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Some show dog handlers do that. But it is almost always on private property and the handler is on an ATV. Very different from roadwork on the actual road.

Our old dog's breeder, very successful in showing, used to drive round and round the farm yard with her arm out the car window šŸ™ƒ

And a younger person I know managed to run their own dog over in a pick-up truck, sigh, just bloody walk the things....
 

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Oh myā€¦ I had to take Smallest to the airport today so OH took our lot out for me. We live in a hamlet and are just surrounded by sheep, and lambing is in full spate.
OH heard barking and shouting, called ours to heel and then watched our elderly neighbour and his family try to catch a dog that was chasing deer. (Thank goodness only deer). Apparently it had been hunting them for an hour, and so, so luckily it hadnā€™t worked out how to get over the stock netting into the sheep and lambs next door.
Itā€™s a rescue from Moldova (OH thinks he said). They have had it 3 days. Heā€™s sending it back as he didnā€™t know it would need to be on a lead. Formerly he has had ex guide dog Labradors.
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Wow, a lot to unpack there.....
 

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There's far too much sheep worrying in these parts šŸ˜¬.

Local Police Rural Crime Team have cautioned the owner of this dog which was ragging a sheep in the stream. Had it not been interrupted the sheep would been done for.

Just a caution?

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"LIVESTOCK ATTACK:

Iā€™ve been investigating another livestock attack near Chester, which resulted in several sheep being chased, some of which were injured.

The video below paints a far better picture, but again It is your responsibility, as the dog owner, to ensure your animal is under ā€˜ā€™close controlā€. If your dog is chasing sheep, causing stress or injury, then you will be committing a criminal offence.

The field in question had suffered a number of livestock attacks whereby sheep had been killed before this incident was captured on video. On this occasion, thankfully, no sheep where killed, however the incident could of have turned out so much worse.

The suspect in this case was interviewed and admitted having a dog out of control around livestock. As a result they have been issued with a conditional caution, with includes conditions such as signing a dog behaviour contract. This contract includes the requirement of the owner to keep the dog on a lead in a public place and around any livestock or other animals.

We have heard too many times ā€˜ā€™ā€™my dog wouldnā€™t do thatā€™ā€™ and ā€˜ā€™Iā€™ve walked this route for yearsā€™ā€™. However, you can never predict the actions of your dog no matter how well behaved or trained it is. PLEASE KEEP YOUR DOG ON A LEAD around any livestock, bovine or other kept animals in fields.

The video below is a harsh reminder as to what happens when you do not keep your dog under close control or on a lead.

PC Tether

#RuralCrime #OpRecall #Operationrecall #Takethelead"
 

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There's far too much sheep worrying in these parts šŸ˜¬.

Local Police Rural Crime Team have cautioned the owner of this dog which was ragging a sheep in the stream. Had it not been interrupted the sheep would been done for.

Just a caution?

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"LIVESTOCK ATTACK:

Iā€™ve been investigating another livestock attack near Chester, which resulted in several sheep being chased, some of which were injured.

The video below paints a far better picture, but again It is your responsibility, as the dog owner, to ensure your animal is under ā€˜ā€™close controlā€. If your dog is chasing sheep, causing stress or injury, then you will be committing a criminal offence.

The field in question had suffered a number of livestock attacks whereby sheep had been killed before this incident was captured on video. On this occasion, thankfully, no sheep where killed, however the incident could of have turned out so much worse.

The suspect in this case was interviewed and admitted having a dog out of control around livestock. As a result they have been issued with a conditional caution, with includes conditions such as signing a dog behaviour contract. This contract includes the requirement of the owner to keep the dog on a lead in a public place and around any livestock or other animals.

We have heard too many times ā€˜ā€™ā€™my dog wouldnā€™t do thatā€™ā€™ and ā€˜ā€™Iā€™ve walked this route for yearsā€™ā€™. However, you can never predict the actions of your dog no matter how well behaved or trained it is. PLEASE KEEP YOUR DOG ON A LEAD around any livestock, bovine or other kept animals in fields.

The video below is a harsh reminder as to what happens when you do not keep your dog under close control or on a lead.

PC Tether

#RuralCrime #OpRecall #Operationrecall #Takethelead"

If I was the landowner, after several attacks I'd be far less patient and be exercising my legal right to dispatch dogs worrying sheep.
 

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Moron this morning - bringing pup out of the car and just shut boot, turned around to see a hairy little shitzu type thing had charged upto puppy who then air snapped his disgust - pup isn't interested in other dogs, he's fine with my other two and fine with the dogs at gundog classes but doesn't like strange dogs in his face - apparently I should have a lead on saying nervous because my dog is vicious - one air snap and shot behind me, he doesn't lunge at other dogs just ignores them - So ghastly old man was told "my pup doesn't need that but you need good manners and common sense not to let your mutt run up into other dogs faces, It will meet a vicious one one day and you will se what vicious actually means, and as for using a flexi on a road you are REALLY stupid aren't you? then I flounced off!!
 

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Just a caution?
Whatā€™s the point? Was there not even any financial recompense to the farmer?
Local to us in Essex a smallholder had a few rare breed sheep. One morning he found a dog trying to kill one in a stream. When he arrived the owner tried a bit harder, caught the dog and bolted. I mean if it had all gone terribly wrong and your dog had caused injury would you not own up and offer to pay?
 

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1. Who lets a Nordic off lead, especially around livestock. 2. have the farmers thought about getting a livestock guardian dog or two? Sure they have to be brought in before the collies can do their job but LGBs are more than cute, fluffy dogs. They will take care of any dog worrying stock and those dog owners won't be happy with the results.
 

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1. Who lets a Nordic off lead, especially around livestock. 2. have the farmers thought about getting a livestock guardian dog or two? Sure they have to be brought in before the collies can do their job but LGBs are more than cute, fluffy dogs. They will take care of any dog worrying stock and those dog owners won't be happy with the results.
We have the Dangerous Dogs Act in the UK and owning a livestock guardian dog would be in contravention of that unfortunately. If that werenā€™t the case I could see them working in fenced fields with heavy lowland breeds but our flighty hill breeds are usually kept over vast swathes of hill and mountainous areas with no fencing so that would be much more problematic.
 

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We have the Dangerous Dogs Act in the UK and owning a livestock guardian dog would be in contravention of that unfortunately. If that werenā€™t the case I could see them working in fenced fields with heavy lowland breeds but our flighty hill breeds are usually kept over vast swathes of hill and mountainous areas with no fencing so that would be much more problematic.
I don't think the DDA says anything about owning a LGD? Provided they're on private land, and aren't a threat to the public, LGDs shouldn't be affected by it.

And we have footpaths, so in many fields you can legally walk through them. Not sure a LGB would like that.
On the continent, you do have to walk past LGDs and they're fine as long as you give the livestock a wide berth. If you had a footpath that wasn't getting used too often, or a large enough field, it would just be a matter of getting one of the 'tamer' breeds that prefer to stick with the livestock and bark, e.g. a GP or Maremma.
 

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The woman driving a blue Honda Jazz with a cockapoo on her knee.

Do these people actually like their dogs? It just takes getting hit from behind or braking suddenly for your dog to go through the windscreen, let alone the fact that driving with a dog on your knee has to be so distracting that it would probably increase your likelihood of having an accident in the first place šŸ˜”
 

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I don't think the DDA says anything about owning a LGD? Provided they're on private land, and aren't a threat to the public, LGDs shouldn't be affected by it.

The Dangerous Dogs Act 1991 made it an offence for anyone in charge of any type of dog to allow it to be "dangerously out of control" in a public place, or in a private place.
 

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The Dangerous Dogs Act 1991 made it an offence for anyone in charge of any type of dog to allow it to be "dangerously out of control" in a public place, or in a private place.
LGDs shouldn't be dangerously out of control regardless - they won't attack livestock and shouldn't attack people.
 

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LGDs shouldn't be dangerously out of control regardless - they won't attack livestock and shouldn't attack people.

A dog is considered to be dangerously out of control if it injures someone or even just makes someone worried they might be injured. So a large LGD barking aggressively and possibly running towards walkers on a public footpath could easily be considered to be dangerously out of control.

There is also the Guard Dogs Act 1975.
(1)A person shall not use or permit the use of a guard dog at any premises unless a person (ā€œthe handlerā€) who is capable of controlling the dog is present on the premises and the dog is under the control of the handler at all times while it is being so used except while it is secured so that it is not at liberty to go to go freely about the premises.
 

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As mentioned, any type of 'guard dog' needs to have someone with it on the premises in the UK. Makes nights out hard for a few people I know.

LGDs as they are used in other countries wouldn't really work, we don't have steppes.

Plus any of the ones I have met in this part of the world are extremely iffy around people.
 
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Do these people actually like their dogs? It just takes getting hit from behind or braking suddenly for your dog to go through the windscreen, let alone the fact that driving with a dog on your knee has to be so distracting that it would probably increase your likelihood of having an accident in the first place šŸ˜”

OH spotted her first. We were waiting to pull on to a roundabout and she was coming on from a road to our right. The dog was sitting on her knee looking forward, she had another loose in the back.

It brought back memories. Years ago I used to bump into a chap with a Parson Russell terrier. She used to sit on his knee when he was driving. He told me that one day she took a toffee from his mouth as they drove along :eek: She was a little madam and led him a right dance. Recall non existent, used to toilet in his house. He asked if I would look after her so he could visit his daughter in France. I had 9 at the time so one more made no difference. She was good as gold, clean in the house, no bother at all ā€“ though I kept her on lead when out and about and in the dog bus she was in the back with the others, behind the dog guard.

Here is the little tinker when she stayed here (2005).

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More idiot than irresponsible I guess. Owner of four working type Lakelandā€™s - one more patterdale type. All under the age of three. All intact males. Now surprised they are trying to murder each other. Owner determined they will get through it with extra walking and some very novice, imo, ideas about managing them.

They were genuinely shocked when I said many terriers, not all but many, struggle with same sex issues but particularly dogs. And from my experience the working Lakeland/patterdale types more so. Asked about breed research etc - none. They were looking for a dog, there was a nearby litter on pets4homes. Liked him so went back and got three others over the 18 months which followed (not even going to comment re number of litters from one place). Now routinely getting bitten and the dogs are tearing each other apart - but it will all settle as they are vying for pack leader role and itā€™s sibling rivalry. Apparently.
 

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Oh myā€¦ I had to take Smallest to the airport today so OH took our lot out for me. We live in a hamlet and are just surrounded by sheep, and lambing is in full spate.
OH heard barking and shouting, called ours to heel and then watched our elderly neighbour and his family try to catch a dog that was chasing deer. (Thank goodness only deer). Apparently it had been hunting them for an hour, and so, so luckily it hadnā€™t worked out how to get over the stock netting into the sheep and lambs next door.
Itā€™s a rescue from Moldova (OH thinks he said). They have had it 3 days. Heā€™s sending it back as he didnā€™t know it would need to be on a lead. Formerly he has had ex guide dog Labradors.
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A follow up. I met them today. Sheā€™s a lovely dog, no idea of breeding Iā€™d guess a small hound x maybe staffie? Sheā€™s brindle and about the size of a small Labrador. She is now walked on the lead, but is hard to hold when she scents deer. Sheā€™s a street dog from Macadonia. I asked about brucellosis etc and they think sheā€™s been checked for everything but were going to look at her paperwork when they got home. If not they will go straight to the vet for testing.
The rescue did home checks of them and their family, who live nearby. The rescue is something like Strays Without Borders? I have got Jeux San Frontiers as an ear worm now šŸ˜„. They are getting a behavioural person up to help with the hunting but sheā€™s a five year old so Iā€™m not sure sheā€™ll ever be trustworthy.
 

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Found it registered on TKC, parents both listed as frenchies. I honestly think it's disgusting the the KC happily registered this dog (and others of it's ilk) in spite of all the noise and campaigns they have about improving breed health. I did look to see if there was a general query/complaint's email but seems there isn't, but I was tempted to send an email with a picture of the dog to ask why it is okay for them to essentially endorse this type of breeding. I mean, we know the answer, money, but it doesn't make it okay.
 
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