SirenaXVI
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No BG but I can lend you some plastic piping
works a treat slapped straight across their chests
I don't like the sound of this....
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Cobnut1
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It's interesting because I have had quite a few animals come to me who barge and generally use their weight to get their way. I simply won't stand it and think it can be really dangerous with the children around.
They will only ever barge once. I will do whatever it takes to get the horse to back away from me, and yes it is at that point scared. I will smack or kick if iworks, generally I also use a twitch (pinch) on their shoulder to get them to reverse away from me once I've made my initial point, just to reinforce it.
(My dogs also aren't generally allowed to go through doorways ahead of me)
Unlike your horse, none of mine barge, I don't have to shout NO at them at all really though I do occassionally turn the air blue
They don't tread on my toes and are safe to be around.
Maybe if you gave your horse a good thump and got him to back peddle away from you when he went to barge - he would stop barging.
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You haven't met him.... he does not tread on my toes ( i keep my feet well out of the way) he IS safe to be around.
there MUST be a reason why your horse barges.... he used to barge a lot, almost everyday, but he has been "cured" of barging and certainly not by force, pinching, kicking, smacking, or whatever else you care to do.... No, he has been "cured" by changing his sleeping arrangements, he no longer lives in, but is out 24/7 you would not recognise him as being the same horse.... occasionally he will pull me towards grass, and being disabled he KNOWS he is stronger than me, which is why I yell his name, and give a NO...... and he respects it, lifts his head, and carries on with what we were doing! Oh, and i have never sworn at him....
It's interesting because I have had quite a few animals come to me who barge and generally use their weight to get their way. I simply won't stand it and think it can be really dangerous with the children around.
They will only ever barge once. I will do whatever it takes to get the horse to back away from me, and yes it is at that point scared. I will smack or kick if iworks, generally I also use a twitch (pinch) on their shoulder to get them to reverse away from me once I've made my initial point, just to reinforce it.
(My dogs also aren't generally allowed to go through doorways ahead of me)
Unlike your horse, none of mine barge, I don't have to shout NO at them at all really though I do occassionally turn the air blue
Maybe if you gave your horse a good thump and got him to back peddle away from you when he went to barge - he would stop barging.
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You haven't met him.... he does not tread on my toes ( i keep my feet well out of the way) he IS safe to be around.
there MUST be a reason why your horse barges.... he used to barge a lot, almost everyday, but he has been "cured" of barging and certainly not by force, pinching, kicking, smacking, or whatever else you care to do.... No, he has been "cured" by changing his sleeping arrangements, he no longer lives in, but is out 24/7 you would not recognise him as being the same horse.... occasionally he will pull me towards grass, and being disabled he KNOWS he is stronger than me, which is why I yell his name, and give a NO...... and he respects it, lifts his head, and carries on with what we were doing! Oh, and i have never sworn at him....
watcherathome
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I would eat my hat if someone managed to stop my practically unhandled 3 yo barging them just with eye contact -
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Only if you are prepared to take your eye out and throw it at the horse!
MOST of the time mine will understand a firm NO, I then move on to a raised finger, and if that fails they get firmly poked with same finger..very rarely have to to go beyond that!
Unlike GTs I am firmly in favour of 'bitch slapping' (love that expression)..an open handed slap is noisy enough to shock but doesn't actually hurt and is my last resort.
Having said that my two are small enough to hang on to, if I was dealing with a bigger horse or a stallion I can see that you might need to get more physical. My view is that the horse should never feel it has a choice, there is no committee here, it does what is asked, end of.
I would eat my hat if someone managed to stop my practically unhandled 3 yo barging them just with eye contact -
Any offers? <img src="http://www.horseandhound.co.uk/forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />
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Only if you are prepared to take your eye out and throw it at the horse!
MOST of the time mine will understand a firm NO, I then move on to a raised finger, and if that fails they get firmly poked with same finger..very rarely have to to go beyond that!
Unlike GTs I am firmly in favour of 'bitch slapping' (love that expression)..an open handed slap is noisy enough to shock but doesn't actually hurt and is my last resort.
Having said that my two are small enough to hang on to, if I was dealing with a bigger horse or a stallion I can see that you might need to get more physical. My view is that the horse should never feel it has a choice, there is no committee here, it does what is asked, end of.
GTs
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Unlike GTs I am firmly in favour of 'bitch slapping' (love that expression)..an open handed slap is noisy enough to shock but doesn't actually hurt and is my last resort.
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Any form of hitting is better then telepathic reprimand.
Unlike GTs I am firmly in favour of 'bitch slapping' (love that expression)..an open handed slap is noisy enough to shock but doesn't actually hurt and is my last resort.
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Any form of hitting is better then telepathic reprimand.
Sooty
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When you are dealing with small, young horses, it is worth remembering that one day they will be 600kg+ of large horse. When something that size has no manners, it is a scary beast! The best way to communicate with a young horse is with language it understands, physical herd language. So much fuss about GTs kicking his horses from the ground - and kicking a horse when you are riding it is different because...?
the watcher
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So much fuss about GTs kicking his horses from the ground - and kicking a horse when you are riding it is different because...?
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Sooty please, you don't need to kick..just think warm thoughts and wave your wand......
So much fuss about GTs kicking his horses from the ground - and kicking a horse when you are riding it is different because...?
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Sooty please, you don't need to kick..just think warm thoughts and wave your wand......
Sooty
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PMSL!
Or as my instructor used to helpfully suggest, 'squeeeeeeze...'
burtie
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I would eat my hat if someone managed to stop my practically unhandled 3 yo barging them just with eye contact -
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Ha, ha, I'm just glad non of these do-gooders got hold of my mare at 10 months. I got her cheap because her breeders (first foal) had no idea how to handle a youngster and were totally petrified of her, she would charge at you in the field ears back and then turn to kick you (nice!).
For some reason I fell in love, she was stunning and well bred and I think I liked the idea of a challange.(I was still young and a bit reckless at this point).
When I got her home after doing all the correct introductions she was finally let loose in the big paddack, she immediately jumped out, landed in the ditch and sliced her leg severly from across the whole knee to 3/4 way down the cannon bone and was pouring blood. Managed to get wild filly in stable, apply pressure bandage and call vet.
4 hours, 24 stiches and a full leg immobilising bandage later, I had to face the prospect of wild, evil, 14hh ,10 month old on at least 3 weeks complete box rest.
Manners needed to be taught very quickly. I have to say what happened next is not something I'll be proud of but was completely necessary for her survival. We tied her very tightly in her stable with no hope of escape, let her struggle then went in to muck her out and hay/water etc. Any sign of ears back or attempting to kick was rewarded with a strong whacking with a broom, or a cold bucket of water. She was not scared of me initially but soon was.
Any sign of submission was rewarded very strongly and after a week we came to an understanding. I still own the mare (11 years on)and can't deny she is still very dominant in her character, but I love her dearly, she (I hope) thinks the same of me.
I can honestly say cutting her leg and the confined box rest was the best thing that could have ever happened as I had to sort her manners out iin order for her to survive.
Extreme story but I think you get the point!!
I would eat my hat if someone managed to stop my practically unhandled 3 yo barging them just with eye contact -
Any offers?
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Ha, ha, I'm just glad non of these do-gooders got hold of my mare at 10 months. I got her cheap because her breeders (first foal) had no idea how to handle a youngster and were totally petrified of her, she would charge at you in the field ears back and then turn to kick you (nice!).
For some reason I fell in love, she was stunning and well bred and I think I liked the idea of a challange.(I was still young and a bit reckless at this point).
When I got her home after doing all the correct introductions she was finally let loose in the big paddack, she immediately jumped out, landed in the ditch and sliced her leg severly from across the whole knee to 3/4 way down the cannon bone and was pouring blood. Managed to get wild filly in stable, apply pressure bandage and call vet.
4 hours, 24 stiches and a full leg immobilising bandage later, I had to face the prospect of wild, evil, 14hh ,10 month old on at least 3 weeks complete box rest.
Manners needed to be taught very quickly. I have to say what happened next is not something I'll be proud of but was completely necessary for her survival. We tied her very tightly in her stable with no hope of escape, let her struggle then went in to muck her out and hay/water etc. Any sign of ears back or attempting to kick was rewarded with a strong whacking with a broom, or a cold bucket of water. She was not scared of me initially but soon was.
Any sign of submission was rewarded very strongly and after a week we came to an understanding. I still own the mare (11 years on)and can't deny she is still very dominant in her character, but I love her dearly, she (I hope) thinks the same of me.
I can honestly say cutting her leg and the confined box rest was the best thing that could have ever happened as I had to sort her manners out iin order for her to survive.
Extreme story but I think you get the point!!
Santa_Claus
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*giggles at this thread* i got scared in the first page that i would be shot down in flames for admitting I have also both kicked and bitten a horse when they have tried or have actually managed to kick/bite me.
Fleur used to be very handy with her back legs as she just wasn't handled correctly as a youngster in Holland. She has had my foot in her stomach a few times since my housemate has had her (read that as perhaps 4 times in 2.5 years) and the last time I can remember was about 8-12 months ago (that nearly left me with a broken toe!!!!)
Biting wise she tried once and hasn't tried again since.
Most horses especially youngsters will test you, they will see just how much you can push them and its a case for you to illustrate to them they can't push you. Normally if they threaten you with a kick you only need to threaten them back as the threat is enough to make them realise you are serious. But occasionally you have to make contact. I'm not talking about beating up a horse which I would never condone but one firm kick (which they will barely feel) will make them stand up and realise you mean attention.
I look at Dan he was bred by friends who instilled manners in him from when he was a foal, although he has had a few rebellious times when hacking, in terms to handle he is one of the best on the yard which is just as well as at 17h2 if he wants to do something not much is going to stop him. Granted occasionally if he has the wind up his ar*e i wrap the rope round his nose when bringing in from the field to remind him i'm there but least I don't require a pressure halter or chiffney!!
so yeah i'm totally in support of a kick/bite in retaliation and agree also that bad manners are a major bug bear for me.
as to original post i don't think I want to kno what they plan to do with the concrete block unless it involves hitting themselves (read human not horse) over the head to knock some sense in!
Fleur used to be very handy with her back legs as she just wasn't handled correctly as a youngster in Holland. She has had my foot in her stomach a few times since my housemate has had her (read that as perhaps 4 times in 2.5 years) and the last time I can remember was about 8-12 months ago (that nearly left me with a broken toe!!!!)
Biting wise she tried once and hasn't tried again since.
Most horses especially youngsters will test you, they will see just how much you can push them and its a case for you to illustrate to them they can't push you. Normally if they threaten you with a kick you only need to threaten them back as the threat is enough to make them realise you are serious. But occasionally you have to make contact. I'm not talking about beating up a horse which I would never condone but one firm kick (which they will barely feel) will make them stand up and realise you mean attention.
I look at Dan he was bred by friends who instilled manners in him from when he was a foal, although he has had a few rebellious times when hacking, in terms to handle he is one of the best on the yard which is just as well as at 17h2 if he wants to do something not much is going to stop him. Granted occasionally if he has the wind up his ar*e i wrap the rope round his nose when bringing in from the field to remind him i'm there but least I don't require a pressure halter or chiffney!!
so yeah i'm totally in support of a kick/bite in retaliation and agree also that bad manners are a major bug bear for me.
as to original post i don't think I want to kno what they plan to do with the concrete block unless it involves hitting themselves (read human not horse) over the head to knock some sense in!
RunToEarth
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Ooo I am late reading this thread. I would just like to say that if it was for "natural horsemanship" and eye contact or whatever else you "claim" works, my horses would all be rude and nasty. and I do not stand for rude or nasty horses.
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I don't need to, if my horse goes to barge (and he does a lot)
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Obviously your method is not that effective if your horse is still trying to barge you...a lot
I don't need to, if my horse goes to barge (and he does a lot)
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Obviously your method is not that effective if your horse is still trying to barge you...a lot
Sooty
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Just for the record, a famous showjumper is reputed to stop his horses barging by using a cattle prod on them when they first arrive at his yard. That is, in my eyes, unacceptable, but it just goes to show what does go on.
GTs
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Do you use a hot shot? Police actually used to use them on people for crowd control too.
SirenaXVI
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God can't believe this thread is still going!
Cobnut1
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I don't need to, if my horse goes to barge (and he does a lot)
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Obviously your method is not that effective if your horse is still trying to barge you...a lot
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He doesn't barge anymore......
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I don't need to, if my horse goes to barge (and he does a lot)
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Obviously your method is not that effective if your horse is still trying to barge you...a lot
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He doesn't barge anymore......
Cobnut1
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God can't believe this thread is still going!
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Neither can i........
are you lot having a good laugh at the ihdg? shame on you...
God can't believe this thread is still going!
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Neither can i........
are you lot having a good laugh at the ihdg? shame on you...
Cobnut1
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GTS, what are your views on the old polythene pipe with barbed wire wrapped around it?
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Well I am not really into S&M - I much rather make love all night!!
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Really? Well I've yet to meet ANY man who claims he can perform longer than 2.5 mins........ how much viagra do YOU need, GTs?
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GTS, what are your views on the old polythene pipe with barbed wire wrapped around it?
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Well I am not really into S&M - I much rather make love all night!!
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Really? Well I've yet to meet ANY man who claims he can perform longer than 2.5 mins........ how much viagra do YOU need, GTs?
GTs
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That says more about the Scottish boys than anything.
I am a Holmes -
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SirenaXVI
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Actually, shame on you Cobnut for your very pleasant and intelligent post on the other thread - you give Scots a bad name
