Is this unreasonable?

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Someone brings your horse in in the pm, because they took it upon themselves to do that. They expect you to bring their horse in pm if you get there first.
They've been told not to bother bringing your horse in, as it's fine out by itself, but they want their horse bought in if yours comes in.

Other horse is bargey, massive and difficult to lead with your horse.

Is it unreasonable to expect you to bring in when you never asked or wanted them to bring your horse in?
 
most yards have a 'don't leave a horse by itself in the field' understanding.

if it's an issue i'd take it up with yo. it would annoy me having to bring in a bargey horse that wasn;t mind. can yo rejig fields so set up is different and horse isn't out by itself?
 
paddi22 said:
most yards have a 'don't leave a horse by itself in the field' understanding.

if it's an issue i'd take it up with yo. it would annoy me having to bring in a bargey horse that wasn;t mind. can yo rejig fields so set up is different and horse isn't out by itself?
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This.

Speak to YO as it could be the rule that no horse is left alone.
 
Lots will say No not unreasonable because of the "horror" that is one horse out alone :rolleyes3: but I wouldn't do it. I'm not interested in handling others horses, particularly rude bargey ones. Also I won't lead two together so it means an extra trip upto the field if I bring in somebody else's, which I don't really have time for. I'd only bring in someone else's if I found an injured or sick looking horse, then I'd bring it in and text the owner or YO. I'd actually be cross about someone taking it upon themself to bring in my horse TBH. I'd be polite about it but tell them most definitely not to. If they're brought in early they walk round in circles searching for hay in the bed and kick the poo everywhere, making it twice as hard to muck out and kicking over the barrow because they're tied outside the stable whilst I do it.
 
paddi22 said:
most yards have a 'don't leave a horse by itself in the field' understanding.

if it's an issue i'd take it up with yo. it would annoy me having to bring in a bargey horse that wasn;t mind. can yo rejig fields so set up is different and horse isn't out by itself?
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^^This I think

I've been in your situation before and the other horse was also tricky - flybucked and bit me when I was leading it. Really irritating.
However, one of mine is one of those horses that can't be left out on her own, so I do have a bit of sympathy with the owner, though it sounds like they could have gone about this a different way ;) and it's always better to train your horse so that it's easy to do if other people have to help you out :)

I'd be annoyed that there had been no discussion or prior agreement beforehand. I'd have a chat with other owner and YO to see if you can work out a resolution that works for everyone.
 
ester said:
If she can't be there when the last horse comes in she needs to arrange to pay someone who can.
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This. If your not comfortable handling the horse it's not fair to expect you to.

One of mine normally looks like a plod but is a bit bargey at times so I really don't want nervous people handling him in case he learns he can get away with things.
 
Vodkagirly said:
This. If your not comfortable handling the horse it's not fair to expect you to.

One of mine normally looks like a plod but is a bit bargey at times so I really don't want nervous people handling him in case he learns he can get away with things.
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Not really uncomfortable, just don't want to :') Why would I want to deal with someone else's bad mannered horse when I do my best to make sure mine is always well mannered?
 
I hate leading horses that act like douchebags and try to trample me so there is no way i would do this. If i had a horse that was a problem child and couldnt be out by itself i would consider it my problem and take steps to resolve it myself get a companion, put it next to a horse that lives out etc i know some yards have this rule about not leaving one out alone but if you know your horse has this issue i think its unfair to put it on other people who might be busy doing their own horse,going to work etc.Its really not their problem to deal with. Its not unreasonable its realistic.
 
More to the point as owner is leading the rude and bargey horse what is happening to your horse at this point? Is s/he being dragged about and bumped in to or does the person make two journeys? (which is mad for a horse that doesn't need to be brought in).
 
On the odd occasion I'd do it as a goodwill gesture.

Regularly - stuff it, I'm not someone's free groom. I'd tell them no and if they have a problem with getting up to do their horse then they need to make arrangements to pay someone.
 
It is not your responsibility to bring in a horse that is not yours, especially if it's one which is likely to cause injury to you or your horse. It would be kind of you to do it, but it's definitely not unreasonable to say no.

If the other horse's owner cannot bring her horse in at a time which is appropriate for her horse's well being (since it can't be left alone) then she should employ someone to bring it in so it is not the last one in the field.
 
ihatework said:
On the odd occasion I'd do it as a goodwill gesture.

Regularly - stuff it, I'm not someone's free groom. I'd tell them no and if they have a problem with getting up to do their horse then they need to make arrangements to pay someone.
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I think this is fair .
Now and again no prob but being some else's permanent free catch up service , no.
I would talk to the YOer and to the owner ASAP.
 
Thanks everyone, figured as much, though thought I might not be being sympathetic to their issue since my horse is fine whereever I put him :')
Just abit awkward when everyone's friends and you don't want to rock the boat!
 
They are unreasonable for sure. Doing something you don't want them to, and expecting you to do something you don't want to in return(!).

I always wonder when people with horses that are difficult on the ground want others to handle them for them. What if something happens?

Maybe the horse in question should be turned out in a different setup so it doesn't have to affect other liveries.
 
/i would be really annoyed if someone brought me horse in when I told them to leave him out! and again I wouldn't want lead in someone elses horse if it was rude. My horse can actually be a pig on a certain spot, he knocked me over yesterday and then fell over himself coz he was being a tw at, I told the ym that I would take a late lunch at work today so I could help her bring in, becuase I don't want him doing the same to her!! he's normally fine but some times he can be a total di ck, so there is no way I'd expet someone else to have to deal with that! so I can see why you don't want to lead two in if one is rude to lead!
 
Is there not a member of staff that can bring the horse in if they can't be there, it's not down to other liveries to have to bring it in every day and I would not be happy if someone kept bringing my horse in early just for there own convenience.
 
Years ago I had a mare on loan who was perfectly behaved with myself but an utter cow with the teenagers who wanted to get their ponies in after school. Ended up having to have her in her own field so yes, if you have a difficult horse, you have to think of the other people sharing your field. Talk to your YO
 
If you work such long hours that you can never get to your yard in time to bring your own horse in then you can't be on DIY can you !!
That's what full and assisted livery are for.
People really annoy me trying to do it on the cheap by expecting other customers to give them free assisted livery
 
not unreasonable-i wouldnt have the time or inclination to handle someone elses ******** horse!

Goof can be hot to lead and i wouldnt expect others to do it, i would agree to pay the YO/competent staff member to do it.
 
No, she shouldn't expect you to bring hers in and almost more to the point, she shouldn't be handling yours without your express permission!

Sounds like she's trying to create an onus on you (to bring hers in) by bringing yours in. I'd knock it on the head :).
 
No way. I don't want to deal with other people's screw ups in my free time. If her work hours aren't suitable, and her horse isn't OK alone, she needs to pay someone who is willing to do it at a sensible time. Her horse, her problem.

That said, if I were doing something unpredictable (e.g. removing my horse unusually early) I would do it as a one off, if there aren't staff around whose business it would be to deal with it, rather than leave the horse to injure itself.
 
JFTD said:
That said, if I were doing something unpredictable (e.g. removing my horse unusually early) I would do it as a one off, if there aren't staff around whose business it would be to deal with it, rather than leave the horse to injure itself.
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That, basically. I don't mind bringing in other people's horses occasionally especially if circumstances are different to usual. I wouldn't be so impressed about being expected to do so because someone thought they were doing me a favour bringing mine in when I wanted it left out though! Livery yards can be quite difficult in this respect. I do remember once getting a phone call on Christmas day from a girl at my yard to say my mare was out alone and I needed to go up immediately to bring her in. Usual bring in time was about 4pm in winter and it was only 3pm when she rang, so I was in the middle of Christmas dinner at the time. I said she's fine out alone, I'll come up in an hour, to which she replied, no no she's going mental you have to come up NOW. So I said please please could she grab her for me then, to which she said she couldn't possibly, she was going home right that second and couldn't wait. Now my horse is gentle as a lamb to lead, so I wasn't asking her to do something dangerous even if she was very upset and excited, before anyone jumps on me! So I immediately raced up to the yard and guess what I found when I got there? One very happy horse, grazing quiet as a mouse down at the bottom of the field. Not the slightest sign of stress or upset, she didn't seem remotely fussed to be alone. And the girl who'd rung me was still there, sat in her car on the car park! Things are so much easier now - my sister and I have one each and keep them together. Never any bother!
 
Can she pay the YO owner to bring it in for her? On my yard clients are not allowed to handle other clients horses in case of accident plus we have the facility to pay for those kind of services. If a horse is going to be left on its own, the YO gets a call or text so it can be brought in and a charge made.
 
There are so many unruly if not dangerous horses out there I would be very reluctant to bring in a horse that I did not know.
There are also other insurance/liability implications.
Bringing two horses in at the same time is an accident waiting to happen.
The owner should arrange with the yard owner to bring it in early enough each day so that it is not left out by itself.
 
I don't think you're being unreasonable at all, especially when (a) you don't expect (or even want) her to bring yours in, and (b) hers is a pig to lead.

When I first got Jazz I couldn't be there at night to bring him in, so I made arrangements with the YM - I turned her boy out with Jazz in the morning, she brought Jazz in at night.

I think this definitely needs a word with your YO to see if other arrangements can be made.
 
Nope. I'd be annoyed by that- if anyone needs anything bringing in its sorted in advance where I am.

Mine spends about 2 1/2-3 hours on his own in the mornings because I get start work earlier than everyone else, plus he has the Emu in the next field to keep him company :D

Only once has someone brought mine in early for me- and that was because we had unexpected rain shower and his sweet itch rug soaked through making him cold- she even thatched him for me!
 
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