Irresponsible Owners

I'm Dun said:
Its not fun when you spend your life checking for deer. The countryside is overrun with them.
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Yep, I can second that. The roe deer are out to get me. If they're not enticing my dogs away, they are jumping out in front of the car or rustling through the undergrowth to spook the horses. I think they're currently just in front of pheasants on my list of murder-suicide animals at the moment.*

*list subject to regular and unplanned updates
 
sarah.oxford said:
Just been told that a springer spaniel was killed by a cane corso not far from where I live.
I hate that I rent out private fields for my dogs but honestly, I don't feel safe anymore 😞
That poor dog.
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If cane corsos are a concern, wait til you meet a Pakistani Mastiff - aka ‘bully kutta’ - size of a donkey, with cropped ears and obligatory spiked collar, weaponised horror breed according to Dogs Officer.
You’ll be shocked: think heavy Great Dane with full fighting dog attributes.
 
This was irresponsible but actually the poor man was so upset. I was driving home from mums, very rural single track lane with banks. Saw something very small trotting along at the bottom of the bank. A ferret? A kitten? Got closer and it was a tiny puppy. I parked and called her and she was gorgeous, so cute. I put her on my lap and reversed the couple of hundred meters back to the last property. Went in, no sign of life. Walked around shouting (cute as she was I have no desire for a puppy before I have to!). Found an older man in an outbuilding and she was his. He cried. He hadn’t known she was missing, he’d only had her a week and she’d got out under his gate. She’s a dachshund x jrt.
So all good and I doubt he’ll lose track of her again.
 
Exasperated said:
If cane corsos are a concern, wait til you meet a Pakistani Mastiff - aka ‘bully kutta’ - size of a donkey, with cropped ears and obligatory spiked collar, weaponised horror breed according to Dogs Officer.
You’ll be shocked: think heavy Great Dane with full
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Something else to worry about 🙁
sarah.oxford said:
Just been told that a springer spaniel was killed by a cane corso not far from where I live.
I hate that I rent out private fields for my dogs but honestly, I don't feel safe anymore 😞
That poor dog.
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Poor dog, owner and it's connections. I hope the CC and it's owner have been dealt with.
 
Exasperated said:
If cane corsos are a concern, wait til you meet a Pakistani Mastiff - aka ‘bully kutta’ - size of a donkey, with cropped ears and obligatory spiked collar, weaponised horror breed according to Dogs Officer.
You’ll be shocked: think heavy Great Dane with full fighting dog attributes.
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I mean, there are a few other breeds to be concerned about in addition to the Cane Corso.

The problem with the CC (and lots of other breeds/dogs) is that they end up in the hands of someone that would be much better suited to own a plush toy dog, and not an actual live dog.
 
CanteringCarrot said:
I mean, there are a few other breeds to be concerned about in addition to the Cane Corso.

The problem with the CC (and lots of other breeds/dogs) is that they end up in the hands of someone that would be much better suited to own a plush toy dog, and not an actual live dog.
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Nobody should own one, I can’t think of a single justification for anyone.
 
Exasperated said:
If cane corsos are a concern, wait til you meet a Pakistani Mastiff - aka ‘bully kutta’ - size of a donkey, with cropped ears and obligatory spiked collar, weaponised horror breed according to Dogs Officer.
You’ll be shocked: think heavy Great Dane with full fighting dog attributes.
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The bully kuttas I knew were really nice dogs, just lounged around the place keeping an eye out on the kids when they were outside. Proper guard dogs - stable and trustworthy and looked after every inch of their owner's grounds. I know a fellow now who has one living in an urban area and, again, it's a nice dog and very stable, copes better with city life than most dogs could.

The problem with them, as is the problem with many mastiffs, is that certain types of (predominately) young men want them as status symbols, and occasionally for dog fighting, and then you get people breeding for size and intimidation factor over stability, which results in a sh*t quality dog who can't be trusted as a true guard dog and who certainly can't cut it as a catch dog, which is what they used to be used for back in the day. But, that's not the breed's fault. That's people to blame.

(P.S. "Pakistani" mastiff is debatable. As with anything from Punjab, Indian Punjabis call them Indian and Pakistani Punjabis call them Pakistani.)
 
CanteringCarrot said:
I mean, there are a few other breeds to be concerned about in addition to the Cane Corso.

The problem with the CC (and lots of other breeds/dogs) is that they end up in the hands of someone that would be much better suited to own a plush toy dog, and not an actual live dog.
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Yes, this Pakistan mastiff was running loose, during half term, and reported because people were genuinely frightened, altho not actually done any damage.
No chip, no info on the collar and no one prepared to admit they know the owners.
Dogs Officer says they are mostly owned by east European community, not Pakistanis or Indians.
It is huge, a seriously dangerous creature, out on the streets or in someone’s home!😧😧
 
stangs said:
The bully kuttas I knew were really nice dogs, just lounged around the place keeping an eye out on the kids when they were outside. Proper guard dogs - stable and trustworthy and looked after every inch of their owner's grounds. I know a fellow now who has one living in an urban area and, again, it's a nice dog and very stable, copes better with city life than most dogs could.

The problem with them, as is the problem with many mastiffs, is that certain types of (predominately) young men want them as status symbols, and occasionally for dog fighting, and then you get people breeding for size and intimidation factor over stability, which results in a sh*t quality dog who can't be trusted as a true guard dog and who certainly can't cut it as a catch dog, which is what they used to be used for back in the day. But, that's not the breed's fault. That's people to blame.

(P.S. "Pakistani" mastiff is debatable. As with anything from Punjab, Indian Punjabis call them Indian and Pakistani Punjabis call them Pakistani.)
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Well, I don’t know anything about how suitable they are guarding estates in the Punjab, only ever come across this one, but my absolute conviction (ok, influenced by Dogs Officer) is they are entirely inappropriate for modern British life.
Of course they are going to be misbred, misused and demonised - they are exceptionally large, powerful and intimidating, perfect for that kind of subculture.
And of course they are going to be impounded and euthanised, and tbh, I wouldn’t weep hot tears.
 
Exasperated said:
Well, I don’t know anything about how suitable they are guarding estates in the Punjab, only ever come across this one, but my absolute conviction (ok, influenced by Dogs Officer) is they are entirely inappropriate for modern British life.
Of course they are going to be misbred, misused and demonised - they are exceptionally large, powerful and intimidating, perfect for that kind of subculture.
And of course they are going to be impounded and euthanised, and tbh, I wouldn’t weep hot tears.
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Quick google and their temperament is described as aggressive. There is no need for anyone to have a dog like that.
 
stangs said:
Oh so we're using Google and videos that can't even find pictures of the right dog breed as our sources... Good to know.
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I dont need to do anymore. There is no need for anyone to own that breed of dog, its that simple. These arent pets.

And tbh the idiots who will want these dogs will do exactly what I've just done, a 30second google search, see they are huge, aggressive and reactive and go off to buy one.
 
CanteringCarrot said:
I mean, there are a few other breeds to be concerned about in addition to the Cane Corso.

The problem with the CC (and lots of other breeds/dogs) is that they end up in the hands of someone that would be much better suited to own a plush toy dog, and not an actual live dog
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Sometimes I wonder if they would be safer with a gun.
 
My Facebook feed comes up with dogs a lot, yesterday I seemed to be on some sort of bully breeding group! A bloke had a pup in his avatar with full ears and as he was interested in pairing it with some heavyweight monster, he posted the pic of it as a pup and full grown, but this time showing cropped ears. Nobody mentioned that, it was all what a beast and so on.
 
Smitty said:
Sometimes I wonder if they would be safer with a gun.
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Truth be told, I’m not too worried about the safety of someone who owns a dog like that, nor really their immediate families, altho that might seem harsh.
But for absolute certainty, the general public, other dogs, pets, wildlife and stock would be FAR safer if the Neanderthals merely owned a gun.
 
CanteringCarrot said:
I've not seen a Cane Corso shoot up a school or otherwise commit a mass shooting/murder on that scale, but that's just me. Granted, those are "American problems."
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They have attacked and killed people though. The people who want these dogs as protection/attack dogs arent the sort that commit mass shootings. They are petty criminals much more likely to shoot each other. They are very different to the people who go into schools to shoot everyone. Not saying they are better or worse, but they are different.
 
I'm Dun said:
They have attacked and killed people though. The people who want these dogs as protection/attack dogs arent the sort that commit mass shootings. They are petty criminals much more likely to shoot each other. They are very different to the people who go into schools to shoot everyone. Not saying they are better or worse, but they are different.
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I'm not in denial that they've killed people, because they have. I guess I'm just not optimistic enough to assume that dirtbags will only shoot other dirtbags.

If you give someone of that nature a gun, do you truly know what they'll do with it? Maybe statistically so, but my point is that they can do far more damage with a gun than a dog, typically. Whether or not they will, is the variable.

Granted, your odds in the UK are much better than where I live, I think.
 
To be clear, I don't support people having protection and attack dogs for macho purposes. I don't mind if someone has a protection dog for some purposes though. There are some types or breeds that I wouldn't touch with a barge pole, and I think are more suited for attack rather than protection. I'm not into any of that.

That and a true protection dog requires a lot of excellent training, IMO.
 
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