Fieldlife
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I cant see any bruising though as was suggested by another facebook poster?
I will have another go, hopefully more successfully this time.
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paddy555
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C,
as I wouldn't like anyone to die from high blood pressure I would be grateful if perhaps you didn't and especially grateful if you would refrain from asking for my thread to be closed.
ycbm
Einstein would be proud of my Insanity...
Tiddlypom
Carries on creakily
Why the hand wringing about the feet balance? It’s not that bad. I was expecting much worse.
I’ve not checked in to ‘that’ FB page in a while, though, I’m staying out.
I’ve not checked in to ‘that’ FB page in a while, though, I’m staying out.
billyburgers
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Nothing interesting to add about the feet but coloured antics has commented on shouty vets post as mo does event and is barefoot. Coloured antics not happy about comments received and being blocked, bring the popcorn this could go on for a while ;-)
Beausmate
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Seen worse. I'd be more concerned about a horse that can't cope when it loses a shoe. My recently retired from racing 5 year old, with horrible feet, managed ok on the hard, lumpy ground in the field. She wasn't particularly comfortable, as her soles are thin but she wasn't exactly lame and she was sound on the flat concrete. Bare behind, boots for hacking.
My farrier doesn't like shoes with toe clips, and he wouldn't cut that much out of the wall either, but
The horse in the video doesn't look hugely happy.
My farrier doesn't like shoes with toe clips, and he wouldn't cut that much out of the wall either, but
The horse in the video doesn't look hugely happy.
paddy555
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the problem for me is not whether the horse is BF, I'm sure he is better shod and I am not sure where the bruising has come into it, nor the fact that they are no worse that some other shod feet but simply that a vet regards them as good.
I see them as this. I think, but maybe wrong as I don't know who this is, that her riding horses are all relatively young. If I had bought a horse with feet like this I would expect the vet to point this out to me.I know the farrier most certainly would do.
It doesn't take much imagination, or at least it doesn't to me, to see where they will be in a couple of years time.
MuddyMonster
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I feel a bit sorry for the farrier that appears to have literally shod the horse once & has been publicly name dropped on the page, to be honest.
Edited for school girl spelling errors.
Edited for school girl spelling errors.
PurpleSpots
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Blimey, no he doesn't - and this was the better round?
Fieldlife
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Another poster on the facebook thread was adamant the photos (I assume the side photo) showed bruising. I was stating I can see no signs of bruising.
I agree, not saying feet horrendous for shod feet, but that are not what I would expect an equine vet to be show casing as good. Particularly the side on photo.
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shortstuff99
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Because I have been studying this today, I will also add for a defamation case to succeed than the claimant has to also show that they have suffered or likely to suffer "serious harm" from the publication.
Boulty
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I’ve just popped a comment on the other thread that had turned into the Dave (who is pretty awesome tbf) fan club cos I didn’t see this one… more because the Mr Mo acct (which obv has history on here of its own) had shared some of it & it made me chuckle although I’ll admit I’ve done so without looking at the original post
meleeka
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Interesting that the farrier comes from miles away, so either she doesn't think any of the local ones are up to the job, or they didn't want to do it. I wonder why?
ycbm
Einstein would be proud of my Insanity...
Your picture may be too small on your phone. There is pink visible for the inch or so below the coronet band on the front of the right side foot in the front on photo. Very typical of a white foot on a jumping horse who has hit a fence.
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MuddyMonster
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Interesting that the farrier comes from miles away, so either she doesn't think any of the local ones are up to the job, or they didn't want to do it. I wonder why?
I think their regular farrier was away.
The farrier whose work everyone is now judging, literally shod her horses as cover.
PurpleSpots
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Hmmm, given past knowledge of the page in question, I'm not so sure the regular farrier is actually just 'taking a break'.
I don't think anyone is judging the new farrier's work at all, it's what a vet is describing as a 'good' or even 'ideal' or 'perfect' foot which is the issue.
Peglo
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Or hoof porn.
I was reading the comments on both vet and Mo pages on FB this morning and I had to have a word with myself for putting myself through that.
why do I do it I’m not that clued up on feet so I enjoy a thread discussing hooves and those that have an understanding of good feet pointing out faults so I can learn a bit more, regardless of who’s hooves are being discussed.
Crazy_cat_lady
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Seem to be a lot of flying monkeys around atm...
PurpleSpots
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Or hoof porn.
I was reading the comments on both vet and Mo pages on FB this morning and I had to have a word with myself for putting myself through that.
I’m not that clued up on feet so I enjoy a thread discussing hooves and those that have an understanding of good feet pointing out faults so I can learn a bit more, regardless of who’s hooves are being discussed.
And that's exactly it - no help at all if feet are described as 'perfect' (or that other phrase!) when they're not, as it trains people to look for the wrong things, or overlook issues which worsen over time.
The most basic concept that SV seems to be oblivious of is that in a perfect foot viewed from the side, the line of the heel should be parallel to the line of the toe (and both in line with the HPA). In these feet it clearly isn't, meaning the heel tubules are being pulled forwards and the back of the foot is weaker, not to mention the imbalanced forces and compromises happening internally nor compensations made in the soft tissues and body higher up. (There will be foot gurus who will explain it better than me.)
Yes, the shoe is supporting the heel, and that's better than not, but the foot itself is unhealthy. And that's just one aspect of it!
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meleeka
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Well, as per usual it's not very educational is it? Calling those feet perfect and being so dismissive to anyone who dares question anything isn't teaching anyone anything, so what's the point? The poor farrier probably wont be getting any new customers off the back of it.
Calling those feet perfect and being so dismissive to anyone who dares question anything isn't teaching anyone anything, so what's the point? The poor farrier probably wont be getting any new customers off the back of it.PurpleSpots
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Well, as per usual it's not very educational is it?
Yes, what's the point? It's interesting to consider. There was a mention of x-raying some of her own horses' feet the other day too. Why this post about the feet being done...? A dig at the old farrier perhaps because she was displeased with them? It's the only reasonable explanation I can think of for posting that post, but who knows!
IrishMilo
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So he glues the shoes on...? Or do you mean double clips?My farrier doesn't like shoes with toe clips, and he wouldn't cut that much out of the wall either, but
Double clips have their place, good if you want to set the breakover back.
Rowreach
Adjusting my sails
He's shod it to account for the state of the feet in front of him, and to encourage a bit of improvement (hard without a complete management rethink) - I'm surprised anyone thinks they're not too bad, they're definitely not very good ...
Don't hold out much hope of them staying on though.
I hope he's ok with his work being posted on a Facebook page with a large following.
Don't hold out much hope of them staying on though.
I hope he's ok with his work being posted on a Facebook page with a large following.
mini-eventer
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My Farrier will change form toe to quarter clips, my boy can be prone to throwing out a lot of toe, heel like to under run if we are not careful. Quarter clips help manage this, However he says too long in quarter clips can encorage the foot to become narrow, so we swap to toe for a few cycles
paddy555
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that is what I was trying to say. Not about the farriers shoeing but that she posted the feet as being perfect examples. They are not. However her followers will look at the pics, see how nice they look, think the farrier has done a good job in making them look nice and go away thinking that their own feet look just the same so they must be equally brilliant.Well, as per usual it's not very educational is it?
Being so rude and dismissive when you, as a vet, should be trying to educate is just ridiculous. She did post, possibly around a year ago, pics of feet (I think they were hers) that had won the farrier's award at the event she was riding at. At the time I thought Hmm! I would have expected more from a vet.
If she was vetting the feet pictured (in this thread) for a client I wonder if she would just tell them they were perfect.
Fjord
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Thanks, this explains it well. I had to Google HPA but now understand it a lot better.
PurpleSpots
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Apologies, I should have written out the TLA (Three Letter Acronym)!
The HPA (Hoof-Pastern Axis) is also known as the FPA - Foot-Pastern Axis.
The HPA (Hoof-Pastern Axis) is also known as the FPA - Foot-Pastern Axis.
Bellaboo18
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Shouty vet v scared of cows horse. They've both met their match.
rabatsa
Confuddled
I wonder if it is a case of seeing something everyday = it becomes the norm.
Tiddlypom
Carries on creakily
Whilst the feet aren’t great, I’m seeing a decent stab by the stand in farrier at shoeing to the feet that he was presented with.
If I’m missing something bleeding obvious, which is quite likely
, I’m happy to be enlightened. My horses have all been without shoes for years.He could have shod with short heels which would have been much less likely to be pulled off, but which would have encouraged the heel to become even more under run. Instead, he’s trying to encourage the heel to develop, but agree that the chances are high that the horse will pull these shoes off.
Always be wary of a farrier whose charges never pull their shoes…