I just got kicked off my yard today

Ok Teebagsmum,

I think you need to understand that you are running on very dangerous territory here. You have a forum Full of supporters and you tell them to 'go boil your head' because they take offence that you would batter a horse or even use that language, perhaps it is you who should be holding your tongue. I see nothing wrong with whacking the door with the broom od the monster is kicking the door although I have always found that the best way to deal with a **** bag in the stable is to outright ignore it. If it gets out of the stable, ignore it, if it clamours around ignore it, if it kicks the crap out of the door put ear muffs on and ignore it! Focus your full attention on moving, you should have no problem re: bedding and hay due to your horses condition. Make a bloody good point of listing all your tack that you have lent the YO and demanding it back (give him notice to return it) Point blank IGNORE the fire breathing, chunk biting, door kicking dragon, it is not your place to sooth or repremand him, focus on your ned.


And finally when you have simmered down you may see how rude you have just been to people who were genuinely shocked by your attitude. Everyone on here was offering support over this, then you say you would 'batter it' and you take umbridge because people get ticked off by this. You do not apologise for causing offence, instead you tell them to 'boil their head' if you want support and sympathy off the forum, play nice, do not insult, and apologise for offense caused and rudeness.

teebagsmum said:
Well I've had just about enough now. And you haven't seen it and I have. And it does need a good smack.

And I really don't care if I am the type of livery you hate and would be glad that I'm leaving your yard.

Obviously I didn't mean batter batter it - just a figure of speech. But it does need to have some manners. It is too big to be behaving like this. And "Oooh, stop it you naughty boy" just isn't working.

I know I shouldn't have banged the door with the broom but I've had enough.

I have just put mine out and came back to find new horse has bust out his stable. Again. Tried to catch him and he was fine until I got him near his stable and then he ran round me in circles and wouldn't go in, so I let him go. He then put his ears back as I walked by him to go out the gate and get in my car to leave.

It's all very easy to come out with comments like the 2 above when you are not having to deal with the situation.

And how he behaves does affect me, actually. Because he is so spoilt and aggressive, I am having to get up at 5am to turn my horse out in my friend's paddock so he can have 3 hours turn out before being confined to barracks for the day at 9am when she puts her horse out. And, incidentally, nice, judgemental 2 above - the field has been split into 2 because when I arrived on the yard, my friend's horse attacked mine and bit his face almost down to the bone and now he is scarred.

You are not having to deal with this situation and I am, so go boil your head.
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teebagsmum said:
:eek::eek:

I've been at my yard just over a year. Was really happy there. No facilities at all (except lights and electricity, but no school, not even allowed to ride in the field really) but it was nice and chilled and no rules.

YO is a little eccentric (the other livery hates him) but he was always very nice to me, and his wife is lovely.

He would come to the shows with me if my mum couldn't come, help me tack up, do the practice fence for me, video me etc. I would help him with his horse, ride her, turn her out, bring her in, lend him my trailer, gave him tack that I didn't use, etc etc.

And now he has gone bonkers.

New horse arrived yesterday. MASSIVE 17hh+ warmblood. Not just tall but huge all over.

And stressy and aggressive and kicking crap out the trailer and kicking crap out the stable and yelling his head off. Turns out he hasn't been out with other horses for over a year.

He puts the new one in the paddock. I bring mine in past him and he chases us, runs up my boy's bum, my boy lashes out and the new horse whips round and double barrels him. Didn't connect, thank goodness.

We then try to introduce them on the lead rope in the yard. They both squeal and strike out.

(Not totally blaming the new horse - mine can be a little alpha-maley too.)

BUT.

This is an accident waiting to happen.

YO has not spoken to me for 3 days because I dared to ask where the new horse was going. Told me to "mind your own" and said I was a childless worrier that uses her horse as a substitute child.

He said to the new girl today that he would open the paddock gate and let them in together. I overheard and said "What are you doing?" No answer. "What are you doing?" No answer. New girl is mortified and says timidly "He is going to open the gate and let them in together".

I said "No. No way. I'm not doing it".

And was told, right, you have 2 weeks to get your horse out of here.

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If you are in the Solihull/Warwickshire/Wythall area I know of loads of yards I can help you with. Don't worry, there are many yards out there, you will find better, I can promise you that. :)
 
jemima_too said:
And to think so much of this could have been so easily solved with a pack of electric fence posts, some tape and an energiser. Why don't people just get on and deal with things rather than leaping up and down and shouting their mouths off?
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Agreed, this is what I have done with my baby, her field friend is going to be a chunky (beautiful) Irish Draft mare who althougn I am sure is lovely and patient could seriously hurt her very easily so whist my baby has to be confined to a small area (physitis) she is in a paddock in this horses field getting to know eachother then come into stables next door to eachother, it seems to be working very well :)
 
When you get to your new yard, I hope they will make sure that your horse is introduced gradually to his new companions. Also, I hope that your horse settles in really well and doesn't undergo a temporary personality change, as some do when they go to a new place. I hope it all goes really well and smoothly for you.
Electric tape doesn't always work, as stated above, but you don't know until you try do you?
The owner of this new horse at your place must be having a heck of a time with hers.
 
I have alot of sympathy for the OP. I keep my 27 year old mare on a farm which has a few (but they keep increasing) DIYs. The farmers are not knowledgeable about horses even thought they have a couple of their one. It is common practice for a new livery to turn up (we often get less than 24 hours warning) and the the horse put straight out in with the existing ones, no quarantine, no introductions. Yes, horses do need to sort out a pecking order and most of the argueing is noise and posturing, but just recently we had a 9 yo TB mare arrive. We did manage to keep her in the adjoining paddock for 48 hours so that she could see the others, but then were basically forced to let her in as otherwise we would have lost 50% of our grazing, and there isn't enough for year round turn-out as it is. The other horses in the field were a 8 yo meek cob mare, another 27yo, a 30yo and a 32yo. My mare has arthritis so cannot move quickly and is part blind on one side. Within 3 weeks she had been very badly kicked by the new one and I was left with nasty injuries to deal with twice daily - 1 month later she still has a an open wound - but it could have been a great deal worse as it could have been two broken back legs. The other owner felt it was perfectly ok to only see her horse once a week, so not surprisingly it was stressed when it saw ours being brought in/fed and generally getting attention, plus it was rapidly learning to push its weight around because no-one was giving it any discipline. It was also hungry as there wasn't anything much to eat on the field. You can't blame the animal for that, but it should never have been put in with elderly animals in the first place - that is simply bad management. We did try to suggest this to the YO, but it fell on pretty deaf ears largely because they don't KNOW horses. While mine was in an isolation paddock, since she could hardly walk, an 18mth old took her place. Great.

17hh may not be big to those of you who have them (I rode a 16.3 when I was 11) but you get used to your own animal's dimensions. Having struggled to tack up a 17.1 because of the weight of the saddle, I was more than happy to buy a 15.1hh. Cheaper to keep, easier to get on from the ground and the rugs are less humungous! The larger the animal, the more important it is that it has good manners. I agree with the OP that alot of people let their animals walk, quite literally, all over them. A sharp word is often all that is needed here and there. I used to have a stable companion that kicked its stable door every day - a metal door, so you can imagine the noise. One day I'd had enough (I'd given it its feed, it was just jealous of mine getting attention) so I screamed blue murder at it and gave the door a good kicking myself as I had steel toe caps in my boots. The horse quaked at the back of the stable. Funnily enough it never kicked the door again. Was that cruel? I don't think so. I didn't hurt it and it did the trick.

I think the OP would be off moving regardless. The YO is clearly not someone you could ever really trust, and if they can change their tune that rapidly, then it is likely things will only get worse. I'd love to know what it is really like between his wife and him. Wouldn't surprise me if she is scared of him.
 
the pony that died had a long and good life with a caring owner, yes it is a shock, but in the present situation you must put this out of your mind, and also the other horse and its owner, they are their problem unless, they ask for help, and the yo is shirking responsibility, you are not responsible for other peoples lack of knowledge, inability to deal with this distressing situation, they are their
problem.
you must concentrate on yourself, yes be selfish, you are responsible for your horse, he is relying on you to keep him safe, as you have get up at 5 am please look after yourself, get to bed an hour or so earlier, try to eat properly at regular times, have a glass of wine to relax you, stress and rising early every day so the horse can have some time outdoors, and looking for somewhere to keep him will make you very tired, i have lived through these things myself and understand, and can only reassure you by saying it was what i went through that lead me to my present good circumstances, you are a caring person who is going all the way in the interests of their horse and doing all the right things.
 
just read fatpiggys post, i can't tell you how sad it makes me feel, what can be done about these things, putting horses in with strange horses i thought was ILLEGAL according to e u law, caring people having to keep their older horses in these places, these big yards run by 'farmers who don't know horses' should be closed down and only people who understand a horses requirements should be licenced to supervise the day to day welfare and lifestyle of equins, what is the BHS DOING ABOUT IT the horse is a special case it is not farm livestock and requires daily specialised care in suitably organised premises
 
siennamum said:
I feel some sympathy for the OP. She's had her horse arrangements turned upside down in a couple of days.

There's no way I would entertain a 17hh bargy horse bwing turned out with mine unless there was a period of weeks for them to become accostomed to each other, let alone querying issues like worming routines.
I would be pretty hysterical if this were threatened.
I would resent bitterly a new horse basically being allowed turn out and having to keep mine stabled most of the time.
I would get extremely irritated by horse kicking the ***** out of it's surroundings and breaking out of it's stable - especially if I were the only person on the yard and were having to try and do my horse to the accompaniment of something door kicking relentlessly and breaking out of it's stable.
I would frankly not be overly interested in being a good neighbour/livery if this were all going in and I had to find a new yard.

In your place OP I would probs be short tempered and shoot off nasty comments about the horse. I might be sympathetic to the new owner, but tough really, she owns the bloody thing.

I would certainly be looking to move asap and let them stew in their own mess. All very avoidable with a little communication, planning and horse sense, but it does sound like a slightly strange set up to begin with.
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Have to agree with this and I would bang its door back too; if I had a headache from its banging I'd make sure it had one too from me kicking the door back. Petty? Yes, but totally understandable.
 
Aha Tristar - but then we'd be homeless! Until now we'd got away with it but we always dread new horses coming on (we've had some right numpty owners too, so we dread them as well!!!) Our little group gets on well, no-one is really top dog and they are happy to mooch, munch, snooze and have the occasional whizz around when old legs are up to it. We likened having young animals in with them as having 5 year old children put into an old folks home. No good for anyone. Unfortunately, the farm has realised that horses are easy money. No doubt very little goes through the books and we more or less look after ourselves so outgoings are minimal for them. Probably explains why once there were 5 liveries, now there are 11 and they'd like more.
 
OP, Im not going there with your little rant, as I have said pretty much the same before...just not so publically!
PM me if you are in the Lichfield/Burton/surrounding area, I know of 2 or 3 good livery yards that I can give you the number of if you want them. Hope that you and your horse are ok, dont stress about the new horse, just ignore its there if you can, and maybe have a cuppa with the owner - it sounds as though she could do with a friend!
 
tristar said:
these big yards run by 'farmers who don't know horses' should be closed down and only people who understand a horses requirements should be licenced to supervise the day to day welfare and lifestyle of equins, what is the BHS DOING ABOUT IT the horse is a special case it is not farm livestock and requires daily specialised care in suitably organised premises
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It would indeed be lovely if all livery yards were professionally run by caring, experienced people - but I think they would be charging a lot more than the farmer :( which not everyone can afford.

Surely it is the horse owner who must take responsibility for providing their horse with suitable accommodation? These poorer qualitity yards would cease to be if they had no clients....
 
i know, i know fatpiggy, i thought that as i was writing it, i do feel so much for what people are going through, when i was in this situation, i negociated with the farmer to have my own field, maybe you could, or even a fenced off section just for yours, and it was great, no more new horses chucked in when you were not there etc, it started a trend on the farm and other people did the same qnd got their own piece.
 
Hi Alex, unfortunately everything was fine when I moved on as there were only 5 other liveries, and they were all small ponies, in their older years. There was plenty of grazing and we could arrange ourselves more or less how we liked. Now there are twice as many neds on exactly the same amount of land. As to cost, well it is only a tiny bit cheaper than the big livery yard down the road and that has all the facilities, whereas we have none. When I first moved on I was saving quite a bit from where I'd come from but then the rent was put up 30% after I'd only been there 3 months. Unfortunately, my mare is just too old to entertain a move again (she's been there 6 years now) - the move on was traumatic enough for her. We don't need anything except a stable and year round grazing so I don't want to pay for things I will never use. You say that substandard yards would go out of business - honestly, they wouldn't! It is hard to find anything halfway decent when you are in suburbia and I know some right horrors but they still have full lists.
 
Cant you rent a field and put a mobile shelter on it.You can do as you please then and not be bossed around. Try to find one where you have field to yourself,if not one/two other horses.
 
Hello everyone.

I've had a couple of days away from the forum as I was so stressed, I couldn't cope with people putting the boot in.

I've been to the new yard and all is well and I'm moving him Saturday.

I'd just like to set a few things straight:-

(1) At no point, whatsoever, did I suggest that I would give the new horse a good smack. What I meant was that his owner should not be so soft with him. I certainly do not agree with smacking other people's horses.

(2) The first thing I did on hearing that a new horse was coming, was to ask if we could electric fence the field again. After the episode with my mine and my friend's fighting last year, I was not in a hurry to have a repeat episode. I was told that I was not allowed, as it would churn the field up.

(3) I did not tell the whole forum to go boil their head. This was aimed at the people who were posting spiteful comments to me when I was - quite clearly - having to endure a very stressful situation.

I have learnt the hard way not to post on here when I am very stressed. I obviously put myself across in the wrong way and then have to deal with the fallout.

I would like to put this to bed now and hope that the move will be successful.

Thank you very much to those of you who made helpful, supportive suggestions.
 
dont worry.. i learned the hard way too! .. people can really mis interpret things which make you more stressed!!
good luck and i am happy you have been successful!
 
SJ_Superstars said:
Glad to hear things are sorted out. Good luck with the move! :)
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Very best of luck and let us know how it goes.
 
tristar said:
good news, all the best with the future, please don't keep things bottled up and not post if needed.
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Ditto above! Really hope move to new yard goes well and that you and your horse can be more happy and relaxed. It would seem that some people on this forum want to find the worst in everyone, which is very sad, particularly when OP needs some support
 
Hello.

The new yard is very nice. We went for a razz round the fields on Monday and jumped 2 sets of tyres and a log. They have PTP horses there. And it's just around the corner from my house.

I have a grass school, jumping paddock, auto waters, 200 acres to ride around - lovely. And I went for a jumping lesson on Tuesday and Tee was an absolute star - Mr Instructor said it's best he's ever seen him - praise indeed.

But. Had his yearly flu/tet jab on Tuesday. I told the vet he hates it and should I twitch him or put it in his rump? She said No it's fine. She said she'll "do it in a one-er" and rams it in his neck and bends the needle big time. Oh dear, big swollen neck, can't get his head down to eat and in lots of pain. 3 days of bute and I can't ride him.

But a couple of days bute kicks in and he is fine.

And then...

I get a text from my friend at the old yard saying that the new horse has jumped the 5 bar gate and has kicked the stable door out and has been kicked out.

Eek :eek:
 
Really glad to hear you are settled, sounds like it was a good idea regardless of the reason behind it. That other horse sounds like a nutter.
 
what a pr*ck, i cant even imaginr this as my YO is so lovely. I wouldnt give this guy a penny of my money, make sure when you leave you drag his name through the dirt!
 
teebagsmum said:
Hello.

But. Had his yearly flu/tet jab on Tuesday. I told the vet he hates it and should I twitch him or put it in his rump? She said No it's fine. She said she'll "do it in a one-er" and rams it in his neck and bends the needle big time. Oh dear, big swollen neck, can't get his head down to eat and in lots of pain. 3 days of bute and I can't ride him.

But a couple of days bute kicks in and he is fine.
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Careful he doesn't get/have an abcess. These are truly awful to shift and my mare has a 3 inch scar from one that needed draining after just such a jab. She had exactly the same symptoms. Bute will mask the pain but the problem is still there.
 
DragonSlayer said:
No, I won't go boil my head. You need to think about what you are writing before you say it. I don't care what you say, your obvious attitude towards a strange horse stinks. And before you start yelling im living in fluffy kitten land, just remind yourself that you have no idea who I am, how I deal with my horses etc etc etc....

I suggest you step back and think a bit. But then, don't bother, seeing as you are leaving anyway....
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i have a stressful type mare and been driven around the bend when she's freaking out in her stable and have other people tutting at her behaviour. and also been in the situation you are explaining! my ex best mate brought a horse for her mum, it was aggressive and spilt personality would chase us up the field if i went to get my horse in (before i even had my horse) to ride i had to ban my daughter from setting foot in the field with it. both my geldings where petrified of it. i asked 4 times for it to not be turned out with my horses but when i came down there it would be in my field. it came to a head when i got a phone call from someone else at the yard to come down my mare had been almost killed by it. she is a show pony who had been placed at county that spring and had skin tears all over her body, she had kicks were there wasn't bites she was covered in sweat and was shaking from head to toe. now 4 years on she is a bigger stress head than ever and freaks out if a horse comes near her at the gate.
i didn't even get an apology i just got told not to tell anyone who came to buy him or else he would be stuck there forever i heard on the grapevine his new owners had similar issues and had blood tests done and he was a rig.
 
New yard sounds great - hope getting kicked off was inadvertently one of the best things to happen to you!

Other horse and owner kicked off? Ha! Love how what goes around comes around. Nutty owner now two liveries down... that's what you get for upsetting one of your best clients ;0)
 
Sounds ridiculous! Although if that's how he acts be glad your out now.
Hope you and your horse find somewhere even better to go :) Keep up posted!
 
ShowJumping Superstars said:
Glad to hear things are sorted out. Good luck with the move! :)
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Your new yard sounds lovely. Good luck with enjoying the facilities -and being so near home is such a bonus.
I completely understand how stressful it was for you, former YO, did mismanage the situation, but I also feel a bit sorry for the other owner.
When I bought my last horse she was a complete nightmare, inconvienced other owners, disturbed their horses and made them uncatchable. She nearly killed YO who had to jump out of her stable over the door, she injured a farrier and was a cowbag for the vet. Lucky for me, everyone at the yard knew me well and were supportive and tolerant. YO even joked that problem horses suited me. Having to deal with a new horse, behaving like a complete fruitloop would have been very stressful if I'd had the other liveries on my back. I was lucky, I was able to concentrate on settling the new one in without any politics. And she did settle, she's now such an easy horse to have around. Hopefully, the owner of the asbo horse will find another yard that suits him better. Not your new one though......
 
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