marmalade76
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People have and always will be bitten and hurt by dogs. The difference is people (and other dogs) are being attacked and /or killed predominantly by a certain type of dog.
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People have and always will be bitten and hurt by dogs. The difference is people (and other dogs) are being attacked and /or killed predominantly by a certain type of dog.
Cinnamontoast
Fais pas chier!
True, but not exclusively, thinking of the husky tragedy quite recently.
splashgirl45
Lurcher lover
I saw 2 husky’s out today both on lead but one of them was very big and if it decided to attack a person it would be hard to fight off, luckily this chap was very aware of how big they are and said he doesn’t let them off lead if there are other dogs around as their play is very rough and there aren’t many dogs big enough to cope with them. Nice chap who does not qualify as irresponsible
CorvusCorax
Justified & Ancient
I mean some people with big dogs are already doing that (keeping them on leash on public/populated places) 
and sometimes get called cruel, when they're actually being considerate.
and sometimes get called cruel, when they're actually being considerate.
blackcob
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That was a very specific, unusual and tragic circumstance though. Even at the peak of their popularity circa 2008ish they were not responsible for attacking the general public in anything like the current numbers.
stangs
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Are we getting rid of Rottweilers while we're at it? Several have killed and attacked people, including recently and including when leashed, but they're also not got 'bull' in the name so might not fit the narrative.
stangs
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Back to the OP, I met my first Alabai the other day. Gorgeous dog and very friendly, but absolutely massive - head bigger than a bully's - and with ears cropped. He decided he wanted to sniff my trousers so dragged lady walking him over to me, and we finished our conversation prematurely when he dragged her to another dog walking past. Apparently he's her son's dog, but son lost interest so she now has to look after him.
Lovely lady and lovely dog, but if you wanted to bring in breed-specific licenses, there's one for you. Poor thing ought to be free on the steppes, not stuck doing a single daily walk in the suburbs.
Lovely lady and lovely dog, but if you wanted to bring in breed-specific licenses, there's one for you. Poor thing ought to be free on the steppes, not stuck doing a single daily walk in the suburbs.
skinnydipper
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I mean some people with big dogs are already doing that (keeping them on leash on public/populated places)
Not only that, you keep your dog on a leash and he/she seems to become a target. People don't think 'Big dog on leash, I'll give them some space'. No, no, that would require an element of common sense. Instead they blame the fact that you have your dog on a leash for their dog being an absolute arse.
Just a few examples of what she has had to put up with while on her leash: a terrier running back and forth trying to bite her legs, a collie who ran at her and tried to attack, a lab with hackles up was all over her, dogs verbally kicking off at her - too many to count, socially impolite dogs in her face and up her arse when she is politely telling them she doesn't want to know and despite us being off the path and out of the way their owners think it's fine.
She fared no better off lead. When she was playing with another dog she was assaulted by a lab which resulted in her needing vet treatment and apart from the pain and discomfort she suffered, I was £200 lighter. She was trying to get away from the persistent shit and ran back to me, I had to insist the owner come and get his dog.
She has a lovely nature but she has had enough, we both have. As I said on another thread we now try and avoid other dogs.
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BallyRoanBaubles
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I took my lab and goldie pup to the local game fair for an hour or so this morning, as we were leaving a large GSD comes round the corner on a long lead in front of its owners straight up into my labs face and we got the typical ‘oh don’t worry he’s friendly’ my reply ‘mine might not be’ you would’ve thought that might be enough to reel their dog in but no I had to actually tell them to shift their dog NOW PLEASE
AmyMay
Situation normal
If you’re going to meet idiots with dogs I guess there’s no better place to do it than a large event that permits dogs.
For the life of me I can’t understand why people take them.
MurphysMinder
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A game fair is generally pretty dog friendly to be fair . I have done meet the breed stands at them , and people walking round without dogs tend to be in the minority .
BallyRoanBaubles
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Most people have a dog, and most are responsible, it was only these people I saw today that weren’t
Pearlsasinger
Up in the clouds
They are great places for socialising pups I.e. teaching them to behave in a mannerly way around other dogs and their owners, while on a lead. Not for allowing them to aporoach/ play with other dogs.
TheresaW
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I have 2 huskies and a malamute. They are never off lead, ever, unless totally secure area, or in our garden. The huskies are totally dog and people friendly. Malamute small dog aggressive.
All have a prey drive which means a thing small and furry to cross the path at a run, they would be off, hence why on lead all the time.
I think he is irresponsible if he lets them off lead on occasion to be honest.
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P3LH
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I was actually on the receiving end of an ‘attempted’ attack last week, and count myself rather fortunate things didn’t pan out differently.
Of all places, I was at the cemetery putting some flowers down for my Dad. I didn’t have any dogs with me.
There was a gentleman with a very large blue xl bully type on a long lead, it was pootling around as he sat on one of the benches which is fair enough. I had to pass them to get back to the car park. I noted & didn’t like the way it watched after me as I headed in their direction, so much so that I questioned doubling back on myself but thought I was being stupid. Always trust your gut feeling and heed it is what I have clearly learned, but at the time I thought I was being stupid.
I had an umbrella and big bag with me which came in handy, and the owner at least was paying attention enough to tow it back. He apologised but not really the point. Scratches on my legs and a bit unnerved by the situation, but could have been much worse.
Have felt very cautious when our dog walking since, which is unlike me. What unsettled me most was the fact that really, 9 in 10 people wouldn’t have noticed the way it was looking at them as wouldn’t have been looking for it. And the dog went from 0-1000 in a split second. One moment sniffing around the next it was next to me, and left me in no doubt it meant business even if it had a change of mind/was deterred/was thwarted by owner. I’m under no illusion had it actually really desired to attack me, very little would have mitigated so it was more than likely ‘just’ a reactive dog. But still.
Reported to dog warden. Owner was at best, non plussed about it. It really did make me reflect on just how terrifying being in the midst of being actually attacked by one of these dogs must be.
Of all places, I was at the cemetery putting some flowers down for my Dad. I didn’t have any dogs with me.
There was a gentleman with a very large blue xl bully type on a long lead, it was pootling around as he sat on one of the benches which is fair enough. I had to pass them to get back to the car park. I noted & didn’t like the way it watched after me as I headed in their direction, so much so that I questioned doubling back on myself but thought I was being stupid. Always trust your gut feeling and heed it is what I have clearly learned, but at the time I thought I was being stupid.
I had an umbrella and big bag with me which came in handy, and the owner at least was paying attention enough to tow it back. He apologised but not really the point. Scratches on my legs and a bit unnerved by the situation, but could have been much worse.
Have felt very cautious when our dog walking since, which is unlike me. What unsettled me most was the fact that really, 9 in 10 people wouldn’t have noticed the way it was looking at them as wouldn’t have been looking for it. And the dog went from 0-1000 in a split second. One moment sniffing around the next it was next to me, and left me in no doubt it meant business even if it had a change of mind/was deterred/was thwarted by owner. I’m under no illusion had it actually really desired to attack me, very little would have mitigated so it was more than likely ‘just’ a reactive dog. But still.
Reported to dog warden. Owner was at best, non plussed about it. It really did make me reflect on just how terrifying being in the midst of being actually attacked by one of these dogs must be.
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splashgirl45
Lurcher lover
He didn’t say where, maybe he hired a field for them
TheresaW
Well-Known Member
Hopefully
skinnydipper
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If I may make a suggestion for the people who can't work it out for themselves. If you have a dog who doesn't like dogs who are on a lead or doesn't like big dogs, small dogs, fluffy dogs or whatever, when you see a dog coming who fits the description then put your dog on a lead and keep it away from the other dog. Simple.
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splashgirl45
Lurcher lover
That is exactly what I do , all that does is avoid the problem, it doesn’t cure it. When my dog is barking it’s excitement mostly and I need to get the dogs attention away from the people /other dogs and on to me. Treats can work if she isn’t too hyped up… I have had different types of dogs over the last 50 years and have never had this problem before so don’t assume we are all idiots who have no idea how to manage a dog
skinnydipper
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I'm sorry, you seem to have taken this personally. I was thinking of the excuses that I have been given for somebody's dog having a go at mine, ie it's because she is on a lead, its because she is big, etc.
It has also been suggested to me both with the GSD in my avatar and the big girl that I let my dog sort it out, that their dog needs to be taught a lesson, like that's a good idea
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splashgirl45
Lurcher lover
I am afraid I did, sorry … after I posted I thought I had been a bit prickly , I normally think before I post
P3LH
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People seem to think a dog free roaming is some sort of right/the only way a dog can actually be walked round here. A good friend who we regularly walk with has a very anxious dog who, if put in high pressure situations, can become reactive. It is both excruciating and enraging to watch people destroy my friends ability to enjoy a walk and decimate the feeling of security in their dog, purely by arrogance/ignorance and not giving a shit what their dogs are doing.
Which is something else we’ve encountered a lot lately. Dog off lead, owner some distance away, no idea what dog is doing, whilst dog is usually being a pain.
cauda equina
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There was a woman like that with a collie where I ride.
Bloody thing had no recall but she still let it off the lead in spite of previously being kicked by horses (she kept telling me that, as if it were my responsibility to make sure it didn't happen again) because 'she needs her exercise - I come up here every day, if you don't like it you can stay away'
Bloody thing had no recall but she still let it off the lead in spite of previously being kicked by horses (she kept telling me that, as if it were my responsibility to make sure it didn't happen again) because 'she needs her exercise - I come up here every day, if you don't like it you can stay away'
skinnydipper
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What, you don't know you have to let them socialise? That's another excuse I've been given.
P3LH
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I cannot explain just how many times (I know I’ve shared a few here - my favourite being the he man with GSD) that I have quite firmly warned people that whilst my pem bitch is very friendly and sociable with other dogs, she has strict criteria as to her interactions. She doesn’t suffer fools or bad manners, and therefore their over the top, under socialised dog probably isn’t the right dog for her to be interacting with.
They almost never listen, or remove their dog from my dogs heads, or prevent them from jumping on them, humping them or bowling them over. The scary thing is, as you say, the ‘sort it out themselves’ mentality. Few seem bothered when madam does put said undersocialised and over enthusiastic dog ‘in its place’ in lamen terms, whereas im mortified. Some even think this will teach their dog the boundaries they should be instilling.
I’ve gotten to the point where I just say ‘no mine don’t like other dogs, sorry’, which is a shame as they are actually incredibly sociable and really well mannered with others - but it’s more hassle than it’s worth.
I actively avoid other dog walkers, for many reasons, these days. It causes me too much stress otherwise/takes away from something I really enjoy.
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Errin Paddywack
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These sort of people often have children exactly the same.
Annette4
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We were harassed by a very large young GSD with no recall yesterday. Thankfully(?) she mostly bothered me, Fizz hates GSDs (no idea why as she's never had a bad interaction) but besides a half hearted 'game' of chase where said GSD realised she wasn't going to catch Fizz so came back to trying to mug me for treats. Owner did at least try to recall his dog and did come to retrieve her but Fizz was then on edge.
I then watched the GSD run up to a small dog on lead who told her to bog off and to her credit she did but it shouldn't have got that far.
Dogs like this are the norm on any open space where we are, which massively limits where I can walk Dobby so we are limited to road walks or renting fields until it starts raining again
I'm also not looking forward to trying to train new puppy in this environment.
I then watched the GSD run up to a small dog on lead who told her to bog off and to her credit she did but it shouldn't have got that far.
Dogs like this are the norm on any open space where we are, which massively limits where I can walk Dobby so we are limited to road walks or renting fields until it starts raining again
I'm also not looking forward to trying to train new puppy in this environment.teapot
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I don’t often post in here but will share the experience of my walk yesterday evening.
Walking across my local beach, minding my own business where in a matter of minutes I was being barked, growled at, and quickly approached by a large husky/husky type dog, from a good 100/150m away. Zero recall whatsoever, so I stopped dead and waited as dog wouldn’t leave me alone.
Owner eventually got to me, apologising like it’s no big deal etc ‘she’s usually very quiet, friendly’. So I may have pointed out somewhat bluntly the lack of recall in a public place, and to consider how a child might have reacted. ‘I’ll put her on the lead’ said the owner, who I genuinely think size wise would be pulled over if that dog decided to leg it.
I now actually time and locate my walks to avoid the majority of dog owners because I’m fed up of either the above, or constantly tripping over yappy things on leads
Walking across my local beach, minding my own business where in a matter of minutes I was being barked, growled at, and quickly approached by a large husky/husky type dog, from a good 100/150m away. Zero recall whatsoever, so I stopped dead and waited as dog wouldn’t leave me alone.
Owner eventually got to me, apologising like it’s no big deal etc ‘she’s usually very quiet, friendly’. So I may have pointed out somewhat bluntly the lack of recall in a public place, and to consider how a child might have reacted. ‘I’ll put her on the lead’ said the owner, who I genuinely think size wise would be pulled over if that dog decided to leg it.
I now actually time and locate my walks to avoid the majority of dog owners because I’m fed up of either the above, or constantly tripping over yappy things on leads
SaddlePsych'D
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Second dog I've seen this week being walked in a poorly fitting stupid face harness thing so it couldn't open its mouth fully to pant in the warm weather
CorvusCorax
Justified & Ancient
Today's good:
Three people separately working on engagement (CKCS, Cocker, Bernese)
Today's bad:
A GSD on too long a line going absolutely ballistic with mine, owner with two young kids in tow just stood there like a lemon.
Three people separately working on engagement (CKCS, Cocker, Bernese)
Today's bad:
A GSD on too long a line going absolutely ballistic with mine, owner with two young kids in tow just stood there like a lemon.