Is anyone having their say...adding any input to the new dog....

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So are you going to have your say then, and have a good rant like u do on here
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u bedda make your valid points missus and ask why the German ways cannot be introduced here....it asks for all opinions....

I also think it should be suggested that any litters produced without testing, the breeders should foot any bills for off spring treated for a hereditary problem that occurs in it's life time, and all breeders should have to have insurance to cover that (won't be cheap)
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Hrm hm, with testing I still have a breeding insurance covering Jonna's puppies for hereditary problems turning up during the first 3 years of life, if something had happened to Jonna during giving birth and it gave the puppies a full veterinary insurance up until 12 weeks of age.
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Nope, even the big classes at champ shows. Every dog will get a grading, they are entitled to it.

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What do you call a big class as a matter of interest?
 
I'm not on a bandwagon
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We used to show, I grew up in the back of a Fiat Uno with two dogs in the boot.
At one time we owned and campaigned the youngest ever Irish bred junior warrant winner.

I just have never and would never understand why someone would want to have 50 dogs at once.

Sorry for bringing money into it, I didn't mean to offend.
 
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Because that is a potential of 24 puppies to find homes for, of course less, if you are running on ones you want to keep, but say 18-20. At once? In my breed anyway, I don't know what sizes other breed litters are.
What's the rush?

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There ARE other breeds than GSDs you know
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This was in a breed which has much smaller litters, and there were nowhere near that many to find homes for on that occasion
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The rush? As I described somewhere above, in my experience it is why SOME people show/breed dogs, to get personal satisfaction from their hobby, it is their way of feeling they have made it in life
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Nope, even the big classes at champ shows. Every dog will get a grading, they are entitled to it.

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What do you call a big class as a matter of interest?

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The junior class I handled at last year had 20 in it.
A few years ago that would have been 40, split into two parts, 20 and 20, and the judge would go right down the line.
 
Great input....I know we all feel it's a frustrating no brainer.....even Im bothering to write in and I knew MM, CC and FLH would put some ideas on here esp re specific breedes and standards, which is prob not what I will be ranting about but def think you need to add your say.

FLH totally agree your Countrys policies are very responsible. we would prob get the we have a huge ratio of dogs comapred to blahh blahh "the answers are clear on that one!! we never adapted a responsible attitude to breeding in the first place, but we need to and I will deft take some examples from here to add to my rants.
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Because that is a potential of 24 puppies to find homes for, of course less, if you are running on ones you want to keep, but say 18-20. At once? In my breed anyway, I don't know what sizes other breed litters are.
What's the rush?

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There ARE other breeds than GSDs you know
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This was in a breed which has much smaller litters, and there were nowhere near that many to find homes for on that occasion
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The rush? As I described somewhere above, in my experience it is why SOME people show/breed dogs, to get personal satisfaction from their hobby, it is their way of feeling they have made it in life
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No worries, dogs are a constant learning curve. How many is usual in a CKCS litter?
 
Depends on the line
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Nowadays 3-4 depending on the stud dog used - many years ago 7 was quite common, but there is no doubt numbers in litters are decreasng, smaller numbers are more usual now
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I rest my case - 20 is a very average sized class in CKCS, not big at all
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And what is considered a big class for that breed?

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40 plus
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ETA - but they are always single sex classes, you dont even get mixed sex classes at Open shows AFAIK
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Ah, they're little, more to squish in your little ring and trot in a wee triangle
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**blasts past GH knocking grannies out of the way, blowing a whistle and yelling in a megaphone around the outside of the ring**
 
This is true, I think that is why I got bored with dog showing, sooooo tedious waiting for your dog to have its turn in classes that size
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bloody nora u lot type to fast....im reading through this like a mad woman.....IMO 50 is also commercial sorry to disagree, but u have to be responsible in a route to finding the best of the best (im not a show expert here) to bare with me. but im assuming those who where not good enough would have been sold or found homes for and potentially bred from?? therefor the ones that where not so good are stillbeing bred from.

This may sound unusual but we rehome more cavs than shepherds
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I also think showing is a bit of a waste of time "waits for the onslaught" it's not my cup of tee,
I will also wait for the onslaught I will say the majority of breeding is done for monitery gain the minority is not.

I wont run *I can fight*
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LOL of course it isnt unusual OR surpising Cayla, statistically you are bound to rehome more CKCS because proportionally there are higher numbers of them as an extremely popular breed in the country
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Depends how you define commercial I suppose, yes of course there were high wastage numbers like there are in (e.g.) horse racing, but that does mean it was done as a profit making business?

I suppose there could be a requirement for them to neuter all pups not making the grade before they are sold, which personally I think would be an excellent idea, but it is actually not the show kennels decision whether the substandard dogs are bred from, it is the new owners
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I totally agree that showing is a waste of time BTW, thats exactly why I dont do it despite being brought up with a totally obessed mother and now a sister too
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But then probably so is dressage, and I enjoy that
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A reply
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.....yes the breeder should be made to neuter the sub standard dog, and if they are a good responsible breeder they will do so because they will care about off loading the failures
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LMAO - I have actually never met a breeder who routinely neutered every dog they sold
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Perhaps that should be a suggestion to the Bateson report
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well I have never done the statistics re which is more popular....but would imagine alot has to do with....it being alot easier to breed sh!t loads of littluns than bigguns cos u can cram more in....like a bake beans tin
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Im in debate form today....I never come into these debates
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im going to be very annoying
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..nowt new there
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LMAO - I have actually never met a breeder who routinely neutered every dog they sold
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Perhaps that should be a suggestion to the Bateson report
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It will be my suggestion....we as a rescue neuter all the cavs we get in.......so the breeder should too
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If they are sub standard why not......they clearly should not be bred from
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they should be pets and if they are doing it for the love of breeding and not money
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they should care enough to do so and hang onto them for 6 months like us rescues do to neuter them
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Sorry, I was unloading the dishwasher and pouring a glass of Dow's
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I think more GSDs were registered in 2009 than Cavs. Not that KC registration means anything
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Exactly - I doubt many puppy farmers bother to KC register the crap they produce, but a hell of a lot of the pups will be CKCS
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LMAO - I have actually never met a breeder who routinely neutered every dog they sold
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Perhaps that should be a suggestion to the Bateson report
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It will be my suggestion....we as a rescue neuter all the cavs we get in.......so the breeder should too
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If they are sub standard why not......they clearly should not be bred from
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they should be pets and if they are doing it for the love of breeding and not money
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they should care enough to do so and hang onto them for 6 months like us rescues do to neuter them
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fight, fight fight
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Now you see that is where your arguement falls down - the puppy may not be of a good enough standard for a top breeder to keep it, but it may well be considered to be a good enough standard for someone just getting into showing to have lots of fun with
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Standards of CKCS are much lower in (e.g.) Scandanavian countries so something which might not be kept as a show prospect here would do really well over there and might well improve the standard of the breed overall
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Yes I suppose
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to tie in with Cayla's Baked Bean Theory ^^^^

(Quick Cayla, patent that before I nick it
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step away from it b!tch....it's mine
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I do like it though now I keep reading it
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LMAO - I have actually never met a breeder who routinely neutered every dog they sold
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Perhaps that should be a suggestion to the Bateson report
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It will be my suggestion....we as a rescue neuter all the cavs we get in.......so the breeder should too
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If they are sub standard why not......they clearly should not be bred from
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they should be pets and if they are doing it for the love of breeding and not money
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they should care enough to do so and hang onto them for 6 months like us rescues do to neuter them
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fight, fight fight
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Now you see that is where your arguement falls down - the puppy may not be of a good enough standard for a top breeder to keep it, but it may well be considered to be a good enough standard for someone just getting into showing to have lots of fun with
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Standards of CKCS are much lower in (e.g.) Scandanavian countries so something which might not be kept as a show prospect here would do really well over there and might well improve the standard of the breed overall
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Haha, the Germans used to ship their rubbish over here and laugh all the way to the bank
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He has 'VOM' in his name, he MUST be good
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