Irresponsible Owners
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CorvusCorax
'It's only a laugh, no harm done'
Tonight's rude twunts were a young couple dry humping each other on the path who ignored me asking 'HAVE YOU GOT A DOG?' (weird outline in the gloom so I couldn't tell) and a bloke on a bike who wizzed past me, having sat my dog off to the side and allowed him to pass, so he got my favourite YOU'RE WELCOME.
ArklePig
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That's a mad rule! I think I like it though.
If it helps, mine recalled beautifully the other day. To a random man shouting 'Lolalola LOLA'. I did not consider the amount of Lolas when I gave her a name that rhymed with it
ArklePig
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Can't believe I spent £££ on a behaviourist for my dogs incessant humping when humans are just out there doing it in public. Perhaps they too, cannot contain their anxiety?
ArklePig
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Sorry @Titchy Pony I have another question re the Lettering. What happens if you ignore the rule, if you bring your puppy to the vet and say this is Trooper do they look all aghast and say 
this is a U year! Do ye have dog licences and their name is on that? Is it common for dogs to officially called Ulysses on paper work and be called something else at home? Sorry for the incessant questioning I'm just interested in how other dogs seem to manage dog related legislation because we tend to make such a hames of it.
If I lived in France I'd only be able to get a dog in certain years as Mr AP will only tolerate Irish names so they 'don't feel left out' and we're missing quite a few letters from our alphabet.
Wish I was as interested in some of the law I'm currently supposed to be studying
this is a U year! Do ye have dog licences and their name is on that? Is it common for dogs to officially called Ulysses on paper work and be called something else at home? Sorry for the incessant questioning I'm just interested in how other dogs seem to manage dog related legislation because we tend to make such a hames of it.If I lived in France I'd only be able to get a dog in certain years as Mr AP will only tolerate Irish names so they 'don't feel left out' and we're missing quite a few letters from our alphabet.
Wish I was as interested in some of the law I'm currently supposed to be studying
Titchy Reindeer
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Well if you want to pop over... There's at least 2 Ulysses at dog club (a dish mop and a border collie type). We have two ponies named that at the riding school and you could probably shout them because they've both been quite excitable lately with a few ditched riders. And I know at least one other dog, horse and even a human with that name!
Titchy Reindeer
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So the lettering is mandatory for registered pedigree dogs (we'd call them LOF "Livre des origines françaises" - book of french origines) though many people follow it for their non registered puppies as well. But even for a registered puppy / dog you can have a "usage" name. So my puppy has a grand name starting with U: US Onlyone Statue of Liberty which I have shortened to Liberty, which is what she is known by at the vets for example. Her "usage" name is even printed on her papers, though at the minute, she's answering to Pretzel (don't ask!).Sorry @Titchy Pony I have another question re the Lettering. What happens if you ignore the rule, if you bring your puppy to the vet and say this is Trooper do they look all aghast and say
If I lived in France I'd only be able to get a dog in certain years as Mr AP will only tolerate Irish names so they 'don't feel left out' and we're missing quite a few letters from our alphabet.
Wish I was as interested in some of the law I'm currently supposed to be studying
Some letters are skipped out, so for dogs and cats they missed "Q" this time round, though I'm sure it was there last time and was definitely there for horses. "W", "X", "Y" and "Z" are also missed out. So 2024 is "V" year for dogs and cats, but 2025 will be "A" year for dogs and cats.
As an aside, for horses, we're in the "O" year and I'm annoyed I'm going to have to find a name in "P" if I get Little Madam in foal. For horses you can't register them in the stud book if their name doesn't start by the correct letter with exceptions for TBs, Anglo Arabs, most American breeds (quarter horses, etc) and I think welsh.
The lettering system leads to some interesting spelling and also means that breeders used suffixes instead of prefixes here. So most animals have a "surname". Horses don't tend to have stable names, they just go by their "first name" and sometimes have a nickname. So say you have a horse called "Ophelia du Bois" (invented name), she would most probably be called "Ophelia" day to day and perhaps "Fifi" for friends.
Overall for both dogs and horses, the French are big on paperwork. Everything is centralised so only Icad can deliver an owner certificate for your carnivore (dog, cat, ferret) and only IFCE can deliver a passport and owner certificate for your equine or camelid. Everything is supposed to be chipped and you can't get a certificate or passport without a chip number. So no chips means no competitions of any sort and no registered breeding, no access to campsites or hotels if they're doing their checks correctly and a lot more trouble if your dog bites someone (they will most likely ask for proof of vaccination and you won't have a passport which contains that proof if your dog isn't chipped).
There are no dog licences as such except for "categorised breeds of dogs" which include rottweilers and american staffordshire terriers if I recall correctly, plus a couple of other breeds (the idea was good but I think the breeds selected were political - rumor has it that dogo argentino were not categorised because someone in power owned one at the time the law was passed). To own or be in charge of these breeds, you need to be over 18yo, have passed a test, declared the dog at your mairie, have special insurance (for other types of dogs, nearly everyone would have third party insurance included with their house insurance) and the dog must be on a short lead and muzzled in public from the age of 6 to 8 months. The dogs are allowed to compete, but must be muzzled to and from the ring if I understand correctly. The rules apply to crosses of these breeds as well and I think there may be extra rules for cross breeds to discourage cross breeding.
I've heard of people who got categorised dogs without the exam and the dogs were taken away and inpounded until the owner sorted out all his paper work (he was in a bit of a hurry to get his exam).
As an aside I'd love to see you explaining the spelling of an Irish name to the French, they would be so confused (I'm bad enough and have to find pronunciations online).
ArklePig
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Thank you so much Titchy for the very informative post! You gave me a lot more than Google did. That's really interesting. I love the idea of an animal having a surname 
MILs cat is called Mr McGrath but unfortunately he has no first name 
I've been there with the French and my name... exhausting for all of us!
MILs cat is called Mr McGrath but unfortunately he has no first name I've been there with the French and my name... exhausting for all of us!
GSD Woman
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My newest pet visit client has a 4 month old Bernerdoodle, yes, you read that correctly. The dog is starting to hump her leg and chew on her Uggs. I told her not let him jump on her at all but she taught him hug and doesn't want to stop doing that.
cauda equina
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The good things about P names is the P can be silent as in Ptolemy and Psmith (PG Wodehouse)
Titchy Reindeer
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Unfortunately, those Ps would be pronounced in French...
I could always mangle a word beginning in "F" and write it "Ph", but I'm averse to misspelling...
Titchy Reindeer
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How big will a bernerdoodle get? I'm not sure I'd want a full sized one giving me a "hug". I'd probably end up in A&E.
Titchy Reindeer
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Both my horses and one of my dogs have a "surname". Only Little Madam's gets used with any regularity, and that's for competing.Thank you so much Titchy for the very informative post! You gave me a lot more than Google did. That's really interesting. I love the idea of an animal having a surname
I've been there with the French and my name... exhausting for all of us!
When sorting out Liberty's papers, I found out Monster's were not up to date. He doesn't get a "birth name" because he comes from a rescue centre and despite having two names in his passport (one given by the rescue and one by his previous owner) neither were entered online. He also wasn't declared as castrated. But I did have an owner's card because he is chipped. I'd never really looked, his previous owner did the paper work for changing owner. But I'm happy to say he's all up to date now.
I sympathise about the name, mine isn't that complicated and still gets misspelled by people I've know for 20 years over here!
MurphysMinder
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They seem to be quite popular your side of the pond. My son is in Canada and used to live next door to 2 Bernerdoodles, they really proved the point about designer crosses as one would have passed as a Bernese with a slightly wiry coat and the other was pure poodle. They used to bark aggressively at the adjoining fence all day but he felt sorry for them as they never seemed to get any walks.
Christmascinnamoncookie
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Last time I was in France, we gave the students free time and sloped off to a café for a rest. There was a young couple who hid themselves behind a bookshelf and I swear they were actually at it! We used to joke when living in Spain that in 20 years, having sex publicly would be completely normal.
GSD Woman
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This is supposed to be "mini" bernerdoodle. I also walk/train a littermate. All I can say is these puppies are already larger than mini poodles. The puppies are 4 months old right now. Hugging will not be fun.
MurphysMinder
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A friend and I took our 2 GSDs to a local NT property yesterday . As it was actually a nice day, and it is snowdrop season, it was really busy with loads of dogs. Most were pretty well behaved, but there were loads of little fluffy things on flexi leads approaching people and dogs with gay abandon and generally being a nuisance. Then there was the little terrier type raging on the end of its lead at us, apparently her problem was she loved all dogs and just wanted to play. So many non dogs owners complimented us on how good our guys were, which was nice. It was good to see a Cane Corso pup of about 6 months old whose owner worked really hard to keep his focus as we passed, hopefully one of the responsible ones. Also a lady with a malamute and what looked like a Saarloos which was muzzled but walked past us again focussing totally on it's owner. Perhaps these folks could give some tips to the owners of all the little fluffies.
The Xmas Furry
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Oy, dont tar us 'little fluffies' owners with the same brush!
Mine is 4.5 months, behaves beautifully much of the time when out, yes we are on a flexi lead when not at yard/home as recall isnt 100% quite yet. Its locked on short when near other dogs, some of us are responsible....
Unlike the retriever owner I met this morning who didn't call his 2 thugs back and then got stroppy with me when I booted one quite hard for trying to tip my 3.3kg pup over! Argh!
CorvusCorax
'It's only a laugh, no harm done'
Oy, dont tar us 'little fluffies' owners with the same brush!
Mine is 4.5 months, behaves beautifully much of the time when out, yes we are on a flexi lead when not at yard/home as recall isnt 100% quite yet. Its locked on short when near other dogs, some of us are responsible....
Unlike the retriever owner I met this morning who didn't call his 2 thugs back and then got stroppy with me when I booted one quite hard for trying to tip my 3.3kg pup over! Argh!
Baby me and teenaged me were not the same person
(I'm sure it'll be grand!)
Teaselmeg
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MurphysMinder
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Sorry , I meant all the fluffies we encountered yesterday, though sadly people with little dogs are usually the worst offenders with flexis wherever I go. I've got 2 little uns too, but my biggest problem with them is if a large thug dog tried to tip them over they would probably nail itOy, dont tar us 'little fluffies' owners with the same brush!
Mine is 4.5 months, behaves beautifully much of the time when out, yes we are on a flexi lead when not at yard/home as recall isnt 100% quite yet. Its locked on short when near other dogs, some of us are responsible....
Unlike the retriever owner I met this morning who didn't call his 2 thugs back and then got stroppy with me when I booted one quite hard for trying to tip my 3.3kg pup over! Argh!
, hence they are always on short leads. If people reel flexis in then that is fine, although I've heard of too many cases of triggers snapping. I use a flexi on one of my little ones if we are in open fields but anywhere near traffic or other dogs he goes on to an ordinary lead.
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blackcob
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My little fluffy is an arsehole, so fair dos.
I had been contemplating that NT walk MM for next phase but might give it a miss until the spring flowers are over. I need busy but not heaving! The town park is old hat now, even when being borked and lunged at by a floofy baby GSD (it was about 6 months old, one sympathises
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I had been contemplating that NT walk MM for next phase but might give it a miss until the spring flowers are over. I need busy but not heaving! The town park is old hat now, even when being borked and lunged at by a floofy baby GSD (it was about 6 months old, one sympathises
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MurphysMinder
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It was heaving, particularly challenging going through the archway from the courtyard, where both going out and in there were dogs sniffing one side while owner was the other. It was ok once we got out into the deer park , lots of photo opportunities.My little fluffy is an arsehole, so fair dos.
I had been contemplating that NT walk MM for next phase but might give it a miss until the spring flowers are over. I need busy but not heaving! The town park is old hat now, even when being borked and lunged at by a floofy baby GSD (it was about 6 months old, one sympathises
Errin Paddywack
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Was that Batsford by any chance? My sister was there yesterday and commented on how many dogs there were, including people with multiple little dogs.
MurphysMinder
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No, Attingham near Shrewsury. I think it was the combination of the snowdrops and the fact it was the only decent day weatherwise this week
Errin Paddywack
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It was the same for Batsford then, snowdrops and only decent day.
Maddie Moo
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P3LH
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Signs on every lamppost, every gate way and every front garden fence on the path leading to our local lake. All warning the swans are currently highly aggressive and there have been multiple incidents. Give distance, keep dogs on lead, don’t go too close with pushchairs etc. A mix of the breeding season and the fact they hatched their signets last year much later (believed due to seasonable shift/issues) who are also very much still with them. So what do I see yesterday?
Incident a) As around thirteen of them lounged around in the sun, a lady dispatching her three small children and two border terriers into the middle for a photo shoot. Thankfully no injuries but the entire family fled screaming and were chased back up to the end of the footpath back to where suburbia begins.
Incident b) a man with a large cane corso/mastiff type off lead, chatting on his phone as the dog dove in and out of the swans - owner didn’t even bat an eyelid when there was mass crashing of wings and hissing. Same swans drowned two dogs at the same time last year.
I cannot explain how plentiful the signage is, or how explicit it is, even giving bullet point suggestions of should your paths cross with them because it’s unavoidable - what to do to stay safe.
The argument:theory of survival of the fittest is really really weakened in the modern world.
Incident a) As around thirteen of them lounged around in the sun, a lady dispatching her three small children and two border terriers into the middle for a photo shoot. Thankfully no injuries but the entire family fled screaming and were chased back up to the end of the footpath back to where suburbia begins.
Incident b) a man with a large cane corso/mastiff type off lead, chatting on his phone as the dog dove in and out of the swans - owner didn’t even bat an eyelid when there was mass crashing of wings and hissing. Same swans drowned two dogs at the same time last year.
I cannot explain how plentiful the signage is, or how explicit it is, even giving bullet point suggestions of should your paths cross with them because it’s unavoidable - what to do to stay safe.
The argument:theory of survival of the fittest is really really weakened in the modern world.
P3LH
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This happened at a farm near us in November. The footpath runs at the edge of a field and is fenced off so there is literally no excuse. There were still lumps of flesh, fist sized and identifiable, and patches of skin/hide weeks after. The owners argument was ‘they’ve always come back before’ so hadn’t worried when the dogs had dipped under the fence and deviated from the footpath.
skinnydipper
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You would think that with the recent ban XL bully owners would be taking extra care with their dogs. Nope
One was found wandering in town yesterday No lead, muzzle or owner. Some kind soul took it in and posted on Facebook.
Reunited with owner following the post and photo.
One was found wandering in town yesterday No lead, muzzle or owner. Some kind soul took it in and posted on Facebook.
Reunited with owner following the post and photo.