Flyermc
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Im not the best with horse colours, but what makes this horse a sliver dapple?
I'm In Love
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Dexter
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Doesn't look silver to me, it looks clipped out chesnut. There is almost no chance of homozygous silver in section ds either
BBP
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We went to view a horse there (before I did some research). We arrived about half an hour early if I remember correctly, could see the horse being brought in from the field but they didn’t let us in through the gates until the specified time. All horses looking over the doors were ears pricked and interested except the one we had come to see, who showed no interest or real response to us. Just felt off to me. Only notable response was to flinch away when KT partner came near her head. Otherwise the eyes just looked glazed. I saw the same bloke kick one of his dogs across the barn. Decided there was no chance they were getting our money, but felt so sad for the horse. She was a lovely horse too.
Bob notacob
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I had a horse that "went up" regularly. Was very good at it too. Never trust an amateur rearer ,they get you hurt! Well one day he stopped and never did it again (except on one occasion ,on command ,with a rider who thought she could ride,lol) Never any obvious reason except time and consistency .
blitznbobs
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Dont silver horses also have sight issues?
blitznbobs
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fiwen30
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Poor dote. Can anyone make out what it’s bitted with in that photo?
ycbm
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That's a memory from a long time back! That was a young horse bred by a forum member, who saw it on the forum and took the horse back and said he would retire it. It was called Tik Tok, as I recall. How stupid do you have to be as the rider to post that video?
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ycbm
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shortstuff99
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Flowerofthefen
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KT's old friend ( think they fell out, not sure?) Is currently advertising full livery!! Anyone would be mad to put their horses care into the hands of someone like that ?
PinkvSantaboots
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My friend has a pony that came from KT I went with her to view he was advertised for £950, he was far too cheap as he could really jump only thing we found was a few sarcoids and he was under weight, I think they just knew they would come up on a vetting so just put him up for cheap money hoping the person didn't vet.
We picked him up the following day and he lived at mine for 3 months we kept expecting him to do something horrendous but he never did, her daughter won so much with him hent went to POYS and is an amazing pony, his 18 now so she just does dressage with him now.
I think she was very lucky it's a massive risk buying from them but they are so glad they did.
We picked him up the following day and he lived at mine for 3 months we kept expecting him to do something horrendous but he never did, her daughter won so much with him hent went to POYS and is an amazing pony, his 18 now so she just does dressage with him now.
I think she was very lucky it's a massive risk buying from them but they are so glad they did.
YoLaTango
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Why on earth would he ride like this? I mean…. I know he’s trying to break the poor horses will. But I Jst don’t understand how riding like this accomplishes anything. Even if he whipped when the horse was bucking, but he seems to whip when the horse is going somewhat ok. My mind is blown… poor bloody horse.
Tiddlypom
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That horse was bought in as a 2yo by a former HHOer. He did manage to get the horse back after the events shown in the video but IIRC the horse was mentally shattered and never came back into any sort of work. At least he was physically safe.
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Dexter
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I was mulling this over earlier. I've often wondered how these dealers keep going. I couldn't work out how people keep buying from them.
The first post is the reason. Novice rider/owner and a cheap, but pretty pony misdescribed as being a desirable and rare colour, with just the tiniest hint of the truth to make the buyer feel sorry for it, and boom. Another few quid in the dealer's pocket.
Very interesting to see and I'm glad OP is not in the market.
The first post is the reason. Novice rider/owner and a cheap, but pretty pony misdescribed as being a desirable and rare colour, with just the tiniest hint of the truth to make the buyer feel sorry for it, and boom. Another few quid in the dealer's pocket.
Very interesting to see and I'm glad OP is not in the market.
Miss_Millie
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That's a little judgy.
You're right, I'm not in the market for a horse, but when I was in 2022, it took me many many months to find 'the one' for the exact reason that I had extremely high standards. High standards In the sense that I wanted to buy a sound horse from a caring owner, get the horse 5 star vetted and be sure that the horse was right for me so that I would keep him/her for life. My animals are all members of my family and my horse will be with me forever, regardless of whether or not she is deemed 'useful' by general equestrian standards.
I saw a lot of very pretty horses within my price range, which I would not touch with a barge pole. One was clearly lame in the backend, one upon a quick Google was being sold by an extremely dodgy dealer, one was clearly two hands smaller than actually advertised, which they tried to fake with some interesting camera angles.
Thankfully I am not shallow and I ended up with the perfect horse for me. She's my everything and was very worth the wait. She is also a very common/average colour.
Doesn't mean I don't appreciate the beauty of interesting colouring or markings. I made this thread because I thought the horse was beautiful, and the juxtaposition of the pain on his face and the horribly angled legs was heartbreakingly striking. If I DID have all the money in the world (which I don't, I am very much averagely off and would never be able to afford more than one horse) I would want to help him and many others like him. I only hope that he will end up in a better home, because he sure looks like he needs a lot of rehab and rest.
stangs
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Awfully patronising of you.
OP is not the problem. Nothing about the ad is designed to make the buyer feel sorry for the horse. If anything, it's targeting a teen with a small budget with too much confidence, who reckons they'll just need to stick a few rears and then they'll have a happy, rideable animal.
OP said they'd buy him if they had an "endless supply of cash". Now, given that having an endless supply of cash is pretty much impossible, what their post is implying (to me) is that, in an ideal world where one could think about a single animal's welfare without considering the implications of purchasing said animal, OP would buy him. Lord knows I've fallen in love with a stupid number of mass-produced hideously-built mini cobs on DD. Doesn't mean I'd ever buy one and fund those breeders, just that I'd like to imagine a world where I could do so without it weighing on my conscience.
Miss_Millie
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Exactly this. Thank you. The scruffy little mini cobs have my heart, too.
ihatework
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Because he is a thick macho idiot with not one iota of horsemanship in his blood
FieldOrnaments
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Wouldn't we all buy the sad ones if we had an endless supply of cash? I know I would; gosh, given my way, I'd have hoards of unwanted creatures and spend all my days waiting on them hand and foot. In the real world it is an impractical impossibility to say the least and will never happen, and given the current financial mess the country's in my £20 to WWF and Dogs on the Streets in the runup to Christmas felt like an extravagance.
EllenJay
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No - I wouldn’t buy the sad ones. I wouldn’t want to financially support these dodgy dealers, however, they only have dodgy horse as bad owners have sold on their rejects. The sooner there isn’t a market for pretty but broken horses, the sooner their suffering will go.
I don’t know what the answer is, but the current system of dealing with broken/damaged animals isn’t working
Miss_Millie
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It isn't just dodgy dealers that sell broken horses, but this needs a whole other thread on responsible horse breeding.
YoLaTango
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The poor horse. Imagine that being your introduction to riding. That video is the only time in my life I’ve seen someone unseated and think “well done” to the horse.
Dexter
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You posted this saying I'm in love. With a knackered horse from one of the worst dodgy dealers, she will be delighted at the exposure. And you're still saying if you had the money you would buy him if you could afford it and talking about rehab and rest and better homes. Who do you think these better homes are? Its not the people who buy these poor sods, because those people know better than to perpetuate the cycle by funding these people.
stangs
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Somehow I can’t imagine that this thread - which has enabled that damning video to resurface, and is filled with critical comments of the dealer and horse - is the kind of exposure she’d be delighted with.
Miss_Millie
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Are you saying that anyone who physically or emotionally rehabs a horse is perpetuating a cycle of funding abuse? Because abused, broken horses don't just come from dodgy dealers.
They come from racing yards.
They come from competition yards.
They come from the amateur recreational rider.
They come from the professional rider.
I'm probably wasting my time defending myself, because clearly you have decided I'm a bad human being for simply thinking that a horse was a beautiful colour. I know that Dragon Driving has a bad reputation, so I'm not surprised that he is being sold by a dodgy dealer. But I did not make this post with the intention of 'promoting' said seller. Their name is withheld, if that had not been the case then perhaps I would have recognised them from the dodgy dealers FB page.
Anyway, I digress. Sorry that my post was so offensive to you.
YoLaTango
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I can’t stop thinking about that video for some reason. As the kids say… it’s living in my head rent free.
The thought that keeps coming to me - there are many reasons why I hate the fact I bought an Unbacked 3 yr old. Many! But one of the reasons I
It? I know he has never experienced anything like this. And if I have anything to do with it (I don’t go bankrupt etc) he never ever will.
The thought that keeps coming to me - there are many reasons why I hate the fact I bought an Unbacked 3 yr old. Many! But one of the reasons I
It? I know he has never experienced anything like this. And if I have anything to do with it (I don’t go bankrupt etc) he never ever will.nutjob
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Novice and first time buyers are not the only people being scammed by dodgy dealers. They are now much more sophisticated than they used to be. Many use multiple names and use friends and staff to advertise for them so it's really very difficult to identify who is behind the sale and some pose as private sellers or buyers if they are trying to obtain free or low price horses being passed on as companions. It's impossible to know the names of and to recognise the faces and yards of all the dodgy ones.
I tried a horse at a dealers, someone who also previously rode internationally in SJ. They had many glowing references and no adverse reports what so ever. He knew the horse had kissing spines and had previously reared and gone over backwards but didn't mention it to me. I didn't buy it as it didn't go very well for me, but it didn't go up. I am an average riding club level rider with decades of experience and am also VERY VERY lucky. The person who did buy it has now had a terrible accident where the horse reared and went over. This horse has been euthanised, leaving the buyer injured and £1000's out of pocket.
Since my dodgy dealer experiences I have been in contact with many others who have been scammed, most are experienced competent amateurs and all were looking for a horse to do a job, not a pretty colour or a pity purchase, most passed 5 stage vettings and cost in the region of £5-10k.
Buying a horse is a minefield now, it certainly opened my eyes about some of the stuff which goes on, and don't forget even if you take a dodgy dealer to court and win, all their assets are held by partners and relatives so you just join a queue of unpaid ccj holders.
sakura
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I was scammed with my first horse. Thankfully, the story has a happy ending as I learnt quickly once I realised the situation and the horse has now been with the same (new) owner for 12+ years. I was ignorant and young and fell in love with a physically beautiful horse. I don't think that makes me a bad person, I did everything I could to give the horse the best. But it does make the sellers who knowingly passed on a very sad horse to people who didn't realise what they were getting into pretty morally bankrupt.
I really hope the horse in this advert also gets a happy ending.
I really hope the horse in this advert also gets a happy ending.
eggs
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Unfortunately there are people who look to buy a horse that is a pretty / unusual colour and as they often have a premium price due to their colouring there are unscrupulous people who breed purely for colour with no thought for the confirmation of the parents so you end up with horses with shocking confirmation but who sell based on their colour. I despair at this.