Irresponsible Owners

[Keith_Beef]

Today in the papers, a terribly sad hunting story.

A group of 7 hunters cornered a herd of wild boards in the forest, the wild boards took refuge into some thorns and
the dogs couldn't go in there, much too thick.

One of the hunter did shoot to scare them off, which is totally fobidden. You are not supposed to shoot without really knowing what you shooting at....

One wild board came out and another hunter aimed at him but missed and shot his friend instead.

The man is dead...

The police checked them for alcool but they were sober.

Stories like that happen often here, when the hunting season open, many cats go missing, last year, a hunter shot a horse thinking it was a deer....

Two years ago, they shot a Bernese Mountain dog thinking it was a fox....

Hopefully, they will change the law and make it more difficult to get a hunting licence or stop hunting altogether.....

Very sad, more so because such accidents are so very easy to prevent.

But at the same time, the boar population can easily get out of control, then you have farmers angry that their fences are being broken and their crops uprooted, and you have cars colliding at 90kph or 110kph with 150kg to 200kg boar... the car is a write-off and the driver and passenger possibly dead.

The local authority periodically organises a cull in the Forêt de Saint-Germain because hunting isn't sufficient to keep the population in check. Hunt days need authorisation from the local authority and the dates are published so that ramblers and horse riders know about them.

 

[skinnydipper]

Lovely gentle doggy.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1863319659652534660

The comments, OMG.

"Not scary at all. Its actually beautiful to see.
That baby will have an amazing friend and guardian"


and 5.2K


There is absolutely no fecking hope.

 

[skinnydipper]

 

[Goldenstar]

OMG that makes me feel sick .

 

[CorvusCorax]

The comments, OMG.

"Not scary at all. Its actually beautiful to see.
That baby will have an amazing friend and guardian"


and 5.2K


There is absolutely no fecking hope.

There will be a lot of bots/automated replies and reactions on a blue tick account. Facebook is getting the same way (see all the insane comments on AI slop)

 

[skinnydipper]

deleted - not relevant

 

[ester]

There will be a lot of bots/automated replies and reactions on a blue tick account. Facebook is getting the same way (see all the insane comments on AI slop)

The account itself I think is engagement farming too

 

[CorvusCorax]

The account itself I think is engagement farming too

Yep.

 

[ester]

Video 2nd comment in thread

https://twitter.com/x/status/1863915791831236985

 

[skinnydipper]

...

 

[Clodagh]

I can’t read the comments (I don’t think) I’m not on X.

 

[ester]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1863951564588654828

 

[maisie06]

The comments, OMG.

"Not scary at all. Its actually beautiful to see.
That baby will have an amazing friend and guardian"


and 5.2K


There is absolutely no fecking hope.

These people need prosecuting for child neglect..

 

[Jenko109]

Pitbull maternity photoshoot.

 

[SaddlePsych'D]

Not had one of these for a while but I thought we were properly going to be attacked by a big Lab on Friday. Group of four of them and three recalled to be put on leads but this one didn't and stood up the track barking at us with his hackles up. It was staring hard at us and I thought we were in real trouble as the person with it was much further up the track. Finally they did get it back and put it on a lead. It was actually still scary passing them as wide as I possibly could with now all four of the Labs barking and lunging at us. She came out with something about 'the naughty one' not being hers and I just went 'oo that's a bit intimidating actually' as the dogs were going off at us. I wish I had been more assertive about it but was genuinely frightened and wanting to just safely get past.

Turned around not much further along to see they were all straight back off their leads!

 

[Asha]

We had a bit of a to do the other day. A local chaps dogs got out on Friday afternoon. As i was coming home i saw one of them in my field, it was Friday evening, as we all know it was absolutely bucketing it down. Poor dog was distressed, cold , muddy and shivering. Managed to catch him and lead him into my tack room. Put all the heaters on and wrapped the dog up in fleeces. Gave a warm drink and some food. Tried to get hold of the chap ( a neighbour had his landline) no answer, left message etc etc. A friend of mine went knocking on the door to let them know. Met by a very stern lady who was aware he was out. An hour later chap rings me up, to say he will collect but will be about an hour. Turns out he was in the pub. An hour later still nothing, so my husband calls and basically tells him in no uncertain terms to come an collect. I was fuming, the dog by now had started to dry out and we could see his fur was matted in places, and he had old cuts on his legs plus very lame. Chap turns up at 7.30pm. Knowing full well his dog had been missing since at least 2pm. His excuse was he knew he was being cared for. I told him he needed to take him to the vets. Then what happens yesterday.. dogs are out again and spotted running up a main A road. So, these dogs have been out at least 3 times in one week.

 

[CorvusCorax]

Pitbull maternity photoshoot.


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This was taken in America, don't really see the relevance.

 

[Jenko109]

This was taken in America, don't really see the relevance.

I didnt realise this was only for the UK. A few people have posted from different countries about experiences outside of the UK.

I didn't think glamourising breeding from a breed which fills pounds and shelters was particularly responsible.

 

[MurphysMinder]

We had a bit of a to do the other day. A local chaps dogs got out on Friday afternoon. As i was coming home i saw one of them in my field, it was Friday evening, as we all know it was absolutely bucketing it down. Poor dog was distressed, cold , muddy and shivering. Managed to catch him and lead him into my tack room. Put all the heaters on and wrapped the dog up in fleeces. Gave a warm drink and some food. Tried to get hold of the chap ( a neighbour had his landline) no answer, left message etc etc. A friend of mine went knocking on the door to let them know. Met by a very stern lady who was aware he was out. An hour later chap rings me up, to say he will collect but will be about an hour. Turns out he was in the pub. An hour later still nothing, so my husband calls and basically tells him in no uncertain terms to come an collect. I was fuming, the dog by now had started to dry out and we could see his fur was matted in places, and he had old cuts on his legs plus very lame. Chap turns up at 7.30pm. Knowing full well his dog had been missing since at least 2pm. His excuse was he knew he was being cared for. I told him he needed to take him to the vets. Then what happens yesterday.. dogs are out again and spotted running up a main A road. So, these dogs have been out at least 3 times in one week.

If you catch one again I would call the dog warden. Maybe having to pay a recovery fee will focus the owners mind a bit.

 

[Asha]

If you catch one again I would call the dog warden. Maybe having to pay a recovery fee will focus the owners mind a bit.

Absolutely, or will drop him off at the vets. Would really like him to see a vet

 

[stangs]

I didnt realise this was only for the UK. A few people have posted from different countries about experiences outside of the UK.

I didn't think glamourising breeding from a breed which fills pounds and shelters was particularly responsible.

If someone wants a pitbull* and doesn't have enough dog experience to feel comfortable with a rescue shitbull of unknown history and breeding, why shouldn't there be people out there breeding healthy and stable pitbulls for them? Not that I get particularly good vibes from someone who does a maternity shoot with a cropped-ear dog but, if someone wants to work on improving their breed, what's wrong with that? Puppies from reputable breeders aren't usually the ones winding up in pounds.

Any other breed and people on here would be saying that there's nothing wrong with buying from a reputable breeder, that things aren't as simple as "adopt don't shop", but as soon as it's a pitbull...

*Obviously talking about people in countries where pitbulls are legal. Like the US. Where the original post was from.

 

[SaddlePsych'D]

If someone wants a pitbull and doesn't have enough dog experience to feel comfortable with a rescue shitbull of unknown history and breeding, why shouldn't there be people out there breeding healthy and stable pitbulls for them? Not that I get particularly good vibes from someone who does a maternity shoot with a cropped-ear dog but, if someone wants to work on improving their breed, what's wrong with that? Puppies from reputable breeders aren't usually the ones winding up in pounds.

Any other breed and people on here would be saying that there's nothing wrong with buying from a reputable breeder, that things aren't as simple as "adopt don't shop", but as soon as it's a pitbull...

I would guess that would in part be because they are a banned breed in this country so the bit about buying from a reputable breeders doesn't really apply.

Even if not banned, there are lots of breeds where even if they come from a reputable breeder they aren't really family pets just by nature of their sheer size and the traits of the breed (I'm thinking LSG types for example).

 

[stangs]

I would guess that would in part be because they are a banned breed in this country so the bit about buying from a reputable breeders doesn't really apply.

Even if not banned, there are lots of breeds where even if they come from a reputable breeder they aren't really family pets just by nature of their sheer size and the traits of the breed (I'm thinking LSG types for example).

Thought it was obvious that I was talking about breeders in countries where pitbulls are legal but I've amended my post given that it apparently wasn't.

Anyway, LGDs are a great example. They too often appear in rescues. So according to Jenko109's logic, it's irresponsible to breed LGDs and anyone who wants to entrust their livestock's lives in the hands of a dog should pick up some dodgy Alabai-GP-Kangal cross from the local pound and not go to a reputable breeder who can tell them everything they need to know about the suitability of a particular puppy for the job.

I'm really struggling to understand the logic here. Do we just ban people from breeding good quality dogs to do jobs - even if that job, in the case of the pitbull in Post 4304, might just be being stable enough to be a family dog - because there are sh*tty equivalents in the local pound?

 

[skinnydipper]

We've seen Dave Wilson's attempt at breeding a 'docile' pitbull type - the XL bully. Wasn't that supposed to a breed improvement?

 

[SaddlePsych'D]

Thought it was obvious that I was talking about breeders in countries where pitbulls are legal but I've amended my post given that it apparently wasn't.

Anyway, LGDs are a great example. They too often appear in rescues. So according to Jenko109's logic, it's irresponsible to breed LGDs and anyone who wants to entrust their livestock's lives in the hands of a dog should pick up some dodgy Alabai-GP-Kangal cross from the local pound and not go to a reputable breeder who can tell them everything they need to know about the suitability of a particular puppy for the job.

I'm really struggling to understand the logic here. Do we just ban people from breeding good quality dogs to do jobs - even if that job, in the case of the pitbull in Post 4304, might just be being stable enough to be a family dog - because there are sh*tty equivalents in the local pound?

I was addressing the bit about why on here specifically we probably wouldn't start talking about reputable Pitbull breeding, when we're mainly posting from countries from where they are a banned breed.

Someone needing a LSG to do a LSG job in a LSG home should absolutely look for a well bred one from a reputable breeder. But why breed more for pet homes when they would be so patently inappropriate for this, hence ending up in the rescues (I assume when it goes wrong, it goes really wrong).

As an aside, I think a maternity shoot for any dog is a bit much.

 

[Jenko109]

So according to Jenko109's logic, it's irresponsible to breed LGDs and anyone who wants to entrust their livestock's lives in the hands of a dog should pick up some dodgy Alabai-GP-Kangal cross from the local pound and not go to a reputable breeder who can tell them everything they need to know about the suitability of a particular puppy for the job.

I'm really struggling to understand the logic here. Do we just ban people from breeding good quality dogs to do jobs - even if that job, in the case of the pitbull in Post 4304, might just be being stable enough to be a family dog - because there are sh*tty equivalents in the local pound?

My post purely relates to pitbulls. I have made no reference to other breeds. I have no opinion on if or where someone should get a LGD as I do not know anything about them. You're putting words in my mouth.

A pitbull from my understanding, has no recognition as an actual breed. As such, I am unsure how anyone could be sure that they are obtaining a good quality dog. You could not confidently conclude parentage, COI, relevance or legitimacy of any supposed health testing.

I personally do not think the pitbull should ever be considered a family dog. I do not feel they are suited to society.

I've made no reference to people breeding good quality dogs. A pitbull is not a good quality dog. It's a weapon.

I have also not indicated that someone should take on a rescue pitbull. I would prefer to see mass euthanasia than risk them being placed in family homes.

I said what I said.

 

[CorvusCorax]

As far as I am aware, the dog was handed in to a rescue in the USA - where they are not banned outright everywhere, and are a pretty established breed, being already pregnant - and they did a ditzy photoshoot to make themselves feel all warm and fuzzy inside. But am happy to be proven wrong.

It's not something I like/would do/agree with, I just struggled this morning with what it had to do with a thread which is mostly about twonks who let their dogs run free and annoy other people/their dogs/livestock.

 

[Jenko109]

I just struggled this morning with what it had to do with a thread which is mostly about twonks who let their dogs run free and annoy other people/their dogs/livestock.

I get it.

I ruined the ambience.

Now everyone is in a state of disrepair.

 

[Asha]

well, the dogs have got out again. I did my bit and went to see if i could find them, no joy. I hope they are ok.

 

[Smitty]

Well, back in the summer, deep in the Somerset countryside, I arrived at a field, sort of kidney shaped and couldn't see round the bend, probably about 40 acres, stopped car and let dog out. He tore off like a greyhound out of a trap as he remembered this field as somewhere we go every year for an all night camping party. He loves a party.

I arrived probably 10 mins after he did. I was lugging stuff and he wasn't and found him being cuddled by a friend who said he had had a brief snap at her dog and she had backed off .

A bit later our host, or the friend of ours a farmer who had lent us the field, turned with his patterdale. Quick scrap, I yelled oy and then they were best of friends. Thought I ought to tell host who was very 'And?'.

We both mingled and this year, to his disgust, and I had to put him on a lead to drag him away, we left about 9.00pm.

Now, that is irresponsible