Is Parelli bad for the brain?

I responded earlier in a light hearted manner but that video has just sent my hackles right up.
The stupid stupid *****.
I'd like to put her in a round pen and thrash the hell of out of her whilst making sure she has no idea of why or what i want from her.
I'd love to have seen her do that to Sid. He'd have stood up and bashed her one plain and simple.
For once in my life I am speechless
 
Okay. Confession time.... ;):p:eek::D

When I got my first horse, all my good old 'common horse sense' left me and I was stuck and she was like a giraffe on speed. So, a friend helped me using Parelli methods (I know, common horse sense, etc.). I researched a bit. Wasn't sure I liked it, but was open to learning and re-learning as much as I could about horse care/management, etc.

I went on a two day session at the NEC, but wasn't too impressed. One person seemed to have clicked with her horse, but she might have done that anyway.

Friend and I went on a one day course. We left after morning coffee.

I've bought the DVDs and courses, learnt what I could from them, ignored what didn't make sense/was too 'way out there', and then sold the lot on eBay, usually for more than I'd paid for them :D

I do still have the halter and long lead rope. The halter keeps Dizz calm and 'happy' when moving around the yard/field with a handler; and the rope ditto, it feels good, lets a hoony horse hoon without giving me rope burns, and makes it easier to work with horses on the ground. Everything else has gone to eBay and paid for itself and left some over :D

Having seen the video of what appears to be someone famous 'working' with a horse in a totally unacceptable manner, I will no longer look to it for any nugget of knowledge.
 
I have nothing constructive to add to this thread other than that i'm almost about to pee myself laughing :D Completely agree with the above though, what she does to that poor horse in the video is absolutley disgusting. Parelli to me always seemed to be common sense marketed to make it seem like it was something 'new' and could be achieved by watching their dvd sets costing £300 each and joining their equally as expensive (and useless) 'club'. After watching that video again though, i'm not so sure where the common sense part comes into it??
 
MrsMozart said:
Having seen the video of what appears to be someone famous 'working' with a horse in a totally unacceptable manner, I will no longer look to it for any nugget of knowledge.
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That 'someone famous' is Linda Parelli herself

This isn't a 'behind the scenes/secret' clip, but one which is included in a dvd they sell (for a vastly inflated price of course)
 
Unfortunately Parelli has got a very negative image due to that video. And i agree, its horrific. But i dont think you can put everyone who uses parelli or other NH methods into the same catagory. A lot of people who train using parelli are those who have no interest in riding. Being able to do the groundwork is a good alternative.
But unfortunately a lot of people buy into the idea that if the buy all the expensive equipment they will become great horse trainers.
A lot of people do actually use Parelli and other NH methods to train their horses to a high level. I myself am aiming to compete in jumping next year with my youngster. He has been trained in methods similar to parelli, ray hunt and mark rashid. Never had a bit in his mouth, and is as easy and light as a feather to ride.
I think tho really the training techique is really only as good as the trainer. You get good and bad training in all disciplines. After all, natural horsemanship is no better a method than other traditional techniques, its just training from a different perspective.
Because there are a few idiots amounst us, doesnt mean we are all like that.
 
roo2012 said:
That 'someone famous' is Linda Parelli herself

This isn't a 'behind the scenes/secret' clip, but one which is included in a dvd they sell (for a vastly inflated price of course)
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After watching that video I know what I'd like to do to Linda Parelli. And seriously, that is included in their DVD's and people STILL buy them?!All through that video I was willing the poor horse to get his own back. I couldnt even work out what she was trying to acheive, and if a human can't how the hell could a horse?!

Sorry gone off on a rant there....

but....

PMSL at the comedy on this thread before!
 
Cavblacks said:
And seriously, that is included in their DVD's and people STILL buy them?!
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But that horse was 'dangerous' - didn't pay enough attention to its handler and kept getting distracted (possibly something to do with the fact it has one eye??) so that was obviously the best way for it to learn to respect the owner/handler. I just can't believe the owner watched this whole episode - if someone tried this with my horse...
 
First of all - Munchkin, you crack me up, thanks for one of the biggest belly laughs I've had all week! :D

I managed about a minute of that video, I was shouting blue murder at the laptop screen after about 10 seconds - what an absolute B*TCH! I really wanted to slap her!
I'm all for people doing things on the ground with their horses - horseagility, horsey heelwork-to-music - who cares, as long as the horses are trained in a positive manner. Personally I'm a Monty Roberts girl myself, it's done wonders with my poor little terrified-of-his-own-shadow cob, and helped me tame my feral welshie after she was left to her own devices for nearly 3 years.
And to think they charge all that money to watch horses being abused... :mad:
 
Jennyharvey said:
Unfortunately Parelli has got a very negative image due to that video. And i agree, its horrific. But i dont think you can put everyone who uses parelli or other NH methods into the same catagory. A lot of people who train using parelli are those who have no interest in riding. Being able to do the groundwork is a good alternative.
But unfortunately a lot of people buy into the idea that if the buy all the expensive equipment they will become great horse trainers.
A lot of people do actually use Parelli and other NH methods to train their horses to a high level. I myself am aiming to compete in jumping next year with my youngster. He has been trained in methods similar to parelli, ray hunt and mark rashid. Never had a bit in his mouth, and is as easy and light as a feather to ride.
I think tho really the training techique is really only as good as the trainer. You get good and bad training in all disciplines. After all, natural horsemanship is no better a method than other traditional techniques, its just training from a different perspective.
Because there are a few idiots amounst us, doesnt mean we are all like that.
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Finally! A pro Parelli person who actually makes sense!

Personally I am probably more traditional but a lot of the things I do seem to pop up in 'natural' horsemanship too.

You hit the nail on so many heads, especially the bit about people thinking if they buy all the stuff they will be good trainers and you are so right in that any training method is only as good as the trainer. I think my problem is that the ones I have met have not been good trainers and yet they think they are the bees knees and the rest of us don't know what we are talking about as we watch them confuse their poor unfortunate horses.

As for LP - not a good trainer imho.
 
shysmum said:
Excuse me for being thick, but doesn't parelli just involve flogging a terrified one eyed horse repeatedly about the head, or is that some other natural horsemanship method ?? Hmmmm must be a cult, if said horse's owner can stand there believing every damned word the woman says.......while watching the above. sm x
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Couldn't off said it better. A load off bloody **** parelli is.
 
I have to say that i'm somewhat of a parelli expert as some of the older forum members will know.And i often play eight games with my horses..i do not use the conventional 'kit' but i use a gym ball from argos,a bamboo cane with string and tarpauling from b&q.

I do play the normal seven games but have also used my own games aswell.i cannot recomend tail pulling enough.if you have horses with trust issues it can really help them.if you stand behind your horse in a school and gently yank the tail untill the horse reverses towards you,once the horses have got the hang of it you can 'pull' them around the school several times.My horses love this game and the bond between him and me is amazing.

Alot of people diss parelli because they are not experianced enough to know when the horse is respecting and giving to you.They take there horse into the school and try a game but when the horse does not react the way you think it should they bad mouth parelli.It can takes months to get the horse to be at one with you it wont happen overnight.So dont give up.
 
I'm blonde, I can't comment on the brain mush question ;) :p

I just have no interest in it tbh and don't see it's point. I can quite happily get onmost of our horses bareback and no tack and jump them round anything, hack them out, etc.
I have no need to poke them with carrot sticks nor do I have the time or desire to. 11 horses on our yard to do each day to school and sort out, each for which, natural horsemanship/parelli has no part in their training schedules. As long as they perform and are sound and happy, that's all that's needed.
Not one horse is bad mannered to handle, including ones which were before we got them, and all are expected for the bosses 10 y/o daughter and horse-novice son to be able to handle whenever, without supervision and be subjected to hours of grooming or lunging by them also. They're not all plods either, most are 17+ hunters. The daughter even rides our big 17.3 grey fella.
Which all are trustworthy enough to do without ever once have a touch of 'parelli' in their lives.

Maybe just a case of 'if it's not broke,don't try and fix it'.
 
rema said:
I have to say that i'm somewhat of a parelli expert as some of the older forum members will know.And i often play eight games with my horses..i do not use the conventional 'kit' but i use a gym ball from argos,a bamboo cane with string and tarpauling from b&q.

I do play the normal seven games but have also used my own games aswell.i cannot recomend tail pulling enough.if you have horses with trust issues it can really help them.if you stand behind your horse in a school and gently yank the tail untill the horse reverses towards you,once the horses have got the hang of it you can 'pull' them around the school several times.My horses love this game and the bond between him and me is amazing.

Alot of people diss parelli because they are not experianced enough to know when the horse is respecting and giving to you.They take there horse into the school and try a game but when the horse does not react the way you think it should they bad mouth parelli.It can takes months to get the horse to be at one with you it wont happen overnight.So dont give up.
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Has anyone got any cleaning tips to get Ribena off a computer screen? It's gone down the keys too eurghhhh! :D
 
rema said:
I have to say that i'm somewhat of a parelli expert as some of the older forum members will know.And i often play eight games with my horses..i do not use the conventional 'kit' but i use a gym ball from argos,a bamboo cane with string and tarpauling from b&q.

I do play the normal seven games but have also used my own games aswell.i cannot recomend tail pulling enough.if you have horses with trust issues it can really help them.if you stand behind your horse in a school and gently yank the tail untill the horse reverses towards you,once the horses have got the hang of it you can 'pull' them around the school several times.My horses love this game and the bond between him and me is amazing.

Alot of people diss parelli because they are not experianced enough to know when the horse is respecting and giving to you.They take there horse into the school and try a game but when the horse does not react the way you think it should they bad mouth parelli.It can takes months to get the horse to be at one with you it wont happen overnight.So dont give up.
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I'm not sure recommending standing behind a horse and pulling it's tail is the best advice I've heard. What if the horse takes a dislike to the tail pulling and double barrels you!? Surely this is not a good idea until the trust is already there, in bucket loads. Also why do you want to pull your horse round the school by it's tail? Genuine question :)
 
firstly i must apologise but my caps button is not working properly.

You need the horse to respect and trust you in any situation.out hacking and there is a scarey monster in the bushes you need the horse to trust you enough to walk past the monster because you have asked him to.that is what tail pulling does,it makes the horse trust you 100%.if the horse will happily reverse around a school by being gently pulled by the tail then the trust is totally there.

if your horse will double barrel you then you do need to go back to very basic parelli and play the seven games before you are both ready to try tail pulling.the trust is very obviously not there.
 
Hmm. I'm dumbfounded then, as to when on earth, you would ever need to pull your horse round by it's tail?

Maybe it's for when you're entered to compete and you've had so much time perfecting your Parelli, your horses brain has forgotten common sense things like dressage or jumping...so you can drag it out the arena perhaps?

Spinning off from that.
Unloading would be easy!
Though the initial loading could be an issue.... would you then pull it by the forlock to load??

;)

Sorry, I'm not closed-minded...I just really don't see the point. Fair does, if it works for you...but for me, I can honestly say it would have no part in any of our horses schedules really.
 
Actually the tail pulling thing is an old horseman's trick, I use it myself to catch mine from the field.

As they gallop past, you grab the tail and then walk them up to the yard, I can bring four in like that :)
 
SirenaXVI said:
Actually the tail pulling thing is an old horseman's trick, I use it myself to catch mine from the field.

As they gallop past, you grab the tail and then walk them up to the yard, I can bring four in like that :)
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What backwards :eek: Or am I imagining it all wrong :D
 
Ok, am now crying with laughter. Really some of you guys should be writing comedy!!! Have never taken alot of notice of Parelli, except being vaguely astonished that anyone should think being able ride without tack was useful apart from saving on the cleaning. I hadn't come across the stick thing or the fit ball, what this about games? How do you know if your horse likes ball games, they might be more of chess player?

Anyway, must admit can't see much point to it but I guess it keeps people happy. Having said that the woman on that video is a disgrace to any form of horsemanship.
 
My horse adores the ball.I swear he has more ball control than the england football team.I usually stand back and throw the ball at my horse and he will header it into our little goal.
 
rema said:
i dont travel my horses,we will just hack 20 or so miles to a show..It's un-natural for horses to be enclosed in a box.
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yes i completely agree... I keep mine in a cage.

is that a horsebox I see on your banner thingy?
 
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