would have thought it a good idea to stick with native plants to some degree. I'm sure there are many occasions where imported plants have taken over in an unexpected way, same as grey squirrels killed the red ones...

I never thought it as racist!


ETA - Noooo... I just did a quick Google about animals, and found about the Crane toad killing native ones, and saw that the Natural History Museum, no less, calls them invasive species!!!

Someone only needs to get offended at that and the Natural History Museum will have to remove it!

 

[cauda equina]

James Wong seems to be talking about species of plants rather than different races, so by his logic gardening is speciesist rather than racist

 

[Koweyka]

So why would a huntsman and terrier boy, be filling in a badger sett the day before they are due to hunt there ……

Wynnstay Huntsman Caught Red-Handed Blocking Badger Sett - Hunt Saboteurs Association

Fed up with the blocking up of badger setts by the Sir Watkin Williams Wynn (Wynnstay) Hunt, activists decided something had to be done...

www.huntsabs.org.uk

 

[Sandstone1]

So why would a huntsman and terrier boy, be filling in a badger sett the day before they are due to hunt there ……

Wynnstay Huntsman Caught Red-Handed Blocking Badger Sett - Hunt Saboteurs Association

Fed up with the blocking up of badger setts by the Sir Watkin Williams Wynn (Wynnstay) Hunt, activists decided something had to be done...

www.huntsabs.org.uk

That link says page not found for me.

 

[skinnydipper]

That link says page not found for me.

Same here but I found this:

 

[Tiddlypom]

Apparently The Times newspaper are claiming exclusive rights to the story, so have pulled the hunt sabs link.

The two men who are alleged to be involved in disturbing the badger sett in woodland shot off at top speed when confronted, jumped on a quad and sped off. They were apparently recognised by the person filming them run away.

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/...king-charles-investigated-by-police-zzqwf2xj7. (may be behind a paywall).


The time and date stamped video, which shows the GPS location, shows the active badger setts undisturbed at 12.53pm on February 3, before two men filled them in at 1.14pm.

The video shows two men running away after being confronted, jumping on a quad bike while trying to hide their faces, and then speeding off across a field. Two hunt employees have been reported to North Wales police for allegedly interfering with the setts.

North Wales police said the matter was under investigation.

 

[Koweyka]

Definitely the Wynnstay Huntsman

 

[Millionwords]

One of those "isolated incidents" single "bad apples" im sure

Hunts just can't help themselves can they, its one thing after another, after another after another....isolated incident after isolated incident.

 

[Sandstone1]

How long can they get away with it? It seems every day some " Isolated incident" pops up.

 

[Indy]

How long can they get away with it? It seems every day some " Isolated incident" pops up.

It feels like they know an outright ban is on the horizon so they're having a Last Hurrah

 

[Tiddlypom]

It feels like they know an outright ban is on the horizon so they're having a Last Hurrah

And they don't care who they take down with them. Legitimate trail hunts, drag, bloodhounds...

 

[Abacus]

The fear that legitimate trail hunting and drag hunting will be banned has been mentioned a few times. It’s hard to see how drag hunting might be banned. It’s generally on private land and is just a bunch of people on horses with some hounds, jumping things. That’s no different to what I do in my own field with my dog beside me. I am struggling to see how they might word that legislation.

 

[Millionwords]

The fear that legitimate trail hunting and drag hunting will be banned has been mentioned a few times. It’s hard to see how drag hunting might be banned. It’s generally on private land and is just a bunch of people on horses with some hounds, jumping things. That’s no different to what I do in my own field with my dog beside me. I am struggling to see how they might word that legislation.

"Trail" hunts are on private land also, depending on their country there can potentially be little need for them to go onto roads....especially if its a trail and not fox.

 

[Koweyka]

Hunt run by friend of King Charles investigated by police A hunt run by a friend of the King is being investigated by police after two of its members... | By Norfolk Badgers Trust | Facebook

Hunt run by friend of King Charles investigated by police A hunt run by a friend of the King is being investigated by police after two of its members...

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[Millionwords]

Hunt run by friend of King Charles investigated by police A hunt run by a friend of the King is being investigated by police after two of its members... | By Norfolk Badgers Trust | Facebook

Hunt run by friend of King Charles investigated by police A hunt run by a friend of the King is being investigated by police after two of its members...

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Horrific, do we know if the chap who filmed it unblocked them?
I hope they weren't left to die down there!

 

[Clodagh]

Horrific, do we know if the chap who filmed it unblocked them?
I hope they weren't left to die down there!

I’m sure they’d have been able to dig themselves out very quickly. (Not condoning the action).

 

[ycbm]

The fear that legitimate trail hunting and drag hunting will be banned has been mentioned a few times. It’s hard to see how drag hunting might be banned. It’s generally on private land and is just a bunch of people on horses with some hounds, jumping things. That’s no different to what I do in my own field with my dog beside me. I am struggling to see how they might word that legislation.

"Trail" hunts are on private land also, depending on their country there can potentially be little need for them to go onto roads....especially if its a trail and not fox.

I don't know where you're watching trail and drag hunting but in Cheshire there just aren't any private estates big enough to provide trail and drag hunting without frequent use of public roads and tracks to move from one leg to the next. The meet is usually at a pub, too, the horsebox parking frequently on narrow country lanes or roads with houses on them and the followers in cars will park anywhere on public roads.

 

[Koweyka]

Horrific, do we know if the chap who filmed it unblocked them?
I hope they weren't left to die down there!

He absolutely wouldn’t have left them, the police would have been called and they would have been unblocked. We often come across blocked setts and we work alongside the police to clear them. They cannot always dig themselves out, very often we find stones wedged in there, depending on shape of entrances and the soil type they have to dig soil behind them, on occasion if the blocking is too severe they get trapped with nowhere to push the soil but soil still in front of them if that makes sense ? Also the cubs are likely to be born now and they need the airflow an adult is more equipped to live under ground than new born cubs, so it’s doubly cruel.

 

[Abacus]

I don't know where you're watching trail and drag hunting but in Cheshire there just aren't any private estates big enough to provide trail and drag hunting without frequent use of public roads and tracks to move from one leg to the next. The meet is usually at a pub, too, the horsebox parking frequently on narrow country lanes or roads with houses on them and the followers in cars will park anywhere on public roads.

Down south. Berks and bucks draghounds here. Quite a lot of their routes don’t seem to go over any roads at all. Even if they did, there is nothing inherently illegal about crossing a road or going along one.

 

[palo1]

There is no excuse for interfering with a badger sett - it is simply illegal and there isn't room for interpretation of that although the person filming would also, technically, be guilty of that. I understand that the individuals identified are employed/central to the hunt too but there are plenty of landowners who are happy to see badger setts 'interfered' with; I wonder what relationship the landowner in this case has with both the hunt and their resident badgers?

 

[Millionwords]

I’m sure they’d have been able to dig themselves out very quickly. (Not condoning the action).

Badgers can't dig themselves out, that's the problem.
There is no room for them to dig the soil back into, the pull it towards themselves, but there is nowhere for it to go.

 

[Millionwords]

I don't know where you're watching trail and drag hunting but in Cheshire there just aren't any private estates big enough to provide trail and drag hunting without frequent use of public roads and tracks to move from one leg to the next. The meet is usually at a pub, too, the horsebox parking frequently on narrow country lanes or roads with houses on them and the followers in cars will park anywhere on public roads.

Apologies I was referring to the land owned by farms being private, if you have enough local farms on board, then you may be able to cross swathes without a road. And hunts like the Belvoir who often hunt on the estate.

 

[Millionwords]

There is no excuse for interfering with a badger sett - it is simply illegal and there isn't room for interpretation of that although the person filming would also, technically, be guilty of that. I understand that the individuals identified are employed/central to the hunt too but there are plenty of landowners who are happy to see badger setts 'interfered' with; I wonder what relationship the landowner in this case has with both the hunt and their resident badgers?

What has the person filming done to be guilty of interference?
Looking at them, identifying whether they are currently used is not interference?

It doesn't matter if some landowners wouldn't mind seeing them interfered with, in this case the fault lies with those members of the hunt commiting the crime. If the landowner KNOWS they're there doing it, they are also complicit, but we can't know either way.