Floretta90
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Is Racing detrimental to the horse's welfare?
Yes or no answers please.
And where you are from if possible!
Yes or no answers please.
And where you are from if possible!
Is Racing detrimental to the horse's welfare?
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cptrayes
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Manchester area.
Detrimental to the feet shoe at 18 months old.
Detrimental to the mind and body to ride at 18-24 months old.
Detrimental to lifespan to race at 24 months old (shortens lifespan massively compared to non raced horses).
Detrimental to being alive for a chaser to break its leg or neck or rupture a tendon.
Detrimental to the mind to stable 24/7 apart from when exercised - ex racers I have bought took 3-4 months to behave like a normal 3 or 4 year old.
Detrimental to the stomach to feed high carb diet (most race horses have ulcers).
Should racing be banned? Not that simple a question. Thousands of people would be out of work. Hundreds of thousands of horses would never get the chance of living at all. There would be an enormous drop in UK tax take and we would all have to make that up somehow.
Detrimental to the feet shoe at 18 months old.
Detrimental to the mind and body to ride at 18-24 months old.
Detrimental to lifespan to race at 24 months old (shortens lifespan massively compared to non raced horses).
Detrimental to being alive for a chaser to break its leg or neck or rupture a tendon.
Detrimental to the mind to stable 24/7 apart from when exercised - ex racers I have bought took 3-4 months to behave like a normal 3 or 4 year old.
Detrimental to the stomach to feed high carb diet (most race horses have ulcers).
Should racing be banned? Not that simple a question. Thousands of people would be out of work. Hundreds of thousands of horses would never get the chance of living at all. There would be an enormous drop in UK tax take and we would all have to make that up somehow.
popsdosh
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I think the post above takes a rather simplistic and blinkered view.
Racehorses in general are well looked after, they tend to become an issue when their racing days are over.At least they are bred with a purpose in mind unlike a lot of the dross at the lower end of the pleasure market that are bred because people dont know what else to do with their unrideable mare.
Racehorses in general are well looked after, they tend to become an issue when their racing days are over.At least they are bred with a purpose in mind unlike a lot of the dross at the lower end of the pleasure market that are bred because people dont know what else to do with their unrideable mare.
Floretta90
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I agree with what you are saying, that they are bred with a purpose. It is a simple question so how can it have a simplistic/blinkered view?
rhino
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It's a simple question but as horses weren't 'designed' for riding, it will always be detrimental in some way. Racing is detrimental. Eventing is detrimental. Hacking is detrimental...
PS This is the 3rd (at least) of these exact threads we have had in the last couple of weeks, great that you are seeking opinions for college work but I wouldn't expect a great response; one of the previous posters was rather 'blinkered' in her own views which I think will put quite a few people off answering. http://www.horseandhound.co.uk/forums/showthread.php?t=495342&highlight=detrimental
Good luck with your research
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cptrayes
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Racehorses are cossetted and mollycoddled to keep them healthy to run fast, yes. Very few, if any, stables give a damn about;
a) their mental health -witness all the weavers and head nodders in racing stables.
b) their physical health (eg ulcers, poor foot quality) if it does not stop them running fast
c) their long term health. Racing early shortens their working lifespan, which normally also shortens their actual lifespan.
It is not, in my book, being "well looked after" for a horse to only ever be out of its box to race, be exercised or go on the horse-walker. Never to be free to move as it wishes in an area larger than 12 feet by 12 feet, 15 if it's lucky. Never to have a mutual scratch with another horse.
Simplistic? Certainly not. How can you call my last paragraph simplistic?
Blinkered? No way. How many ex flat racers have you personally bought and turned into general riding club animals? If you have ever taken a horse straight out of training and given it the life that a normal riding club horse is usually given, you would see for yourself that it takes these horses several months to develop their natural character after a life of being managed on a production line designed to win races.
I don't disagree with racing, but I do disagree with the blinkers being anywhere other than on the horse.
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PooJay
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The only problem with Ex-racers are idiots who take them on. They don't understand them. They don't give them a chace to settle and adjust to their new life. These horses have been highly trained for a very specific career and to expect them to turn into "normal" horses over night is just plain ridiculous! You say racehorses are kept confined and only allowed out to work. Yes in some yards - mostly in Middleham and Newmarket. It is also not always possible to turn colts out because they are just that - colts! During their racing careers they MUST NOT know they are entire and what their capabilities are, they MUST behave. You can't have a badly behaved colt out on the string because he will set all the other colts off and mayhem would ensue.
A lot of yards are now seeing the benefits of turning their horses out. THe old fashioned methods of keeping them all in are slowly dying out where possible. How do you expect a horse to perform to it's best if it's gone in the head? Training is evolving and it is all for the better. Each horse is trained for it's job. Their work is tuned to them, their feeding regime is tailored to their high energy workload. How could you expect your horse to win the Derby or the Grand National if you just worked it and fed it and other wise ignore it? The people behind the scenes - the stable staff - love these horses with all their hearts. They get the attention they need and deserve. They get the care and respect they command. Every small nick, every cough or lame step is noted down and looked into. If a horse works badly 2 or 3 days in a row then it is thoroughly investigated. Why would you not? These horses pay the wages - they get looked after like Kings and Queens.
No it's not ideal for such young horses to be ridden and worked BUT they are worked to their abilities. If the horse isn't coping with the work then they will be backed off and left to grow and strengthen. It's no mean feat to get a 2yo ready to race. It is all done properly. All the walking and build up work is done because there really is no other way to get the best out of these horses.
"Detrimental to being alive for a chaser to break its leg or neck or rupture a tendon."
Any horse could do this! My horse chased for 8 years, became a show horse when he retired and then blew a tendon 2 years later. NOTHING to do with racing! It also wasn't an old racing strain before you ask, he kicked into himself playing with my dartmoor in the field. Anything can happen to ANY horse at ANY time! Not just in racing!
Is Racing detrimental to the horse's welfare?
There is no right or wrong answer to this because everyone has different views on such things. To me - no it's not. It is the job they are bred for. Bloodlines have been refined and researched to try and get the perfect racehorse. You don't just cross anything with anything - sprinters go to sprinter in the effort to create a Super Sprinter, stayers go to stayers to produce good Distance horses. You cross them over to try to inject some speed into the staying power and the lines will have been meticulously looked into to see which stallion to put to the mare. Dressage and Show Jumping are refining their lines because they have some exceptionally talented horses and they are trying to breed talent. I digress, bloodstock is a kind of hobby of mine.
Racing is no more detrimental to a horse than specialised dressage training - how many world class dressage horses get to do anything other than go round in circles with their heads pinned in - look where Rollkur evolved from. Show Jumpers are trained for that job - major users of draw reins. Do they ever see fields? Each and every one of these horses could slip and do it's self damage walking down a lorry ramp let alone doing it's job.
No racing would be very detrimental to the welfare of every single horse in this country. Where do you think most of the funding and new treatments that are developed come from? Yup! The Racing Industry!
A horse could do A LOT worse than living the racing lifestyle.
A lot of yards are now seeing the benefits of turning their horses out. THe old fashioned methods of keeping them all in are slowly dying out where possible. How do you expect a horse to perform to it's best if it's gone in the head? Training is evolving and it is all for the better. Each horse is trained for it's job. Their work is tuned to them, their feeding regime is tailored to their high energy workload. How could you expect your horse to win the Derby or the Grand National if you just worked it and fed it and other wise ignore it? The people behind the scenes - the stable staff - love these horses with all their hearts. They get the attention they need and deserve. They get the care and respect they command. Every small nick, every cough or lame step is noted down and looked into. If a horse works badly 2 or 3 days in a row then it is thoroughly investigated. Why would you not? These horses pay the wages - they get looked after like Kings and Queens.
No it's not ideal for such young horses to be ridden and worked BUT they are worked to their abilities. If the horse isn't coping with the work then they will be backed off and left to grow and strengthen. It's no mean feat to get a 2yo ready to race. It is all done properly. All the walking and build up work is done because there really is no other way to get the best out of these horses.
"Detrimental to being alive for a chaser to break its leg or neck or rupture a tendon."
Any horse could do this! My horse chased for 8 years, became a show horse when he retired and then blew a tendon 2 years later. NOTHING to do with racing! It also wasn't an old racing strain before you ask, he kicked into himself playing with my dartmoor in the field. Anything can happen to ANY horse at ANY time! Not just in racing!
Is Racing detrimental to the horse's welfare?
There is no right or wrong answer to this because everyone has different views on such things. To me - no it's not. It is the job they are bred for. Bloodlines have been refined and researched to try and get the perfect racehorse. You don't just cross anything with anything - sprinters go to sprinter in the effort to create a Super Sprinter, stayers go to stayers to produce good Distance horses. You cross them over to try to inject some speed into the staying power and the lines will have been meticulously looked into to see which stallion to put to the mare. Dressage and Show Jumping are refining their lines because they have some exceptionally talented horses and they are trying to breed talent. I digress, bloodstock is a kind of hobby of mine.
Racing is no more detrimental to a horse than specialised dressage training - how many world class dressage horses get to do anything other than go round in circles with their heads pinned in - look where Rollkur evolved from. Show Jumpers are trained for that job - major users of draw reins. Do they ever see fields? Each and every one of these horses could slip and do it's self damage walking down a lorry ramp let alone doing it's job.
No racing would be very detrimental to the welfare of every single horse in this country. Where do you think most of the funding and new treatments that are developed come from? Yup! The Racing Industry!
A horse could do A LOT worse than living the racing lifestyle.
popsdosh
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Sorry I was not talking about your Question.
I have issues with racing being singled out as being detrimental to horses welfare .
In dressage horses sustain injuries in the same proportion to racing however this is not so open to public scrutiny .As to the turning out etc I can take you to dressage yards on the continent were the horses feet will never even touch grass beyond the age of three until the day they retire.
People always assume that if the horses are not kept to your liking it is wrong.
Could the people who assume that racehorses have a shorter natural life please show me the research that proves this ,I personally know several ex racers well into their 30s.
friesian80
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The majority of horses bred to race will not even make it to the race track but end up in a slaughterhouse instead, they are broken in far too young meaning fatal injuries occur far more often than in other disciplines of equine sports.
Because of the physical and metal stress the horses experience in racing a 'normal' life after racing is commonly impossible.
Can you tell im not a fan???
Because of the physical and metal stress the horses experience in racing a 'normal' life after racing is commonly impossible.
Can you tell im not a fan???
Lolo
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Yes, but unfairly.
Horses who don't make the grade will either be sent on to try and become normal citizens. If that still fails, then I think there are far worse things to happen for a horse than being shot.
In our experience, with the stressiest horse around, he's a superb 'normal' horse. He is truly fantastic, is now chilled and generally brilliant.
The 'impossibility' of a horse not being retrained is generally due to the numpties trying to retrain them...
friesian80
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This is not always the case and the majority will be sent straight to slaughter, ok a few may get lucky to go on and lead some sort of life (or unlucky) but for the greater percentage, they are born to be killed at an early age.
I will agree there are a fair few people who will take on an exracer who dont have the first clue on how to retrain, but even in the hands of an experienced horse person many have reached the point of no return as a 'normal' horse.
Yes you get ex racers who go on to have a 'nice' life but again this is only a very small percentage of them.
If you actually knew the stats of how many this is Im guessing you would be quite horrified, some of Britians best kept dirty secrets are within the racing industry, but hey ho it creates jobs, keeps taxes down and enables the TB to be bred in the UK so why complain.......
I will agree there are a fair few people who will take on an exracer who dont have the first clue on how to retrain, but even in the hands of an experienced horse person many have reached the point of no return as a 'normal' horse.
Yes you get ex racers who go on to have a 'nice' life but again this is only a very small percentage of them.
If you actually knew the stats of how many this is Im guessing you would be quite horrified, some of Britians best kept dirty secrets are within the racing industry, but hey ho it creates jobs, keeps taxes down and enables the TB to be bred in the UK so why complain.......
Lolo
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But isn't it amazing that people who do have rehabbed ex-racers who are not only leading happy lives but very productive ones seem to be in such a large majority on here?
Please could I see these stats from independent research carried out by an organisation which isn't PETA? I'm intrigued now.
Please could I see these stats from independent research carried out by an organisation which isn't PETA? I'm intrigued now.
friesian80
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I wouldnt know about the owners on here who have ex racers, I dont follow the main board much.
I do personally know ppl who have or do own ex racers and some of those horses are the sweetest natured equines Ive met, so willing to please and bring lots of joy to their owners (most have to be kept out the sight of a race track though as the sight blows their brains!)
The stats are not easy to come by, there arnt many independant research companies who have looked closely into it, however I have over the years managed to gather a lot of inside information from the racing indsustry in regards to surplus breeding programs and numbers of slaughter horses sent from racing.
Just because there may be many happy ex racer owners on this forum does that mean most ex racers have a happy ending?
I do personally know ppl who have or do own ex racers and some of those horses are the sweetest natured equines Ive met, so willing to please and bring lots of joy to their owners (most have to be kept out the sight of a race track though as the sight blows their brains!)
The stats are not easy to come by, there arnt many independant research companies who have looked closely into it, however I have over the years managed to gather a lot of inside information from the racing indsustry in regards to surplus breeding programs and numbers of slaughter horses sent from racing.
Just because there may be many happy ex racer owners on this forum does that mean most ex racers have a happy ending?
popsdosh
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I too would like to see these Stats!
This makes it slightly off topic but to be blunt the abattoirs of Britain are full of unwanted riding horses at the moment of all breeds and disciplines at least the racing industry as a whole take some responsibility for the horses that dont make it .Sometimes that responsibility includes deciding an animal has to be culled .I am afraid the general riding public and the bunny huggers pass this responsibility over to dealers happy in the knowledge they didnt pull the trigger but they can sleep at night.
Lolo
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This.
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Racing is actually VERY wide open to the general public. Ask the BHA a question and they will do their damnedest to answer it to the full for you. Racing is VERY well regulated, how many other sports routinely drugs test horses? How many regulate their riders? How many so called professionals have actually had to go through courses and exams to be allowed anywhere near the horses? NONE! Racehorse trainers have to go through all their NVQ levels these days, show their experience and pass exams. Licences are renewed every year and the BHA holds the right not to accept an application if it isn't up o scratch. The horses living conditions are regulated. The jockeys have to go through a 9 week course before 3 days of riding exams before they are allowed on the track. Any old Tom, Dick or Harry could get on a horse and thump it round a show jumping course or bounce around like a sack of spuds in a dressage test. Jeezo! There are even regulations on what whips you can use!
I know I would much rather live the life of a racehorse under professional care than that of a horse bought by someone who just felt like buying one even though they have no clue what they are doing!
friesian80
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Totally agree that the slaughterhouses are also filled with riding ponies and of course from overbreeding in other equine area's. However this thread is about the racing industry and that is why I have singled out this topic. Yes the racing ind. does take responsibility for some of the stock it breeds who dont make it on the race track but its such a small percentage. Racing is a wealthy industry and I personally think they should be made to take more of an interest in the horses who are turfed out the sport, perhaps if that was to happen they would be a bit more careful in the numbers they breed in the first place. Or there should be restrictions put on how many are allowed to be bred each year but as it stands now they can produce as many foals as they like and 'dispose' of them in any manner they see fit.
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There are restrictions in place to limit the number of TB's bred to an extent. Racehorses have to have been covered naturally - no AI or the likes.
cptrayes
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Name me the racing yards where racehorses are turned out with shoes on, in a group, for six or more hours per day, seven days a week, 52 weeks a year.
So geld them then, and give them a better quality of life. They are kept the way they are because they may, in the future, be worth a lot of money as breeding stallions. They are not kept that way because they are colts, per se, they are kept that way to safeguard their potential future value, otherwise they would be gelded because geldings are easier to look after.
There are world class showjumpers, eventers, dressage horses and show horses which do stud duties and their sport.
They get looked after like the money-making machines they are. (not necessarily as winners themselves, but as source material for the betting industry.)
It is NOT being treated like a King and Queen to be constantly poked with needles for blood tests, kept without being able to mutually groom, fed a diet so high in carbs to give them enough energy to run that it also gives them ulcers, shod when your feet are nowhere near fully mature, raced when your growth plates are not sealed, etc etc etc etc.
It is done purely to get the earliest possible return in the investment of breeding the animal. None of it is done for the welfare of the horse.
Oh please, don't treat me like an idiot
Check the stats. Yes any horse could do it. But the likelihood of a chaser doing it is an order of magnitude higher than an eventer doing it, which is an order of magnitude higher than a Riding Club horse doing it. I once read a statistic that one in four national Hunt horses will finish the season unable ever to run again, either dead or broken down. No-one would accept that statistic for ordinary riding horses.I agree. I had an argument on another thread yesterday about how top dressage horses are treated.
Two wrongs do not make a right.
Please let me repeat, I have no major problem with the racing industry and I do not want it stopped. What I do want is for people involved in it to stop trying to kid the rest of us into believing that what they do is actually in the welfare interests of the individual horse in training.
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cptrayes
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I am trying to google up the answer to the question "what percentage of National Hunt runners in any one year a) die on the course b) are put down shortly after running c) die in training d) are put down in training due to injury e) are retired to stud or as a paddock ornament too injured to work again f) are destroyed when healthy for economic reasons?
Can you help me, I cannot get anywhere near those figures and neither, it seems, can anyone else?
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Name me the racing yards where racehorses are turned out with shoes on, in a group, for six or more hours per day, seven days a week, 52 weeks a year.
Most turn out every other day in groups of 2-4 horses with shoes on for 2-3 hours a day when weather permits. These are thin skinned, and in winter clipped out, horses. Most National Hunt horses on their summer holidays get turned out in large groups 24/7. No not every yard does this and other may turn out more of less but that is the average that I have come across.
So geld them then, and give them a better quality of life. They are kept the way they are because they may, in the future, be worth a lot of money as breeding stallions. They are not kept that way because they are colts, per se, they are kept that way to safeguard their potential future value, otherwise they would be gelded because geldings are easier to look after.
Colts tend to perform better than geldings. Most colts that find it difficult to focus on their jobs and aren't going to be of any value at stud will be gelded to prolong it's racing career. Very few colts go jumping because they are too protective of their manhood and become too careful over their jumps thus lose speed so they are gelded. There are exceptions to every rule.
There are world class showjumpers, eventers, dressage horses and show horses which do stud duties and their sport.
A racehorses career rests on it's focus. Covering mares takes more out of them than people realise plus it really does screwball with brains. The Sires of teh future rarely race on after 5yo's because they have nothing left to prove on the track. Show Jumpers et al don't really get seen or known for their talents until they are 6-9years old and are thus more settled into their jobs before the true demands of stud are placed upon them. They also still have a lot to prove. A race record lasts a lifetime. A dressage, show jumping, eventing etc. record last 3-4years before people start looking for new blood.
They get looked after like the money-making machines they are. (not necessarily as winners themselves, but as source material for the betting industry.)
Try telling the stable staff that
It is NOT being treated like a King and Queen to be constantly poked with needles for blood tests, kept without being able to mutually groom, fed a diet so high in carbs to give them enough energy to run that it also gives them ulcers, shod when your feet are nowhere near fully mature, raced when your growth plates are not sealed, etc etc etc etc.
Yes some yards do weekly or monthly blood tests but generally most of these horses only see needles for vaccinations, dope testing or sedation. It's rarely constant. I have 4 ex-racers here at home and I have seen them mutual groom 2 or 3 times in 3 years so not every horse wishes to groom another. As to the high energy diets - you can't expect them to perform on pasture mix can you? Yes it does cause ulcers but that is more down to the strict regimes of when they are fed. Again, mostly National Hunt Trainers, are seeing the value in having ad-lib forage for the horses in their stables to try to combat this. I don't agree with racing 2yo's. I never have BUT I would rather see these 2yo's under professional care that see the attempts some people make on backing 2yo's and even older and making a hash of it.
It is done purely to get the earliest possible return in the investment of breeding the animal. None of it is done for the welfare of the horse.
Oh please, don't treat me like an idiot
If one in four National Hunt horses finish the season and never race again then we would be constantly racing 4-6yos. The majority of NH Horses are 7-9yo's before they fully blossom. Many finish their careers as 10-12yo's. It would be a very, very sorry state of racing if we lost 1 in 4 a year!
I agree. I had an argument on another thread yesterday about how top dressage horses are treated.
Two wrongs do not make a right.
Please let me repeat, I have no major problem with the racing industry and I do not want it stopped. What I do want is for people involved in it to stop trying to kid the rest of us into believing that what they do is actually in the welfare interests of the individual horse in training.
As to finding the stats - email the BHA or ring them. They will give you them.
dominobrown
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The ignorance in this thread is making me sooooo angry!
p.s cptrayes- I can name 2 racing yards near me alone, where the horse's live out 24/7 in herds. One yard only shoes in front. All the horses quite good feet.
I am so angry at yours and other ignornace making sweeping generalisations and accusations about racing without knowing the facts. Some posts are offensive to those who devote their lives to the horses, those who love and care for them. Not only do some posts show lack of knowledge on the subject, but an ignorant closed minded view is actually offending me
And breath.... few...
Yes the industy is not perfect, and welfare could ALWAYS be improved. We should be working towards it all the time, in all horse sports, but some consideration and knowledge helps
p.s cptrayes- I can name 2 racing yards near me alone, where the horse's live out 24/7 in herds. One yard only shoes in front. All the horses quite good feet.
I am so angry at yours and other ignornace making sweeping generalisations and accusations about racing without knowing the facts. Some posts are offensive to those who devote their lives to the horses, those who love and care for them. Not only do some posts show lack of knowledge on the subject, but an ignorant closed minded view is actually offending me
And breath.... few...
Yes the industy is not perfect, and welfare could ALWAYS be improved. We should be working towards it all the time, in all horse sports, but some consideration and knowledge helps
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Floretta90
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I appreciate everything that you are saying! But I am on about during racing, and behind the public eye of racing.
Yes you are right in what you are saying, a few of them that are bred for racing actually make it to the track, and they are broken in at a early age which affects their growth and can cause injuries, but so many horses die whilst on the track! So how can people say that it is not harmful to the horse? Of course it is, fatal accidents occur on the racing track! Horse's are bred to race, and very few of them are actually raced. But they get do not live a proper life, they are never turned out, fed all sorts, some of them are given drugs, owners probably do not have the right amount of patience with them, and if they are that unlucky to die on the track, the owner is already thinking about the next race horse he/she's gonna get whilst sorting out the horse that's just died! It's all about the money, and thousands of horses are dying because they do not have a choice!
Yes you are right in what you are saying, a few of them that are bred for racing actually make it to the track, and they are broken in at a early age which affects their growth and can cause injuries, but so many horses die whilst on the track! So how can people say that it is not harmful to the horse? Of course it is, fatal accidents occur on the racing track! Horse's are bred to race, and very few of them are actually raced. But they get do not live a proper life, they are never turned out, fed all sorts, some of them are given drugs, owners probably do not have the right amount of patience with them, and if they are that unlucky to die on the track, the owner is already thinking about the next race horse he/she's gonna get whilst sorting out the horse that's just died! It's all about the money, and thousands of horses are dying because they do not have a choice!
Floretta90
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Right, but that's one yard out of how many?The ignorance in this thread is making me sooooo angry!
p.s cptrayes- I can name 2 racing yards near me alone, where the horse's live out 24/7 in herds. One yard only shoes in front. All the horses quite good feet.
I am so angry at yours and other ignornace making sweeping generalisations and accusations about racing without knowing the facts. Some posts are offensive to those who devote their lives to the horses, those who love and care for them. Not only do some posts show lack of knowledge on the subject, but an ignorant closed minded view is actually offending me
And breath.... few...
Yes the industy is not perfect, and welfare could ALWAYS be improved. We should be working towards it all the time, in all horse sports, but some consideration and knowledge helps
dominobrown
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You are so wrong, can re-phrase this paragraph as SOME but racehorses ARE turned out on some yards (actually quite a few), fed on a very speacial diet, which is improving due to scientific reasearch into gastric ulcers, they will get a more monitered diet than most horses, and the thing about owners??? Rubbish, yes some owners are like that, not all. I know owners who keep all their retired and injured racehorse at their house in a 20 acre field. Another owner hunted her racehorse until it was 22, and it is still alive. Drugs testing is very common in racing, yes I suppose there some people will break the rules
lets hope they caught. Most don't.Yes it is a dangerous sport, so is eventing etc
These yards I have helped on, or where my friends work. Out of all the yards I have visited there is only one I wouldn't send a horse to.
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Please do go to the races and look around a racing yard because it will be one heck of an eye opener for you!
friesian80
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When horses get to a certain level of pain adhrenaline kicks in and they feel nothing. When racing they are already full of adhrenaline so again, they feel nothing.
This has to be the quote of the day, ive never heard such a load of bull**** in a long time!!!!
Yes they feel nothing as their leg snaps in half
This has to be the quote of the day, ive never heard such a load of bull**** in a long time!!!!
Yes they feel nothing as their leg snaps in half
Elf On A Shelf
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When horses get to a certain level of pain adhrenaline kicks in and they feel nothing. When racing they are already full of adhrenaline so again, they feel nothing.
This has to be the quote of the day, ive never heard such a load of bull**** in a long time!!!!
Yes they feel nothing as their leg snaps in half
Honestly they don't! HOw do you think they keep galloping along with 3 legs that work and the fourth one flailing around, they get confused but they don't feel it! And if they are that seriously injured then they are PTS before they can calm down and feel anything again.
Lolo
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When horses get to a certain level of pain adhrenaline kicks in and they feel nothing. When racing they are already full of adhrenaline so again, they feel nothing.
This has to be the quote of the day, ive never heard such a load of bull**** in a long time!!!!
Yes they feel nothing as their leg snaps in half
Just going to pick up on that, as I do know enough to say fairly confidently that actually a horse's body is very effective at 'blocking' pain such as that of a broken limb. Equally, if their leg goes they do have almost instantaneous vet access, and will be put put of any pain straight away.
Things like colic cause a horse far more pain.