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CorvusCorax said:
I mean it is great that an individual cat doesn't kill birds/only selectively kills annoying rodents and doesn't shit in other people's gardens, which is obviously the ideal, it doesn't mean none of them do, because they very much do both of those things around here.
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And part of the difference between cats and other pets is that you don't know exactly what they are up to the majority of the time as they roam and are off going about their business out of the owner's sight.
 
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skinnydipper said:
Dogs who have killed a cat in a public place should be kept on lead and muzzled.
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Well of course everyone on the forum has perfect pets and so wouldn't have a dog, a Patterdale in this instance, that they drive to a green space/woodland behind residential property and then stand while it amuses itself barking hysterically and chasing squirrels. Ripped a leg off one poor cat that dared to set foot outside of its garden and killed another, other people's pets.

I'm sure I'll get told the cats had no right to be there.
 
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skinnydipper said:
Well of course everyone on the forum has perfect pets and so wouldn't have a dog, a Patterdale in this instance, that they drive to a green space/woodland behind residential property and then stand while it amuses itself barking hysterically and chasing squirrels. Ripped a leg off one poor cat that dared to set foot outside of its garden and killed another, other people's pets.

I'm sure I'll get told the cats had no right to be there.
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I don't think anyone has a problem condemning bad behaviour/attacking/killing in a shared space. Like I say I would hate it if my dog(s) killed an animal even if it was in their own garden, and at least two of them would, because neither me nor they are perfect, hence...leads...
 
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Unfortunately there will always be idiots with dogs, who don't give a monkeys if they attack other animals or even people, but surely it can't be denied there must be far far more of the 11 million UK cats out maiming/killing animals than the 11 million dogs. Mine wears a muzzle every second he is outside in public because he has occasionally (maybe twice in 7 years) had a chance to grab a cat hiding under a car/in a bush that he's spotted before me, and I don't want him killing things and prefer to negate that tiny chance over worrying about what people think of him looking 'scary'. I wish he didn't have to because he's much more handsome without it!

Yesterday I was gardening and he was lying on the grass sunbathing in plain view and I heard a scrabbling sound - one of my neighbour's cats was JUST about to jump down off the fence INTO my garden, literally into the jaws of death. I had to leap into action to scare her back over. This cat knows a big dog lives there, I have personally squirted her with water more times than I can count (with permission from neighbour), but she still thought it was a good idea, even though there's loads of other gardens/land to explore. The saying 'curiosity killed the cat' is honestly so true.
 
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paddy555 said:
whilst cats do kill birds they are also vitally important in killing vermin ie rats especially and mice.
If you have stables (town or country) I'm not sure how you manage without free roaming moggies. Similarly if you have chickens or anything else where there is food around. Other than a firearm which most don't have access to there seem to be little that can kill vermin.
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Get a working bred JRT, Border or Patterdale....or if you've let things go too far get the Suffolk Rat Pack in! No need for moggies! :) (Said good humouredly!) https://www.facebook.com/suffolkandnorfolkratpack
 
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skinnydipper said:
Well of course everyone on the forum has perfect pets and so wouldn't have a dog, a Patterdale in this instance, that they drive to a green space/woodland behind residential property and then stand while it amuses itself barking hysterically and chasing squirrels. Ripped a leg off one poor cat that dared to set foot outside of its garden and killed another, other people's pets.

I'm sure I'll get told the cats had no right to be there.
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Well that’s just being a little bit passive aggressive is it not? I loathe cats but my dogs do not chase them when out on walks.
 
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skinnydipper said:
Well of course everyone on the forum has perfect pets and so wouldn't have a dog, a Patterdale in this instance, that they drive to a green space/woodland behind residential property and then stand while it amuses itself barking hysterically and chasing squirrels. Ripped a leg off one poor cat that dared to set foot outside of its garden and killed another, other people's pets.

I'm sure I'll get told the cats had no right to be there.
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CanteringCarrot said:
So, does one or should one feel differently when their dog attacks and/or kills another dog that wanders into their property vs when it's a cat?
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They cant really just wander into people's property though can they.

If a random dog jumped into someone's back garden which had an aggressive resident dog in it, it would be entirely the fault of the owner of the loose dog who has allowed it to stray onto other people's property.

It would be pretty bizarre though, for a dog to not only be running the streets loose, but to also scale over sizeable fences.
 
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IMO domestic cats and dogs are both sentient animals who can feel pain and fear, and both are loved pets (hopefully, although I'm not sure all owners truly love their pets). I don't want to see either killed by someone else's pet, but I think if the animal strays onto the property of another predatory animal then it is difficult to claim any injury is the 'fault' of the property owner. I would try to keep a dog under control if it was known to chase other animals (e.g. cats) and would try to prevent cats/other animals getting into my garden, but I can see that it might be easy to think the garden is clear and you're just letting the dog out for a quick pee so you turn your back for a second and a cat jumps into the garden.

It is the same with pets dying via RTA: it is tragic for the animal and their owner (I have lost a much loved cat this way), but if the driver was driving sensibly and the dog/cat ran out in front of the car then it is not the driver's 'fault'.

Encouraging your dog to kill a cat that has entered your garden is a different matter, it would be the fault of the dog's owner, and I would think it morally reprehensible. It is also morally questionable to continue to allow your cat to enter your neighbours' property and kill their pet hens when you know that the cat has done so before. It is no more acceptable for a cat to kill someone's pet birds than for a dog to kill someone's pet cat.
 
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Arzada said:
We're really missing the yard cat, not just because she was a lovely cat to have around. She was born in the farmhouse to a pet cat and chose to be an outdoor girl. Since she died about 16 months ago I realise how much work she did to keep the place vermin free. Unfortunately there isn't a successor.
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Our local horsey Facebook group is forever offering semi-feral cats to people: maybe check with CPL too.
 
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The CPL in my area often has cats advertised for rehoming that aren't suitable for life in a house and need a rural/farm/yard home, so they are definitely worth a try for anyone looking for a yard cat :)
 
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I would view the situations very differently, should they occur.
In the dog that I have (though she be about as trainable as a cat 😜) I expect prey drive but not dog aggression.
As it happens, the wall that keeps my dog in is very effective at keeping other dogs out. It is less effective at keeping cats out.
 
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skinnydipper said:
I don't take her out there now, its not worth it. We go further afield for our walks.
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I can relate to this.

We have a few small woodland walks a short walk from home, however because they are local to housing estates, they get used by all manner of idiot.

We drive 15 minutes or so each day instead to walk on the forest, so we don't have to deal with the 'don't worry, he's friendly' brigade.
 
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Jenko109 said:
They cant really just wander into people's property though can they.

If a random dog jumped into someone's back garden which had an aggressive resident dog in it, it would be entirely the fault of the owner of the loose dog who has allowed it to stray onto other people's property.

It would be pretty bizarre though, for a dog to not only be running the streets loose, but to also scale over sizeable fences.
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Really? Is it that bizarre and/or uncommon. Lots of tales on here say otherwise. Not as common as a cat, of course.
 
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Yeah I live along a footpath and have often found dogs in my garden, Spangletwat & co have featured regularly on this thread. Also very not cool and a huge factor in why my young female is very reactive.

At this time of year I also pack up and go elsewhere for walks, a lot of the time.
 
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Arzada said:
We're really missing the yard cat, not just because she was a lovely cat to have around. She was born in the farmhouse to a pet cat and chose to be an outdoor girl. Since she died about 16 months ago I realise how much work she did to keep the place vermin free. Unfortunately there isn't a successor.
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you really miss them when they are gone. Nothing like a good working cat. Sorry for your loss.
 
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gunnergundog said:
Get a working bred JRT, Border or Patterdale....or if you've let things go too far get the Suffolk Rat Pack in! No need for moggies! :) (Said good humouredly!) https://www.facebook.com/suffolkandnorfolkratpack
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that raises another problem though. The cats are loose all the time, if a rat turns up they are at the ready. As they are free they can go anywhere unsupervised.
I wouldn't have a dog running around loose 24/7. I'm sure it would bite the postman//delivery men etc. get onto the road or out into the fields with sheep.
I expect rat control to take place 24/7 without involvement from me.

Other reason is I HATE terriers. :D
 
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