Irish breeders without warmblood?

[Goldenstar]

TIH is a thing now with some breeders realising there’s a large market for them,
there’s a Traditional Irish Horse Association who have a website and a Facebook page .

 

[Cragrat]

Does it make a difference on what breed the dam or site is? So if I was after a amateur competitive 50/50. Would the dam be better off being the RID of a TB? Just wondering, as I was initially after an ex racer to be a broodmare.

Also i suspect the warmbloods have more soundness issues due to the fact they are bred nowadays to have extremely elastic paces, probably too elastic for their welfare? Add to that the conditions WB’s are prone to, such as pssm and you’re likely to end up with a pretty delicate horse. Although my Irish Cob X Connemara has pssm, so he’s no better.

I was always told that you put 'blood onto bone'. so you have a heavier mare and put her to a TB stallion. In the old days in England, farmers would have their farm mare/native/ heavy horse/ or Cleveland type, and a TB stallion would do a tour of the area, covering mares as he went, producing hunter tyoes.

But as someone said above, TB mares were cheap and plentiful in racing areas in Ireland, so perhaps it always was more common there to do it the other way around?

 

[spacefaer]

@LincsLady22 traditionaliy, the saying was "blood to bone" so you'd put a TB stallion on a draught mare. I don't know how much difference it makes tbh. Our best half bred was by a Northern Dancer stallion out of an old fashioned RID mare. He was hardy as a draught and looked like a giant TB. This was him at 19

 

[ycbm]

Draft mares are generally easier to keep than TBs, and good TB stallions more prevalent than good IDs, so often the amateur breeders have used draft mares put to aTB or TBx stallion.

 

[GSD Woman]

TIH is a thing now with some breeders realising there’s a large market for them,
there’s a Traditional Irish Horse Association who have a website and a Facebook page .

This goes back to what I said earlier in the thread, most of us aren't shooting for the stars and aren't going to be a top eventer, show jumper or dressage competitor. We want a safe, all purpose horse. I hope the quarter horse breeders in this country get that in their heads and quit breeding the peanut rollers, over muscled horse on tiny hooves or for extreme cow drive. All of those appeal to some people but 40 years ago you could find a quarter horse that could do shows, local to A rated, hunt, do lessons, run barrels and have a nice sound horse.

 

[The Irish Draft 2022]

As someone who lives in Ireland your most average Irish sport horse has warmblood Tb and ID mixed altogether. A lot of people are breeding ish to conny stallion to get a dun or buckskin. You rarely see a traditional ish on irish sports passports . There is also a lot of full ID passported as ish because it’s cheaper. Irish sport horse is literally turning into just one big crossbreed of horse . I do think a lot of breeders have stopped breeding for ID because they are getting more money for Warmblood.

 

[Auslander]

As someone who lives in Ireland your most average Irish sport horse has warmblood Tb and ID mixed altogether. A lot of people are breeding ish to conny stallion to get a dun or buckskin. You rarely see a traditional ish on irish sports passports . There is also a lot of full ID passported as ish because it’s cheaper. Irish sport horse is literally turning into just one big crossbreed of horse . I do think a lot of breeders have stopped breeding for ID because they are getting more money for Warmblood.

That the whole idea of the Irish Sports Horse, surely? Introducing TB/WB blood to refine the ID and create a modern sports horse.

 

[anguscat]

I bought one for all these reasons - never owned a less sound, less rideable horse in my life… i think i must’ve hit the friday afternoon version.?

Oh dear ?

 

[spacefaer]

That the whole idea of the Irish Sports Horse, surely? Introducing TB/WB blood to refine the ID and create a modern sports horse.

We've just bought an ISH - (new horse alert!) - I'm excited to see how he turns out. He's by a half bred, out of a half bred - officially he's 46% TB. All i can say at the moment is that he's got ID bone and a TB coat! Oh and he's not grey ???

 

[tristar]

it takes about 30 years to ``refine`` the warmblood x ID thing down to something predictable and dare i say it, respectable

crossing two draughty, carty origin ``breeds`` is gonna give a mucky picture for a while, and the poor beggers will come out with heads like buckets, short necks and assorted ailments bought to the table, by both parties, no doubt due to some extent by the dubious lack of verified origins shown in some even recent as 3 to 4 generations ago

perhaps the crossing of the id x tb success is partly due to the more predictable influence of the more streamlined genes of the tb, giving it the ability to upgrade almost anything it is crossed with

 

[anguscat]

On the ‘which way’ issue. Personally I’d use an ID stallion on a nice TB mare: good limbs, small, deep bodied and that fits a square (think Double Trigger looks-wise). Why? What I’ve done successfully before. I’d find it easier to find a TB mare I liked than an ID mare. I believe mares teach a foal a way of moving. Finally a TB will have less impact on my ground than a heavy ID mare.

 

[GrumpyHero]

I've just bought a lovely 4yo ISH (TIH) her pedigree is mainly ID, she has 11.7% TB blood.
Her dam is ISH, who was sired by an ID out of another ISH.
I'm very pleased with her so far she has a lovely temperament and a nice fine head.

She is grey though

 

[LegOn]

RDS Dublin Horse Show has actually just added a TIH working hunter class to the schedule for this year which is brilliant! So if anyone wants to buy one, it would be a good place to start looking as usually there is a proportion of them up for sale!

 

[GSD Woman]

Is it possible to see the show on YouTube? A trip to Ireland isn't possible any time soon, if ever.

 

[LegOn]

Is it possible to see the show on YouTube? A trip to Ireland isn't possible any time soon, if ever.

I'm not sure actually, they might release details closer to the time but there are businesses over here that will view horses for you, take videos etc and help you source what you are looking for. There is one on Facebook - https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100062782573843