Introducing Lindeza (lin-day-za)

Steerpike said:
I guess it sometimes takes a few attempts to find a horse that will suit, I've must be very lucky to get on with all of mine ?
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I get on with all of mine ? but one is extremely special to me and there's nothing i wouldnt do to make it work... Track ✅ worked twice a day ✅ 4.30am start ✅ huge expense ✅.... They all get what they need but some just stand out.
 
Bellaboo18 said:
I get on with all of mine ? but one is extremely special to me and there's nothing i wouldnt do to make it work... Track ✅ worked twice a day ✅ 4.30am start ✅ huge expense ✅.... They all get what they need but some just stand out.
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I've got one that I have had to shape my whole life around too, stupendously awkward and hard work but worth it . I doubt anyone else would put themselves out for her though ? its fairly ridiculous ?
 
I've got 2 that I brought unseen, brilliant to ride but completely different to ride and management wise one needs lots of bucket feeds and haylage the other lives off fresh air, one looks more like a 16h TB the other a 14h mini tank, but that's horses I think you have to be flexible to a point when it comes to management.
 
ycbm said:
I watched her last night and it was fascinating. She had a choice of soaked haylage, Top Chop zero and barley straw. She was eating the chop until Ludo started to pick at the straw, then this happened

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She was cramming as much in her mouth as she could get in it, it was like watching a conveyor belt.

Apologies if thread has moved on, I’m just catching up. I read this and it exactly the same as my share horse - also a PRE. Still out in a muzzle and literally hoovers up hay and haylage - never thought it possible horse could eat so quickly (had a tb who was similar but PRE’s mouthfuls are something else). On a permanent diet, half days grazing then comes in for a rest (To give her chops and enforced rest). My preference is to feed forage ad lib but genuinely couldn’t with her, she just wouldn’t stop!

However, she has a heart as big as a bucket, loves a bit of drama (very Spanish!) and is always good fun- never boring!!!
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LadyGascoyne said:
https://www.horsemart.co.uk/for-sale-kyzyl-doubloon-/Horses/610604

I’ll just leave this here as I’ve always wanted one but I’m not sure I could do one justice with my happy hacker lifestyle at the moment. Four whites and a blaze too which I love on a bay.
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He is beautiful! Someone please buy him so I can keep lusting after him ?

I have two with very different needs so I know how tricky it can be! Would it not be a really easy solution to separate them over night so she can have straw and him haylage? But if she doesn’t light your heart on fire move her on. Horses are a complete graft at the best of times, you need horses where the hard work doesn’t feel like a chore. I would move mountains for mine, even the new one has stolen my heart. If you don’t feel like that there will be one out there that you will. Find her a good home and buy that beautiful Akhal-Teke ?
 
palo1 said:
Me too!! :):) I have always wanted an Akyl Teke but I don't think they are always easy, temperament wise...!! I think the Kyzyl Teke's are good and are British bred by someone who knows them well but I have always wondered about wise it is to take a Teke out of it's natural environment; they are a bit of a specialist sort of horse care-wise I understand. :)
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Sorry to derail the thread a bit but what kinda of specialist care do Tekes need? I don't know much about them?

My little native has recently had to have a huge overhaul of her management due to potential EMS. Its a lot more work (weighing and soaking hay, riding tonight in peeing cold rain and going to up exercise to twice a day), money (adding a balancer as recommended by vet), and heartache (seeing her step away as I come to muzzle her for turnout), but despite the fact that she can be the most frustrating horse in the world, I cant imagine not doing it for her. I love her even when I don't like her. I think OP that your mind is already made up.
 
I think if ycbm wants a horse that doesn't need a very particular regime then an Akhal Teke is probably not the thing tbh!! The people I know who have them are fairly clear about everything needing to be tailored to their individual characters and one of the most respected studs ensure that each Teke has 1 particular handler only due to their very sensitive and individual natures. I think the Kyzyl line is probably much more laid back but I don't think you can ever hope to achieve the true Teke 'look' or talents in the environment available in this country. :)
 
palo1 said:
I think if ycbm wants a horse that doesn't need a very particular regime then an Akhal Teke is probably not the thing tbh!! The people I know who have them are fairly clear about everything needing to be tailored to their individual characters and one of the most respected studs ensure that each Teke has 1 particular handler only due to their very sensitive and individual natures. I think the Kyzyl line is probably much more laid back but I don't think you can ever hope to achieve the true Teke 'look' or talents in the environment available in this country. :)
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Thanks, thats really interesting!
 
atropa said:
Sorry to derail the thread a bit but what kinda of specialist care do Tekes need? I don't know much about them?

My little native has recently had to have a huge overhaul of her management due to potential EMS. Its a lot more work (weighing and soaking hay, riding tonight in peeing cold rain and going to up exercise to twice a day), money (adding a balancer as recommended by vet), and heartache (seeing her step away as I come to muzzle her for turnout), but despite the fact that she can be the most frustrating horse in the world, I cant imagine not doing it for her. I love her even when I don't like her. I think OP that your mind is already made up.
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Mmm well I am certainly no expert BUT when I was looking to buy a well bred Akhal Teke I was told by Russian and Kazhaky breeders that coat care can be tricky in a wet/damp environment - the original Akhal Teke evolved in very dry places so had no real need of the kind of waterproofing one might want for the UK climate for one thing. Apart from anything else that can make getting the famous metallic bloom on the coat very difficult. Not impossible but harder work. Another issue is the temperament - they tend to be very much one person animals and in fact this characteristic is prized in some bloodlines. They can be quick to aggression, highly alert to danger and sensitive emotionally. For UK owners the conformation of the traditional teke can prove very trying in terms of ailments - not because they are not tough, sound or hardy but because vets, farriers etc often put difficulties down to their slightly unusual conformation which can be very frustrating in terms of identifying problems. I understand the Kyzyl line are slightly diluted (which actually wouldn't appeal to me tbh) so would probably be much easier but a true Akhal Teke is definately not just any kind of horse. They are very beautiful and special I think but I decided that until I was retired they would probably be a project too far!! :) :)
 
There is nothing wrong with deciding a horse is not for you, for whatever reason that is. She suited the job at the time so I don’t think anyone can make a judgement as to “why” she was bought. I bought the wrong horse. I bought a horse for the wrong reason (I had just lost 2 and felt if I didn’t get another now I would never get another). He was sold on to a much more suitable home.
 
ycbm said:
I don't think so PaS. It's the width between my knees that's the issue and my knees are as close to her as you can get, they aren't on the blocks, they are behind them, and it's a monoflap.
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Hi I am similarly narrow hipped and have a very wide flat backed horse .. have found that the Hidalgo Venice Dressage saddle has a great seat with a good twist which means I don't feel like my legs are being twisted out of my hips (if you know what I mean) .. NB it's the leather tree version. Although it's dressage cut I can easily get into forward seat for fast work out hacking in it. Am sure there are other saddles that also have this ability to sit on a wide horse but with quite a narrow twist without punishing the horses back but this is just what I've found.
 
Zuzan said:
Hi I am similarly narrow hipped and have a very wide flat backed horse .. have found that the Hidalgo Venice Dressage saddle has a great seat with a good twist which means I don't feel like my legs are being twisted out of my hips (if you know what I mean) .. NB it's the leather tree version. Although it's dressage cut I can easily get into forward seat for fast work out hacking in it. Am sure there are other saddles that also have this ability to sit on a wide horse but with quite a narrow twist without punishing the horses back but this is just what I've found.
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It's not the width at the twist which is the issue. WOW saddles that I use have a great twist for women. It's the width at the knee. My other horse is in an identical saddle and I don't sit twisted on him. The only other horse I've had where I was told I was sitting twisted was a similarly 'wide at my knees' cob. It felt like coming home when I bought a TB to replace him. I posted about it 2 years ago.
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Kamikaze said:
There is nothing wrong with deciding a horse is not for you, for whatever reason that is. She suited the job at the time so I don’t think anyone can make a judgement as to “why” she was bought. I bought the wrong horse. I bought a horse for the wrong reason (I had just lost 2 and felt if I didn’t get another now I would never get another). He was sold on to a much more suitable home.
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I never understand why people stick with sellable horses that they aren't having fun with, K. Both you and the horse won by changing homes.

I never try and buy 'the right' horse. I always buy the first good horse that I come across that I like that I'm reasonably sure I can sell on if we don't gel. Deza was bought because I really wanted to try training a Spanish horse and she is a lovely mare who was in the right place at the right time and the right price. I don't regret it for a moment, but if I decide to sell I won't regret that either.
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I had a PB akhal-teke on LWVTB a few years ago.
He went back but he absolutely took a piece of my heart with him. Very very sensitive one person horse.
I adored him but had to make the sensible decision that bringing him on in Surrey, with fast busy roads, was almost certainly going to be a disaster sooner rather than later.
I had a professional transporter take him back for me. She green yards and transports alot of abandoned horses, she knows her stuff. She had to pull in at some services and have an emergency vet out to sedate him to get him back safely/in 1 piece, not something she will have done lightly.
I still follow his endurance results even now 5 years later, though he seemed to get vetted out lame alot and didn't do anything last year, so who knows, maybe that was a lucky escape too?
He had the gorgeous metallic coat as well.

Anyway, sorry de-railing your thread OP.
I have an EMS pony, it is jolly hard work and difficult to manage unless you can adjust the yard set up. Luckily I love riding whatever the weather, however I feel all year round but I do absolutely understand the additional pressure of not wanting to have to ride.
For me it's worth it, she's incredible but I can quite understand not everyone would want to make the sacrifices and adjustments needed.
I'm sure you'll work it out, whether that's a sell on or an adjustment in management :)
 
I gave up trying to buy the "right" horse snd bought a "good" one instead...Best thing I've done so far...he's such a chilled out dude ?
At least Deza has stayed sound and you can sell her, esp in the current market.
With all due respect Im not sure I understand the fascination with PRE's but then I'm most definitely #TeamLudo ? Do you definitely want/need the stress etc of having 2 in work...?? Could you not just get Ludo a companion..??
 
I'd really like to be down to one ridden for winter SLH. But I like having 'a spare' in case of illness, and I like the contrast when the weather isn't bad day after day.

If one of my trainers says they have a client for Deza at a sensible price I would let her go and buy a 2 or 3 year old that's got a lot of TB in it.

Ludo was a miraculous chance find, he's been nothing but a joy to ride and he is such a sweet character. And he's going brown!
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ycbm said:
I never understand why people stick with sellable horses that they aren't having fun with, K. Both you and the horse won by changing homes.

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I agree with this. A few years back I bought a horse for Mr Red and I to share. I had retired from work because of bad hips/ back when riding 17.2 for hours at a time, but thought a leisure horse of the same dimensions would be OK for an hour a day. My hips hurt so I sold.

I was surprised how many people thought I was 'wrong' somehow. She was only here for 6 days, went to my friend (who has a professional yard) to sell and sold well after a few shows.

I also just sold my lovely young horse because my head is not in the right place. She also went to my professional friend, and sold pretty much instantaneously after a few weeks and a few shows. I am really enjoying her news and photos. She is out eventing now, where she should be, while I am am a lot happier with Rigsby, who on paper is a 'bad buy'.

They take a lot of keeping, you need to have one that makes your heart sing. I smile every time I look at Rigsby. It is not about what we do, it is about happiness.
 
Cortez said:
Good decision: that "look-of-eagles" thing should be a clue....
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Absolutely :) Akhal Tekes are so other-worldly though and I still peruse some of the Kazakh breeders pages (love pictures of horses wearing necklaces!!). I decided that the 'look of dragons' was probably easier though my beautiful appaloosa/arab has a slight 'look of something' too and he is super sensitive and quite a management challenge in himself. Horses, for most of us, are supposed to be fun so why make it harder for ourselves?

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Goldenstar said:
just look at him you would not want to cross him would you .
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I don't want to derail @ycbm's thread but they have a deserved reputation for 'snapping' quite lethally when provoked. That is a skill set and attitude that may well be desirable in some situations but probably not in a 12x12 stable! The nearest you might find to this 'look' without the particular nature and needs of a Teke is probably an English TB and I think that is what ycbm might consider if Deza can't work out. Sounds like that might be a good match for Ludo. :)
 
palo1 said:
Absolutely :) Akhal Tekes are so other-worldly though and I still peruse some of the Kazakh breeders pages (love pictures of horses wearing necklaces!!). I decided that the 'look of dragons' was probably easier though my beautiful appaloosa/arab has a slight 'look of something' too and he is super sensitive and quite a management challenge in himself. Horses, for most of us, are supposed to be fun so why make it harder for ourselves?

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Is it only me that thinks that is hideous..?! ????????
 
palo1 said:
Absolutely :) Akhal Tekes are so other-worldly though and I still peruse some of the Kazakh breeders pages (love pictures of horses wearing necklaces!!). I decided that the 'look of dragons' was probably easier though my beautiful appaloosa/arab has a slight 'look of something' too and he is super sensitive and quite a management challenge in himself. Horses, for most of us, are supposed to be fun so why make it harder for ourselves?

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Ooh, no, too extreme!
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