I figured I should tell you the story... (VERY long)

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As some of you may know, I'm looking to buy a horse. A gelding, about 15.2hh, for me hack about on and generally get a bit further with my dressage. A friend of a horse.

So here's the story.

In wednesday night, my mum comes in to tell me that she's going to visit two horses for sale the next day, they sound perfect, and would I like to come.

"What, after school?" I say.

"Nope, you can have the day off."

I was so happy! She shows me the adverts. The first is a two hour drive away from home. The second only an hour. Long journeys, but we've seen about 12 so far and none have been right. But the first one sounded perfect. No photos, but these are the exact words:

15.1 appaloosa knabstrup gelding. 8 years old. Very safe ride, but forward going.

My mum had phoned up the owner, and he'd told us that he was a farmer who'd once competed (showjumping? perhaps hunter trials?) and now bought a couple of horses, brought them on over a year or so, and sold them for a profit. 'This appaloosa, he's just what you want,' he'd said.

And we'd believed him. So after two and a half hours sat on my bum in the car (I'm not a good traveller, it was a hot day, and our car really smells bad) we arrived at the 'farm', only to be greeted by about twenty dogs, and a farm hand in blue who pretty much ran away after he spotted us.

Okay, the farm looks nice enough, in the middle of the countryside (near cornwall, I think) neat and tidy, if not a little run down. We walk along a dirt path for about 5 minutes until we come to a caravan. A door opens, and a middle-aged woman comes out. "Is this Yellow Brick Farm (not the real name, just incase)?" We ask. "Oh, no," the woman says "You've come too far, but I'm sure John (again, not real name) will take you down there!" We agree, and she goes and gets John, who turns out to be a lad of about 18 in a tracksuit.

He walks us down the track.

"So John, do you live on that farm back there?" Says mum.

"Yeah."

"What do you do as a living?"

"I'm an electrician."

"Oh, cool. You've left school, right? Do you know the horse we're going to see?"

"Yes. And yes, you're seeing Hue."

"Hoo?"

"Hugo."

"That's a nice name. Do you ride?"

"Yes. I work for Yellow Brick Stables, head groom."

So. That was a bit odd. Surely a farmer who brings on a couple of youngsters a year wouldn't need a groom? And guess what? It was a Dealer's. I'm sure you've heard all the horror stories about dealers, but this really caps them all.

John lead us to this little dark lean-to, and took us inside. The first thing that hit was the smell. Normally, I like the smell of horses, but these obviously hadn't been mucked out for days. Second was the size and state of the stables. I helped out at a riding school, I'm used to run down facilities, but box stalls only a few feet wide really aren't fair.

We met Hugo. He had a roan face and neck, and a white bum with big brown spots, a black mane and tail, and he was beautiful. Absolutely gorgeous. But also absolutely starved. He was supposedly seven years old, but looked eighteen, he was so thin. His spine and ribs stuck out, and even his withers looked bad. Secondly, he had girth galls, a swollen knee, and thousands of cuts and gashes on his legs. He was so sweet! And frightened! And my heart melted, and there and then, when no-one was listening, I whispered in his ear 'Don't worry Oscar(that was what I'd have called him, it just fitted), don't worry Ozzy, I'll save you, if it's the last thing I do!' And he sort of stared at me, and I know I'm probably just humanising him, but I swear I saw hope in those big dark eyes.

I promised I'd save him. And guess what? I bl**dy well will.

To put it simply, he's a nice ride, but sosososo nervous, scared of his own shadow. Definately NOT what I need. He was spooking even on the drive of the farm, which is surely a familiar place, and my mum was riding, and she's really good, but it was all she could do to get him past it!

But I was so upset, and I've never broken a promise before, and never intend to. I forced my parents into contacting the ILPH, who'll inspect the yard, but if they don't confiscate all the horses, I'll buy that appy. The ILPH guy took us seriously though, which was reassuring, but he says not much'll happen unless we have video evidence of them physically abusing the horses, there's not much they can do. And the horses weren't abused! The lady who showed us around really loves them, but they obviously don't want to pay for vet stuff.

I hope now they're being monitered by ILPH they'll pull their act together, but I'm not letting Ozzy stay there. No way. What should I do? I reckon I could bring him on quite well, he just acts like a four year old out hacking, definately inexperience rather then fright.
 
Oh gosh, your heart is in the right place but please don't buy this horse! Let the ILPH do their job.

I was under the impression that you were new to horse ownership (or am I confusing you with someone else?), the LAST thing you need is an unsound spooky green neglect case.

Sorry if that is not what you want to hear and I REALLY respect your desire to help this horse but IMO you really need to walk away. The perfect horse wil be out there for you, it's not this one. Let the ILPH deal with it.
 
Oh dear, what a horrible situation to find yourself in. Firstly, you're not in the least responsible for the condition this horse is in and you do NOT have to rescue him. You did the sensible thing by notifying the ILPH and I would suggest that you walk away...
HOWEVER, having said that, I'm a sucker for picking up strays/abandoned rabbits, etc, etc, so I really couldn't blame you for taking him on. BUT, this will mean that you don't get the horse you wanted, could be buying a heap load of vet's bills and he might never become the horse you want...
All things to consider very carefully.
 
Saying that, I feel he's the only horse I want ;_;

It's so confusing, I can't really explain it, but I made a post ages ago about horse shopping, because I'd seen so many and not the right one, and you all said that I'd have an inkling when I first saw him, and know for certain when I rode him. Well, I had that with this appy! D: The second I saw him I 'knew' he was the one. And it wasn't just because of the neglect (I didn't spot it at first, it was dark and he was wearing a big rug), it was just seeing that little face poked through the bars...

Do you think I should pay for a 2* vetting? Just ask the vet if he'll be permanently damaged... I didn't post all the things I saw wrong with him, but I will now.

- Diorrhea, probably from eating his dirty straw bed (that's what he started doing when we put him back in the stable, he didn't even have a hay net)
- Overgrown teeth, but they didn't seem to trouble him.
- Little gashes on his bum that were probably bites.
- A swollen knee. He wasn't lame though, and I only realised he had it after I'd ridden, poor lad!!!!
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- Girth galls.
- A big scar on the inside of his hind leg. This is the only thing that I think may cause permanent problems.
- General thiness.
- Bad breathing. My sister said she'd heard him wheeze, but I didn't, and he didn't puff at all when under the saddle. In face, he had lovely floaty paces!
 
Deadpan, one thing you should remember is that if you pay the dealer for this horse you are only encouraging him/her to keep more horses in this way in the future. if they make money out of the situation, then it's a success for them.

I totally understand how you feel, but please go with what the ILPH say.

P.S. You have a really good writing style, by the way - you should write books!
 
Yes, ILPH said that. But if they don't remove the appy, I think I'll have to. Or point out all that's wrong with him (teeth, legs ect) and make a very low offer? I wish I could save all of them...
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Thankyou!
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Oh God... my heart says buy him, but my head says stay away honey!

I don't think I could leave a horse like that, but then I am a huge softy and would buy it, spend a fortune on vet bills and just hope that he would have some happy memories if he had to be PTS.
 
I don't like my head DX It's whispering all those things, but my heart is really yelling!

Exactly... I think I'll pay for a 2* vetting myself, I can just about afford it, and if the vet says he can be sound again, and might even live to be old, it'll be much simpler! But what do you say to the vet? He'll fail because of his imminent injuries... Would the vet tell me if they'd be curable one day?

I don't mind going for months without riding. I don't mind working very very hard. I've always wanted to rescue a horse...
 
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Saying that, I feel he's the only horse I want ;_;

It's so confusing, I can't really explain it, but I made a post ages ago about horse shopping, because I'd seen so many and not the right one, and you all said that I'd have an inkling when I first saw him, and know for certain when I rode him. Well, I had that with this appy! D: The second I saw him I 'knew' he was the one. And it wasn't just because of the neglect (I didn't spot it at first, it was dark and he was wearing a big rug), it was just seeing that little face poked through the bars...

Do you think I should pay for a 2* vetting? Just ask the vet if he'll be permanently damaged... I didn't post all the things I saw wrong with him, but I will now.

- Diorrhea, probably from eating his dirty straw bed (that's what he started doing when we put him back in the stable, he didn't even have a hay net)
- Overgrown teeth, but they didn't seem to trouble him.
- Little gashes on his bum that were probably bites.
- A swollen knee. He wasn't lame though, and I only realised he had it after I'd ridden, poor lad!!!!
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- Girth galls.
- A big scar on the inside of his hind leg. This is the only thing that I think may cause permanent problems.
- General thiness.
- Bad breathing. My sister said she'd heard him wheeze, but I didn't, and he didn't puff at all when under the saddle. In face, he had lovely floaty paces!

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I'm sorry as this is going to sound harsh but seriously, I think you need to get real. This horse is not your responsibilty and if you are absolutely set on rescuing him I think you need to ask yourself some tough questions.

Do you have the experience to get this horse right both physically and mentally?
Do you have the potentially large sums of money available to pay for veterinary treatment and reabilitation?
Are you able to keep the horse if it turns out he needs to be retired as a result of its problems?
Are you a strong enough rider to work through any ridden behavioural problems?

If you are confident the answers to all of those is yes then go for it, if not then seriously, you need to let the ILPH do whats best for the horse.

Again, I'm sorry if that comes as across badly but it is with yours and the horses best interests at heart- if the horse needs removing the ILPH WILL remove it.
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Dead pan - go to your local trading standards department, Animal Health & Welfare department, they have more powers than the ILPH and now the new Animal Health & Welfare bill has come in they don't have to 'prove' unnecessary suffering to be able to act.

Even if there's not a case to prosecute against they will continue to inspect until things have been put right and will help educate the lady who runs the yard.
 
If his teeth are *overgrown* to an obvious extent then he is an oldie for sure.

You MUST let the ILPH do their job - as has been said, if you give money for this horse it will only encourage the owner to keep selling. I know what you think you feel, but you must not let your heart rule your head.
 
Do you have the experience to get this horse right both physically and mentally?

I've ridden through worse, that's all I can say
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Do you have the potentially large sums of money available to pay for veterinary treatment and reabilitation?

Yes, to an extent.

Are you able to keep the horse if it turns out he needs to be retired as a result of its problems?

Probably not
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This all depends on a certain man though, who's literally an eccentric millionaire, who's wife has just got into riding. It's one of those fairy-tale circumstances, which might not happen at all, but he might sell us some land for cheap.

Are you a strong enough rider to work through any ridden behavioural problems?

Yes. Plus, he's a very little horse, there's nothing to him, I could control him easily on the ground as well. He's actually perfect, nice paces, easy to halt, snaffle-mouth, it's only this spooking buisness, and like I said, I don't think he's doing it through meaness.
 
You've all re-united me with my head though. I'm thinking it through very carefully. I have loads of experienced adults around who could help out as well, should things get bad. I'd have said yes straight away if I was certain he'd be safe on the road, which he's not.
 
"If his teeth are *overgrown* to an obvious extent then he is an oldie for sure."

But he still had his little wolf teeth? I know NOTHING about teeth, but don't those mean he's young? The back ones (up towards his jaw) were growing out. But to be honest, I wouldn't at all suprised if he turned out to be either a 3yo or a 30yo. It was so hard to tell because he had NO flesh on him!
 
"Dead pan - go to your local trading standards department, Animal Health & Welfare department, they have more powers than the ILPH and now the new Animal Health & Welfare bill has come in they don't have to 'prove' unnecessary suffering to be able to act."

Thankyou
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Just be aware that this "perfect to handle" horse is, by your own admission, severely underfed.

It's usually when you start getting food back into them and they start to come right physically (if they can at all), that the psychological damage starts to come to light.

What he is now, is no indication of what he could be or what issues he could have.

Its not unusual for horses that have been severel mistreated to need professional reschooling in expert hands.
 
I think you are living in a dream world Deadpan. You cannot answer positively to any of the difficult situation questions you have been asked, you are apparently relying on someone elses money.....go look for a nice horse that you can have fun on.
 
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Do you have the experience to get this horse right both physically and mentally?

I've ridden through worse, that's all I can say
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Do you have the potentially large sums of money available to pay for veterinary treatment and reabilitation?

Yes, to an extent.

Are you able to keep the horse if it turns out he needs to be retired as a result of its problems?

Probably not
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This all depends on a certain man though, who's literally an eccentric millionaire, who's wife has just got into riding. It's one of those fairy-tale circumstances, which might not happen at all, but he might sell us some land for cheap.

Are you a strong enough rider to work through any ridden behavioural problems?

Yes. Plus, he's a very little horse, there's nothing to him, I could control him easily on the ground as well. He's actually perfect, nice paces, easy to halt, snaffle-mouth, it's only this spooking buisness, and like I said, I don't think he's doing it through meaness.

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Apologies, I thought you were a 14 year old girl who had just bought her first pony... I must have you confused with someone else.
 
If you know nothing about teeth then how do you know he had wolf teeth and that his teeth were *growing out* (must be honest, I am not sure what you mean by that). I had a 7 year old that had never seen a dentist and the only way you could see that without a brace was the fact his inside cheeks were lacerated and ulcerated. If you could see major growth then the horse is old.

Where did your mother find the advert BTW?
 
I have to echo what everyone else is suggesting

Your story is heart wrneching and you sound like a wonderful caring person. I am sure this horse would be fortunate to wind up with you. Its just that in my opinion I think I would use my energy fighting to get this place shut down.

this way you not only save this appy, but you help prevent the next horse from going through the same!
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this way your efforts to help go even further and you wind up rewarded with the horse you sat out looking for to begin with.

The world is a better place for having caring people like you around though!
 
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"If his teeth are *overgrown* to an obvious extent then he is an oldie for sure."

But he still had his little wolf teeth? I know NOTHING about teeth, but don't those mean he's young? The back ones (up towards his jaw) were growing out. But to be honest, I wouldn't at all suprised if he turned out to be either a 3yo or a 30yo. It was so hard to tell because he had NO flesh on him!

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It prob just means they were never removed...a red flag that his vet care has been neglected imo
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Oh dear, I have seen dealers put an animal to the sales looking as you described that horse, to win hearts and minds. They know dam well someone will rescue the horse.

It sounds like a terrible case of neglect and cruelty and I am glad you have reported them. As for the horse, he would be a project and if you have the confidence and ability to take him - go for it.
 
"If you could see major growth then the horse is old."

I know the very basics about teeth. And I can't really explain it. He had a lump on the side of his face, and I thought it was an abcess but when I felt inside it was a tooth.

I think I know what I'll do. I'll try and raise money and donate enough for the ILPH to take him away...My parents said they'd donate as much as they could towards his keep if horseworld took him on...
 
I'm starting to realise that it's probably stupid to take him on. I only rode for ten minutes though. I felt perfectly safe on him, but it was in very controlled conditions... But what if ILPH don't remove him? What should I do then?

I think I'll leave it a week. Just to see what happens.
 
Deadpan look at it this way. Just around the corner could be the perfect pony for you. You could end up doing pony club championships and having the most fantastic time on a sound pony, with good health and no hang ups. Think how much you could learn from this.

Alternatively you could go buy this pony, spent a lot of money on getting it right (which it may never be) and end up with a horse on your hands that could need reschooling or could be downright dangerous. Depending on the extent of his injuries, he could then spend many years being intermittently lame.

People on here will tell you how mortifying it is to invest your time and energy into something that just physically can't come right.

They cost the same to keep.... Go have some fun with a fabulous little pony and let the ILPH deal with this case. Perhaps many years down the line, you'll have your own place, more experience behind you and the resources to get into rehabilitating such horses.
 
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